Non Jews and Circumcision - Question

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Who cares. Just make the choice to do it or not...and please stop with the baby's feelings argument. A baby that young doesn't remember anything and it's not the most traumatic thing they will go through.

Do it if you want or don't do it. It doesn't matter either way. This is generally an argument that women have...just another way to judge each other.

Thoughtful men discuss it, too. I know because I am one.

Babies have feelings. All sentient being do. Why do something unnecessary that makes them scream?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DH is, but felt very strongly we should not so we didn't.

Yes, studies with little relevance to a western lifestyle show slight - negligible even - pros.

Yes, circumsized boys could make fun of your kid. Or, vice versa.

Yes, one way could become much more prevalent and women could recoil at the less fashionable option: unlikely given the rates are close to 50/50...today's boys' dating partners will see both types of penises.

All of the above points to not circumsizing for us. Religion aside, that is the most sensible, relevant, humane, and REVERSIBLE option where the kid can do it later in life if it's that important. You'll see parents vehemently defend this outdated, unucessary, and brutal procedure because they know they've done something irreversible to their child's body in a very personal way; defending it rabidly prevents them from feeling the guilt that I think they deserve to feel.

Wow, you sound like a great and open-minded person.

Not sure how this opinion defines my character but if feeling strongly that this personal choice is not mine to make (it's my son's) is a flaw, so be it. I think it's the definition of open minded, as in YOU decide what to do with YOUR body. I'm not against circumcision; I'm against making that irreversible decision for a baby for no compelling reason.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My reasons for circ have nothing to do with looks and everything to do with health and reducing the likelihood of stds per the studies cited already. If you want to believe the research doesn't apply to your son for some reason then fine but stop trying to make it about parents being shallow.

Plenty of people do it for shallow reasons, especially simple men who say "my son's penis should look like mine".

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My reasons for circ have nothing to do with looks and everything to do with health and reducing the likelihood of stds per the studies cited already. If you want to believe the research doesn't apply to your son for some reason then fine but stop trying to make it about parents being shallow.

Plenty of people do it for shallow reasons, especially simple men who say "my son's penis should look like mine".

My OB/GYN said, regarding this procedure, that "all men in the house should look the same", but I forgot to scold her for being shallow.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have never dated a man who wished he was circumcised, but have dated men who wished that they weren't.

Opposite experience for me.

I'm not, and have never wished that I was.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My reasons for circ have nothing to do with looks and everything to do with health and reducing the likelihood of stds per the studies cited already. If you want to believe the research doesn't apply to your son for some reason then fine but stop trying to make it about parents being shallow.

Plenty of people do it for shallow reasons, especially simple men who say "my son's penis should look like mine".

My OB/GYN said, regarding this procedure, that "all men in the house should look the same", but I forgot to scold her for being shallow.

Honestly, people should stop asking OBs for advice on this. It’s not an area in which they have any expertise. You might as well ask a podiatrist.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My reasons for circ have nothing to do with looks and everything to do with health and reducing the likelihood of stds per the studies cited already. If you want to believe the research doesn't apply to your son for some reason then fine but stop trying to make it about parents being shallow.

Plenty of people do it for shallow reasons, especially simple men who say "my son's penis should look like mine".

My OB/GYN said, regarding this procedure, that "all men in the house should look the same", but I forgot to scold her for being shallow.

This isn't just shallow. It's idiotic.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My reasons for circ have nothing to do with looks and everything to do with health and reducing the likelihood of stds per the studies cited already. If you want to believe the research doesn't apply to your son for some reason then fine but stop trying to make it about parents being shallow.

Plenty of people do it for shallow reasons, especially simple men who say "my son's penis should look like mine".

My OB/GYN said, regarding this procedure, that "all men in the house should look the same", but I forgot to scold her for being shallow.

Typical ignorance. Sad.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My reasons for circ have nothing to do with looks and everything to do with health and reducing the likelihood of stds per the studies cited already. If you want to believe the research doesn't apply to your son for some reason then fine but stop trying to make it about parents being shallow.

