Non Jews and Circumcision - Question

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Anonymous wrote:I have never dated a man who wished he was circumcised, but have dated men who wished that they weren't.

Opposite experience for me.

+1 the uncut man I dated seemed very self-conscious about it, though he had no reason to be.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is OP. I had no idea that people were so passionate about this issue. Since my husband does not want him to have it and my husband isn't, I am going to err on the side of not circumcising him. However, I would like to talk to a doctor about it. A couple of posters have said not to talk to my OB about it - then is there a type of doctor I should talk to about it just to answer any remaining questions I have? Like a urologist?

Jewish physicians are especially adamant about getting this surgery. Non-Jews in Europe don't do this to their baby boys. It's a religious ritual... gone mainstream, but that tradition is breaking... even among some practicing Jews that I know.

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Anonymous wrote:My reasons for circ have nothing to do with looks and everything to do with health and reducing the likelihood of stds per the studies cited already. If you want to believe the research doesn't apply to your son for some reason then fine but stop trying to make it about parents being shallow.

Plenty of people do it for shallow reasons, especially simple men who say "my son's penis should look like mine".

My OB/GYN said, regarding this procedure, that "all men in the house should look the same", but I forgot to scold her for being shallow.

This isn't just shallow. It's idiotic.

21 years ago when we were first making this decision, my husband was shocked to learn that while he's circ'ed, his father isn't. So much for everyone looking the same. Nevermind that the father's junk is mature and looks nothing like the child's, circ'ed or not. When I hear this "logic", I wonder why it doesn't apply to moms and breasts?

Uh, because there is no medical procedure that can make breasts look fundamentally different, and in any event girls don't have breasts until puberty whereas boys always have penises?

And also, opinion of medical professional >>> opinion of random anonymous idiot on the internet

This was not a medical opinion. This was a statement on the values the OBGYN thinks a family should have. Not her business.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is OP. I had no idea that people were so passionate about this issue. Since my husband does not want him to have it and my husband isn't, I am going to err on the side of not circumcising him. However, I would like to talk to a doctor about it. A couple of posters have said not to talk to my OB about it - then is there a type of doctor I should talk to about it just to answer any remaining questions I have? Like a urologist?

Jewish physicians are especially adamant about getting this surgery. Non-Jews in Europe don't do this to their baby boys. It's a religious ritual... gone mainstream, but that tradition is breaking... even among some practicing Jews that I know.

Indeed. Google jews against circumcision

[Anonymous]

Not automatically, but we did as did most of our friends who have boys (I asked around when trying to decide). I believe the AAP has found that the benefits outweigh the risks.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is OP. I had no idea that people were so passionate about this issue. Since my husband does not want him to have it and my husband isn't, I am going to err on the side of not circumcising him. However, I would like to talk to a doctor about it. A couple of posters have said not to talk to my OB about it - then is there a type of doctor I should talk to about it just to answer any remaining questions I have? Like a urologist?

Yes. Urologist.

Of course a urologist will want it. Duh.

I’m not sure what your logic is. If intent leads to all these suppposed complications, maybe it’s more lucrative for the doc to advise against circ. I think this is all cynical speculation. A urologist is the relevant specialist.

OP, you could also try a pediatrician.

[Anonymous]

^^^ meant intact, not intent

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not automatically, but we did as did most of our friends who have boys (I asked around when trying to decide). I believe the AAP has found that the benefits outweigh the risks.

No. They say either is fine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not automatically, but we did as did most of our friends who have boys (I asked around when trying to decide). I believe the AAP has found that the benefits outweigh the risks.

Once again, the AAP does not say this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not automatically, but we did as did most of our friends who have boys (I asked around when trying to decide). I believe the AAP has found that the benefits outweigh the risks.

Curious why European pediatricians frown upon this surgery for non-Jews. In fact, when my friend had her two boys in London, everyone she approached about this, asked why would you do this when you aren't Jewish.

They considered it a ridiculous and unnecessary risk for infection.

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Anonymous wrote:This is OP. I had no idea that people were so passionate about this issue. Since my husband does not want him to have it and my husband isn't, I am going to err on the side of not circumcising him. However, I would like to talk to a doctor about it. A couple of posters have said not to talk to my OB about it - then is there a type of doctor I should talk to about it just to answer any remaining questions I have? Like a urologist?

Yes. Urologist.

Of course a urologist will want it. Duh.

My son had to see a pediatric urologist (Dr. John Gearhart) for a kidney issue. He did not support circumcision when we talked with him and mentioned the botched circs he's had to try to fix.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Not automatically, but we did as did most of our friends who have boys (I asked around when trying to decide). I believe the AAP has found that the benefits outweigh the risks.

Once again, the AAP does not say this.

NP. +1 The current 'official' recommendation is that there is not enough of a reason one way or the other for them to make a recommendation, so they leave it up to the parents to decide.

Everyone should watch some videos of the procedure before you make your decision. And also ask yourself how you'd feel if your boy ended up having complications from the surgery, or later ended up resenting you for doing surgery on his penis at birth. If you'd still feel good about your decision in those cases, then I guess you have it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My reasons for circ have nothing to do with looks and everything to do with health and reducing the likelihood of stds per the studies cited already. If you want to believe the research doesn't apply to your son for some reason then fine but stop trying to make it about parents being shallow.

Plenty of people do it for shallow reasons, especially simple men who say "my son's penis should look like mine".

My OB/GYN said, regarding this procedure, that "all men in the house should look the same", but I forgot to scold her for being shallow.

This isn't just shallow. It's idiotic.

21 years ago when we were first making this decision, my husband was shocked to learn that while he's circ'ed, his father isn't. So much for everyone looking the same. Nevermind that the father's junk is mature and looks nothing like the child's, circ'ed or not. When I hear this "logic", I wonder why it doesn't apply to moms and breasts?

Uh, because there is no medical procedure that can make breasts look fundamentally different, and in any event girls don't have breasts until puberty whereas boys always have penises?

And also, opinion of medical professional >>> opinion of random anonymous idiot on the internet

You're about the only idiot here and no medical professional I've met supports circing, including a renown pediatric urologist.

You make my point, though. Boys do always have penises, but they inherently don't look the same as their fathers' who have gone through puberty, so the idea that all the penises in a family should "look the same" wouldn't even be possible (circed or not) until a child has gone through puberty. By then, the males in a household probably aren't looking at each other's penises anyway.

BTW, there are medical procedures to make breasts look fundamentally different, but it would be utterly ridiculous to suggest that a baby girl get breast implants so she and her mother "look the same."

[Anonymous]

Medical research was updated in 2012. If you don't you are ignorant

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The idea that it's medically beneficial is totally outdated.

Really? It's the opposite. Please provide an aap and cdc updated since 2012. Don't believe Europe we are in USA . Europe has socialized medicine and will cheap out at risk of your health.