VA MD DC Girls soccer - thoughts, opinions

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:^^^PP I don’t disagree in principle currently but that assumes ECNL maintains the same talent level both worth playing against and drawing the same number of college coaches to ECNL events. My point is based more on is the level of talent in ECNL 3 or 4 years from now worth the travel and cost? We have had pages long complaints about the in state travel for mediocre games in CCL. Will the talent be worth a bus trip to North Carolina when it isn’t worth it to go to Va Beach? It might be now, that I do not dispute but I doubt it will be in a few years.

Yes, this is what was focused on. I know folks are deabting the current situation but I was reflecting on the 06s, 07s, maybe even 08s (although their parents are not really tuned in) . . . . just seems to be that people think that the top handful of players on these First Teams are gonna try for these DAs, just like the boys, over going to mclean/braddock for whatever players want to take on ecnl travel . . .

05s are too close in them to all this shakeup so I think 6s and 7s will be the shift if there is one. parents think there are way too many options right now and hoping in 2 years the winner will be clear.

Guess some are assuming the top players will tryout for DA, and if they are not good enough, then maybe stick with a local A travel team and take some pressure off. parents not sure what to think, but it doesn't seem like ecnl is being viewed as some great destination because of high school sports. if high school is such a big influence for a kid, then they don't need ecnl, right?

For 05s I think we see a 65% tip in the scale for DA. The only area for a decision matrix would be McLean and BRYC area players. With FCV drawing even more mind share of kids and parents to DA those families will no longer be thinking ECNL. They’ll have 3 DAs to choose from location wise. FCV/Loudoun kids are not going to seek out BRYC or McLean for ECNL. PWSI/VSA kids will also not be seeking out McLean or BRYC for ECNL. Arlington kids have to drive somewhere anyways so they will likely choose a DA over ECNL.

Vienna kids will have DA mind share with VDA.

That leaves McLean and BRYC to draw only from their own zip codes where in the past without DA, ECNL did draw kids from all over.

So if you are a kid in Loudoun and you are a good player and you don’t make FCV, VDA or Spirit then you are likely staying in CCL or NPL vs bothering with trying out for ECNL especially if you have a good role on your current team. I just don’t see two ECNL clubs who are surrounded by DA having any reach beyond their own player pool going forward.

There are quite a few girls that after last year left Arlington to play for McLean ECNL, more than went to Spirit DA. I think there were 3 girls from all the age groups that went to spirit and 5-6 girls to McLean. Right now, I do not feel as though there is a difference between ECNL and DA. Both are elite, incredibly expensive ($5,000+!!), and require a lot of travel. The one determining factor for many families right now is actually 1-high school soccer and 2-college recruiting. The ECNL college recruiting is insane. If you play in ECNL and you want to play college soccer, odds are, you will get at least 3 offers. However, the DA is just emerging and right now, is not the "premier" destination for some coaches, who have consistently gotten their players from ECNL. And then there's the whole Boy's ECNL thing....

Perhaps you should look at the DA showcase list of colleges.

http://www.ussoccerda.com/2017-da-ws-college-coach-scout-attendee-list

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^^PP I don’t disagree in principle currently but that assumes ECNL maintains the same talent level both worth playing against and drawing the same number of college coaches to ECNL events. My point is based more on is the level of talent in ECNL 3 or 4 years from now worth the travel and cost? We have had pages long complaints about the in state travel for mediocre games in CCL. Will the talent be worth a bus trip to North Carolina when it isn’t worth it to go to Va Beach? It might be now, that I do not dispute but I doubt it will be in a few years.

Yes, this is what was focused on. I know folks are deabting the current situation but I was reflecting on the 06s, 07s, maybe even 08s (although their parents are not really tuned in) . . . . just seems to be that people think that the top handful of players on these First Teams are gonna try for these DAs, just like the boys, over going to mclean/braddock for whatever players want to take on ecnl travel . . .

05s are too close in them to all this shakeup so I think 6s and 7s will be the shift if there is one. parents think there are way too many options right now and hoping in 2 years the winner will be clear.

Guess some are assuming the top players will tryout for DA, and if they are not good enough, then maybe stick with a local A travel team and take some pressure off. parents not sure what to think, but it doesn't seem like ecnl is being viewed as some great destination because of high school sports. if high school is such a big influence for a kid, then they don't need ecnl, right?