Plenty of people do it for shallow reasons, especially simple men who say "my son's penis should look like mine".

My OB/GYN said, regarding this procedure, that "all men in the house should look the same", but I forgot to scold her for being shallow.

This isn't just shallow. It's idiotic.

21 years ago when we were first making this decision, my husband was shocked to learn that while he's circ'ed, his father isn't. So much for everyone looking the same. Nevermind that the father's junk is mature and looks nothing like the child's, circ'ed or not. When I hear this "logic", I wonder why it doesn't apply to moms and breasts?

[Anonymous]

This is OP. I had no idea that people were so passionate about this issue. Since my husband does not want him to have it and my husband isn't, I am going to err on the side of not circumcising him. However, I would like to talk to a doctor about it. A couple of posters have said not to talk to my OB about it - then is there a type of doctor I should talk to about it just to answer any remaining questions I have? Like a urologist?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is OP. I had no idea that people were so passionate about this issue. Since my husband does not want him to have it and my husband isn't, I am going to err on the side of not circumcising him. However, I would like to talk to a doctor about it. A couple of posters have said not to talk to my OB about it - then is there a type of doctor I should talk to about it just to answer any remaining questions I have? Like a urologist?

Yes. Urologist.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is OP. I had no idea that people were so passionate about this issue. Since my husband does not want him to have it and my husband isn't, I am going to err on the side of not circumcising him. However, I would like to talk to a doctor about it. A couple of posters have said not to talk to my OB about it - then is there a type of doctor I should talk to about it just to answer any remaining questions I have? Like a urologist?

Yes. Urologist.

Of course a urologist will want it. Duh.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My reasons for circ have nothing to do with looks and everything to do with health and reducing the likelihood of stds per the studies cited already. If you want to believe the research doesn't apply to your son for some reason then fine but stop trying to make it about parents being shallow.

Plenty of people do it for shallow reasons, especially simple men who say "my son's penis should look like mine".

My OB/GYN said, regarding this procedure, that "all men in the house should look the same", but I forgot to scold her for being shallow.

This isn't just shallow. It's idiotic.

21 years ago when we were first making this decision, my husband was shocked to learn that while he's circ'ed, his father isn't. So much for everyone looking the same. Nevermind that the father's junk is mature and looks nothing like the child's, circ'ed or not. When I hear this "logic", I wonder why it doesn't apply to moms and breasts?

What could be the parallel to a mother's breasts?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is OP. I had no idea that people were so passionate about this issue. Since my husband does not want him to have it and my husband isn't, I am going to err on the side of not circumcising him. However, I would like to talk to a doctor about it. A couple of posters have said not to talk to my OB about it - then is there a type of doctor I should talk to about it just to answer any remaining questions I have? Like a urologist?

Yes. Urologist.

Of course a urologist will want it. Duh.

What are you basing this on?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My reasons for circ have nothing to do with looks and everything to do with health and reducing the likelihood of stds per the studies cited already. If you want to believe the research doesn't apply to your son for some reason then fine but stop trying to make it about parents being shallow.

Plenty of people do it for shallow reasons, especially simple men who say "my son's penis should look like mine".

My OB/GYN said, regarding this procedure, that "all men in the house should look the same", but I forgot to scold her for being shallow.

This isn't just shallow. It's idiotic.

21 years ago when we were first making this decision, my husband was shocked to learn that while he's circ'ed, his father isn't. So much for everyone looking the same. Nevermind that the father's junk is mature and looks nothing like the child's, circ'ed or not. When I hear this "logic", I wonder why it doesn't apply to moms and breasts?

Uh, because there is no medical procedure that can make breasts look fundamentally different, and in any event girls don't have breasts until puberty whereas boys always have penises?

And also, opinion of medical professional >>> opinion of random anonymous idiot on the internet