"Don't tread on me" license plate

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Anonymous wrote:It's not a leap. It's not a hop. It's not even a step. It's standing still. Go look at any nazi white nationalist rally and you'll see dozens of those sick yellow flags in the crowd. Thru don't even attempt to hide it.

They are nazis. Period.

I find this so insulting.

Maybe stop feeling insulted for one minute and actually LISTEN to people. My Jewish wife has the same creepy feelings when she sees a bunch of jacked up white dudes waving the Gadsen as she does when she sees Confederatd flags in southern VA or rural MD. Especially when those people are at political rallies saying "Take our country back!"

I guarantee a solid one-third of this country is utterly repulsed by the Gadsen flag because of what it's become to those who intensely dislike "fake" Americans.

And I get a creepy feeling when I read the op and the people defending her.

Maybe if the folks waving the Gadsen gave up the politics of exclusion it would make people feel safer in their presence?

And yes, the introduction of the Gadsen license plate is 100% about capitalizing on Tea Party and exclusionary right wing politics. Why wasn't the Gadsen license plate introduced in 2001, after the September 11 attacks? Or maybe in 1991, after the fall of Communism?

It has zero to do with the Marines, the colonial era, or history. It's about exclusionary politics and tribalism. Gross.

You can't just declare its meaning and then reject people based on that. Are you 12?

Interesting that you have zero rebuttal to the facts I laid out.

Tell me:
"Take back our country" - from whom?
"Make America great again" - to when? Is it not great already?

The more you gaslight and pretend it doesn't mean what I claim, the more easily the rest of us see through your supremacist views. Stop bullsh#tting and feigning outrage.

Bwahahahaha. Sorry, lifelong liberal democrat, union supporting, child of immigrants, Medicare for all supporter here. I also have friends who in the military, work in law enforcement, teach at Catholic universities. I've been to gay weddings, supported a friend through an abortion and believe Planned Parenthood should be funded. And I send my kids to Catholic school. Political issues are complicated. People are complicated. They are multi-faceted. A license plate choice reflects something about a person's beliefs, but not everything. You learn about people and their beliefs by talking to them, not shunning them. You can't say you support tolerance for all, but not people you disagree with. And you are not the arbiter of the meaning of a license plate.

There's nothing to rebut in your argument because you're not making one. You're declaring something as a fact when it's not. Life is not black and white. Adults know that. 12 year olds do not.

Bravo, PP, bravo. Unbelievably well said.

+1. I don't like the other pp's brand of blind, kneejerk liberalism.

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Anonymous wrote:It's not a leap. It's not a hop. It's not even a step. It's standing still. Go look at any nazi white nationalist rally and you'll see dozens of those sick yellow flags in the crowd. Thru don't even attempt to hide it.

They are nazis. Period.

I find this so insulting.

Maybe stop feeling insulted for one minute and actually LISTEN to people. My Jewish wife has the same creepy feelings when she sees a bunch of jacked up white dudes waving the Gadsen as she does when she sees Confederatd flags in southern VA or rural MD. Especially when those people are at political rallies saying "Take our country back!"

I guarantee a solid one-third of this country is utterly repulsed by the Gadsen flag because of what it's become to those who intensely dislike "fake" Americans.

And I get a creepy feeling when I read the op and the people defending her.

Maybe if the folks waving the Gadsen gave up the politics of exclusion it would make people feel safer in their presence?

And yes, the introduction of the Gadsen license plate is 100% about capitalizing on Tea Party and exclusionary right wing politics. Why wasn't the Gadsen license plate introduced in 2001, after the September 11 attacks? Or maybe in 1991, after the fall of Communism?

It has zero to do with the Marines, the colonial era, or history. It's about exclusionary politics and tribalism. Gross.

You can't just declare its meaning and then reject people based on that. Are you 12?

Interesting that you have zero rebuttal to the facts I laid out.

Tell me:
"Take back our country" - from whom?
"Make America great again" - to when? Is it not great already?

The more you gaslight and pretend it doesn't mean what I claim, the more easily the rest of us see through your supremacist views. Stop bullsh#tting and feigning outrage.