For 05s I think we see a 65% tip in the scale for DA. The only area for a decision matrix would be McLean and BRYC area players. With FCV drawing even more mind share of kids and parents to DA those families will no longer be thinking ECNL. They’ll have 3 DAs to choose from location wise. FCV/Loudoun kids are not going to seek out BRYC or McLean for ECNL. PWSI/VSA kids will also not be seeking out McLean or BRYC for ECNL. Arlington kids have to drive somewhere anyways so they will likely choose a DA over ECNL.

Vienna kids will have DA mind share with VDA.

That leaves McLean and BRYC to draw only from their own zip codes where in the past without DA, ECNL did draw kids from all over.

So if you are a kid in Loudoun and you are a good player and you don’t make FCV, VDA or Spirit then you are likely staying in CCL or NPL vs bothering with trying out for ECNL especially if you have a good role on your current team. I just don’t see two ECNL clubs who are surrounded by DA having any reach beyond their own player pool going forward.

There are quite a few girls that after last year left Arlington to play for McLean ECNL, more than went to Spirit DA. I think there were 3 girls from all the age groups that went to spirit and 5-6 girls to McLean. Right now, I do not feel as though there is a difference between ECNL and DA. Both are elite, incredibly expensive ($5,000+!!), and require a lot of travel. The one determining factor for many families right now is actually 1-high school soccer and 2-college recruiting. The ECNL college recruiting is insane. If you play in ECNL and you want to play college soccer, odds are, you will get at least 3 offers. However, the DA is just emerging and right now, is not the "premier" destination for some coaches, who have consistently gotten their players from ECNL. And then there's the whole Boy's ECNL thing....

questions to anyone:

why are WS and FCV (if you go to their websites) having ID sessions for girls DA in Jan. and Feb.? is this to lock up the girls that would otherwise go to mclean for ECNL league?

also, i thought girls DA started at U-14 and above, but both WS and FCV have dates and times for girls born in 2006? those girls go to U13 this fall, so is girls' DA adding U-13 because of ECNL league?

checked VDA as well, but their ID sessions do not include 2006 DOBs. only VDA and WS have the 2006s listed. anyone heard anything at these two clubs aboutr what is going on?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^^PP I don’t disagree in principle currently but that assumes ECNL maintains the same talent level both worth playing against and drawing the same number of college coaches to ECNL events. My point is based more on is the level of talent in ECNL 3 or 4 years from now worth the travel and cost? We have had pages long complaints about the in state travel for mediocre games in CCL. Will the talent be worth a bus trip to North Carolina when it isn’t worth it to go to Va Beach? It might be now, that I do not dispute but I doubt it will be in a few years.

Yes, this is what was focused on. I know folks are deabting the current situation but I was reflecting on the 06s, 07s, maybe even 08s (although their parents are not really tuned in) . . . . just seems to be that people think that the top handful of players on these First Teams are gonna try for these DAs, just like the boys, over going to mclean/braddock for whatever players want to take on ecnl travel . . .

05s are too close in them to all this shakeup so I think 6s and 7s will be the shift if there is one. parents think there are way too many options right now and hoping in 2 years the winner will be clear.

Guess some are assuming the top players will tryout for DA, and if they are not good enough, then maybe stick with a local A travel team and take some pressure off. parents not sure what to think, but it doesn't seem like ecnl is being viewed as some great destination because of high school sports. if high school is such a big influence for a kid, then they don't need ecnl, right?

For 05s I think we see a 65% tip in the scale for DA. The only area for a decision matrix would be McLean and BRYC area players. With FCV drawing even more mind share of kids and parents to DA those families will no longer be thinking ECNL. They’ll have 3 DAs to choose from location wise. FCV/Loudoun kids are not going to seek out BRYC or McLean for ECNL. PWSI/VSA kids will also not be seeking out McLean or BRYC for ECNL. Arlington kids have to drive somewhere anyways so they will likely choose a DA over ECNL.

Vienna kids will have DA mind share with VDA.

That leaves McLean and BRYC to draw only from their own zip codes where in the past without DA, ECNL did draw kids from all over.

So if you are a kid in Loudoun and you are a good player and you don’t make FCV, VDA or Spirit then you are likely staying in CCL or NPL vs bothering with trying out for ECNL especially if you have a good role on your current team. I just don’t see two ECNL clubs who are surrounded by DA having any reach beyond their own player pool going forward.