Bwahahahaha. Sorry, lifelong liberal democrat, union supporting, child of immigrants, Medicare for all supporter here. I also have friends who in the military, work in law enforcement, teach at Catholic universities. I've been to gay weddings, supported a friend through an abortion and believe Planned Parenthood should be funded. And I send my kids to Catholic school. Political issues are complicated. People are complicated. They are multi-faceted. A license plate choice reflects something about a person's beliefs, but not everything. You learn about people and their beliefs by talking to them, not shunning them. You can't say you support tolerance for all, but not people you disagree with. And you are not the arbiter of the meaning of a license plate.

There's nothing to rebut in your argument because you're not making one. You're declaring something as a fact when it's not. Life is not black and white. Adults know that. 12 year olds do not.

Bravo, PP, bravo. Unbelievably well said.

+1. I don't like the other pp's brand of blind, kneejerk liberalism.

If people don't want to get called out on their bullsh#t, they should stop bullsh#tting. It's not that hard.

Again, for the 3rd time: why didn't "patriots" rally around the Gadsen after 9/11 or the fall of Commumism? Those were actually the perfec moments for that message. The more you keep ignoring, the more the rest of us know why you fly it. It's become a symbol of exclusion in its modern use. I don't need those kinds of neighbor's living next door to me.

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Anonymous wrote:Who wants a Nazi Mrs. Kravitz?! Wave and smile but don't ever invite them into your home or lives.

Both true and funny! Yeah, OP, don't befriend them in any way and NEVER let your children go over to play in their house.

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If OP's neighbor doesn't want to be associated with right wing nut job politics, they probably shouldn't be flexing the most prominent symbol of right wing nut job politics in our post 9/11 political era.

It's hilarious that folks here have the temerity to accuse the OP of being unfairly political and judgmental. Her neighbor needs to stop leading with political statements as first impressions.

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FFS, OP. They're your neighbors. Of COURSE you should get to know them. Why waste that opportunity to make a human connection? Even people with differing political philosophies can be useful when you need a cup of sugar. To the rest of you...

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Anonymous wrote:FFS, OP. They're your neighbors. Of COURSE you should get to know them. Why waste that opportunity to make a human connection? Even people with differing political philosophies can be useful when you need a cup of sugar. To the rest of you...

I love you.

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Anonymous wrote:Op here- The mom didn't seem very "redneck" and her kids were extremely polite. I'm not going to lie though, I have never seen anyone wear or display the "don't tread on me" sign that wasn't racist or very uneducated. Not judge mental as much as uneducated.

Venture out of your bubble! You people are unreal

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Anonymous wrote:Who wants a Nazi Mrs. Kravitz?! Wave and smile but don't ever invite them into your home or lives.

Both true and funny! Yeah, OP, don't befriend them in any way and NEVER let your children go over to play in their house.

+1 Those "Don't Tread On Me" fools have firearms. Part of the culture.

And if you are like me, OP, I don;t have time to see people I love and have been friends with for decades - I don;t need any new friends. Be neighborly (friendly and helpful in times of trouble) but don't befriend them.

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Wow. Wow. This thread makes me so glad I got the hell out of DC. And for the non-crazy liberals on here (and I see there are a lot), this sort of insane vicious intolerance is what is destroying the Democratic coalition. When people believe the choice is between UMC assholes who believe a Don't Tread on Me license plate means you are a Nazi who should literally be shunned, and Donald Trump, well, some people will pick Trump. And the worst part is that this sort of nastiness only emboldens racists, but is almost exclusively perpetrated by whites. So white people like OP discredit liberalism by acting like flaming assholes, and minorities end up paying the price.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. Wow. This thread makes me so glad I got the hell out of DC. And for the non-crazy liberals on here (and I see there are a lot), this sort of insane vicious intolerance is what is destroying the Democratic coalition. When people believe the choice is between UMC assholes who believe a Don't Tread on Me license plate means you are a Nazi who should literally be shunned, and Donald Trump, well, some people will pick Trump. And the worst part is that this sort of nastiness only emboldens racists, but is almost exclusively perpetrated by whites. So white people like OP discredit liberalism by acting like flaming assholes, and minorities end up paying the price.