There are quite a few girls that after last year left Arlington to play for McLean ECNL, more than went to Spirit DA. I think there were 3 girls from all the age groups that went to spirit and 5-6 girls to McLean. Right now, I do not feel as though there is a difference between ECNL and DA. Both are elite, incredibly expensive ($5,000+!!), and require a lot of travel. The one determining factor for many families right now is actually 1-high school soccer and 2-college recruiting. The ECNL college recruiting is insane. If you play in ECNL and you want to play college soccer, odds are, you will get at least 3 offers. However, the DA is just emerging and right now, is not the "premier" destination for some coaches, who have consistently gotten their players from ECNL. And then there's the whole Boy's ECNL thing....

questions to anyone:

why are WS and FCV (if you go to their websites) having ID sessions for girls DA in Jan. and Feb.? is this to lock up the girls that would otherwise go to mclean for ECNL league?

also, i thought girls DA started at U-14 and above, but both WS and FCV have dates and times for girls born in 2006? those girls go to U13 this fall, so is girls' DA adding U-13 because of ECNL league?

checked VDA as well, but their ID sessions do not include 2006 DOBs. only VDA and WS have the 2006s listed. anyone heard anything at these two clubs aboutr what is going on?

meant to write .... "only FCV and WS have the 2006s listed."

too many acronyms

[Anonymous]

Good question PP. The MD Spirit DA already has a couple of '06s playing on the U-14 team.

[Anonymous]

VDA also shows 2006s. Rumors abound about GDA starting earlier.

DA needs to lock in their rosters ASAP, the movement decision of girls is significant in its ability to entice others who may be on the fence based on this years results for area DA. The FOMO is strong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Good question PP. The MD Spirit DA already has a couple of '06s playing on the U-14 team.

Spirit MD 19FT, 3 are 2006, 3 are 2005, 13 are 2004.
Spirit VA looks like all are 04s
FCV 1 2005, rest 04
VDA 1 2005, rest 04

[Anonymous]

U13 USGDA already in place as a pilot in Frontier Division. Talk of expansion to U13 was on other boards as far back as November. With ID sessions for 06s, sounds like they are really getting ready to identify 5th and 6th grade girls in this area for 06 teams starting in 2018-19.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:U13 USGDA already in place as a pilot in Frontier Division. Talk of expansion to U13 was on other boards as far back as November. With ID sessions for 06s, sounds like they are really getting ready to identify 5th and 6th grade girls in this area for 06 teams starting in 2018-19.

The Atlantic Division will have U13 added this coming Fall as a pilot as well so that is why the call for 06's.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^^PP I don’t disagree in principle currently but that assumes ECNL maintains the same talent level both worth playing against and drawing the same number of college coaches to ECNL events. My point is based more on is the level of talent in ECNL 3 or 4 years from now worth the travel and cost? We have had pages long complaints about the in state travel for mediocre games in CCL. Will the talent be worth a bus trip to North Carolina when it isn’t worth it to go to Va Beach? It might be now, that I do not dispute but I doubt it will be in a few years.

Yes, this is what was focused on. I know folks are deabting the current situation but I was reflecting on the 06s, 07s, maybe even 08s (although their parents are not really tuned in) . . . . just seems to be that people think that the top handful of players on these First Teams are gonna try for these DAs, just like the boys, over going to mclean/braddock for whatever players want to take on ecnl travel . . .

05s are too close in them to all this shakeup so I think 6s and 7s will be the shift if there is one. parents think there are way too many options right now and hoping in 2 years the winner will be clear.

Guess some are assuming the top players will tryout for DA, and if they are not good enough, then maybe stick with a local A travel team and take some pressure off. parents not sure what to think, but it doesn't seem like ecnl is being viewed as some great destination because of high school sports. if high school is such a big influence for a kid, then they don't need ecnl, right?

For 05s I think we see a 65% tip in the scale for DA. The only area for a decision matrix would be McLean and BRYC area players. With FCV drawing even more mind share of kids and parents to DA those families will no longer be thinking ECNL. They’ll have 3 DAs to choose from location wise. FCV/Loudoun kids are not going to seek out BRYC or McLean for ECNL. PWSI/VSA kids will also not be seeking out McLean or BRYC for ECNL. Arlington kids have to drive somewhere anyways so they will likely choose a DA over ECNL.

Vienna kids will have DA mind share with VDA.

That leaves McLean and BRYC to draw only from their own zip codes where in the past without DA, ECNL did draw kids from all over.

So if you are a kid in Loudoun and you are a good player and you don’t make FCV, VDA or Spirit then you are likely staying in CCL or NPL vs bothering with trying out for ECNL especially if you have a good role on your current team. I just don’t see two ECNL clubs who are surrounded by DA having any reach beyond their own player pool going forward.

There are quite a few girls that after last year left Arlington to play for McLean ECNL, more than went to Spirit DA. I think there were 3 girls from all the age groups that went to spirit and 5-6 girls to McLean. Right now, I do not feel as though there is a difference between ECNL and DA. Both are elite, incredibly expensive ($5,000+!!), and require a lot of travel. The one determining factor for many families right now is actually 1-high school soccer and 2-college recruiting. The ECNL college recruiting is insane. If you play in ECNL and you want to play college soccer, odds are, you will get at least 3 offers. However, the DA is just emerging and right now, is not the "premier" destination for some coaches, who have consistently gotten their players from ECNL. And then there's the whole Boy's ECNL thing....

questions to anyone:

why are WS and FCV (if you go to their websites) having ID sessions for girls DA in Jan. and Feb.? is this to lock up the girls that would otherwise go to mclean for ECNL league?

also, i thought girls DA started at U-14 and above, but both WS and FCV have dates and times for girls born in 2006? those girls go to U13 this fall, so is girls' DA adding U-13 because of ECNL league?

checked VDA as well, but their ID sessions do not include 2006 DOBs. only VDA and WS have the 2006s listed. anyone heard anything at these two clubs aboutr what is going on?

DA can add players at any time after October I believe, so DA's will generally have their ID's much sooner than traditional travel tryout schedules. And since this is a down period overall it is much easier for kids to just relax and go to the tryouts without having a super crazy schedule of club practices as well as multi club tryouts all over the place in April and May. The weather just sucks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:U13 USGDA already in place as a pilot in Frontier Division. Talk of expansion to U13 was on other boards as far back as November. With ID sessions for 06s, sounds like they are really getting ready to identify 5th and 6th grade girls in this area for 06 teams starting in 2018-19.

The Atlantic Division will have U13 added this coming Fall as a pilot as well so that is why the call for 06's.

I think this does make sense, but there also have been discussions and rumors of U13 in the far West as well. Have you seen any releases about this new pilot from the Atlantic clubs? I have not.

What is interesting about U13 in the Frontier, is that it includes a club (Rise SC) that does not have the full USGDA at U14 and above. Similar to the boys DA, are large clubs like Loudoun and Arlington applying for U13-only franchises for this Atlantic pilot? Would help them keep their 06s in house an extra year and not defect to ECNL, while then referring their best 06s to the Wash. Spirit the following year for U14 DA. Any info? There used to be an Alliance, but I believe it fell apart over a year ago.

[Anonymous]

Penn Fusion (Atlantic) had a DA Talent ID day in December that included 2006s and 2007s. They are having three more in the next couple mos. that includes the 2008s. Invite only after you apply and get accepted, so the younger ages must be for play-ups.

[Anonymous]

4th graders in the DA? That seems a little extreme.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:4th graders in the DA? That seems a little extreme.

On its face it seems a bit extreme but part of our problem as a nation is that only older kids get our "best" coaches. The earlier that kids can be trained by better coaches the better overall. We don't need DA to do this but clubs in general will use inexperienced coaches at the younger ages when teaching is most critical.

So the idea seems extreme but it is the right thing to do overall, not just DA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:U13 USGDA already in place as a pilot in Frontier Division. Talk of expansion to U13 was on other boards as far back as November. With ID sessions for 06s, sounds like they are really getting ready to identify 5th and 6th grade girls in this area for 06 teams starting in 2018-19.

The Atlantic Division will have U13 added this coming Fall as a pilot as well so that is why the call for 06's.

I think this does make sense, but there also have been discussions and rumors of U13 in the far West as well. Have you seen any releases about this new pilot from the Atlantic clubs? I have not.

What is interesting about U13 in the Frontier, is that it includes a club (Rise SC) that does not have the full USGDA at U14 and above. Similar to the boys DA, are large clubs like Loudoun and Arlington applying for U13-only franchises for this Atlantic pilot? Would help them keep their 06s in house an extra year and not defect to ECNL, while then referring their best 06s to the Wash. Spirit the following year for U14 DA. Any info? There used to be an Alliance, but I believe it fell apart over a year ago.

I honestly can't imagine Loudoun applying for DA with their current partnership with FCV.

[Anonymous]

Arlington doesn't have the field space for DA expansion