I certainly did, largely for this reason.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. Wow. This thread makes me so glad I got the hell out of DC. And for the non-crazy liberals on here (and I see there are a lot), this sort of insane vicious intolerance is what is destroying the Democratic coalition. When people believe the choice is between UMC assholes who believe a Don't Tread on Me license plate means you are a Nazi who should literally be shunned, and Donald Trump, well, some people will pick Trump. And the worst part is that this sort of nastiness only emboldens racists, but is almost exclusively perpetrated by whites. So white people like OP discredit liberalism by acting like flaming assholes, and minorities end up paying the price.

We are happy you are gone. You sound dumb.

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My husband is a hunter and into Realtree clothing, and has a Don't Tread on Me sticker on his car, along with others. He voted for Hillary. He may be a bit "redneck" but he's still very liberal. I wouldn't jump to conclusions.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. Wow. This thread makes me so glad I got the hell out of DC. And for the non-crazy liberals on here (and I see there are a lot), this sort of insane vicious intolerance is what is destroying the Democratic coalition. When people believe the choice is between UMC assholes who believe a Don't Tread on Me license plate means you are a Nazi who should literally be shunned, and Donald Trump, well, some people will pick Trump. And the worst part is that this sort of nastiness only emboldens racists, but is almost exclusively perpetrated by whites. So white people like OP discredit liberalism by acting like flaming assholes, and minorities end up paying the price.

I certainly did, largely for this reason.

So you helped put an unqualified troll in the WH because some liberals hurt your precious fee-fee's? Toughen up, snowflake. Your cut off your nose to spite your face. How's that working out for our country?

No wonder other countries think we foolishly take our freedoms for granted.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. Wow. This thread makes me so glad I got the hell out of DC. And for the non-crazy liberals on here (and I see there are a lot), this sort of insane vicious intolerance is what is destroying the Democratic coalition. When people believe the choice is between UMC assholes who believe a Don't Tread on Me license plate means you are a Nazi who should literally be shunned, and Donald Trump, well, some people will pick Trump. And the worst part is that this sort of nastiness only emboldens racists, but is almost exclusively perpetrated by whites. So white people like OP discredit liberalism by acting like flaming assholes, and minorities end up paying the price.

I certainly did, largely for this reason.

So you helped put an unqualified troll in the WH because some liberals hurt your precious fee-fee's? Toughen up, snowflake. Your cut off your nose to spite your face. How's that working out for our country?

No wonder other countries think we foolishly take our freedoms for granted.

I think other countries are amused by our foolish belief that we are the only ones with freedom.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, anyone who displays that flag or a license plate with it in 2017 is doing it make a statement that they're aligned with the current meaning of the flag. Specifically, white nationalism, anti-government and guns guns guns everywhere. The gun related bumper sticker is a dead giveaway, too. And it's troubling, because that means you now have a person who is armed, and living in very close proximity to you. That's reason enough to be concerned all by itself, but when taken in context with them being nazis, it would keep anyone up at night for sure.

That flag is basically the same as flying a rebel flag or a swastika flag, except the snake flag is like the undercover version, but the meaning is still the same, and the people who fly it know they are meeting a fellow nazi when they see someone with it. They can identify each other at a distance.

Of course, what they're too stupid to realize is that regular people can also spot them at a distance, too, once it became clear what that flag represented. This thread is the perfect demonstration of that. It's no longer a secret to anyone, but they keep showing that flag. Which also illustrates how stupid many of them are.


As for your neighbors specifically, how worried you should be depends on several factors that only you could really answer since you're there dealing with it. Best way to deal with it is pretend they don't exist. Don't acknowledge them, don't talk to them, anything. No interaction means they never get a chance to know anything about you, and you therefore, never become a potential target. These people personalize everything, and that's how they choose their victims - people who they perceive as being opposition, better or in some cases, being a POC is enough. But they tend to strike out at victims who are the object of their hatred, like that guy did in Alexandria this spring. If you don't acquaint yourself with them, you can keep from becoming an object of obsession in their minds. That's the best way to keep yourself safe. And it goes without saying that you should definitely keep an eye on them, discretely. If you see any activity that would indicate they are up to something, thats when you need to call the cops.

Good luck. It's terrible that people have to deal with stuff like this.

PP, I think I love you.