Trump announces policy banning transgender military service

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I don't know your friends of course, and I would completely respect them as human beings. But to say that they don't "choose" to behave in this manner is absurd.

I think you are right. Let's follow Mike Pence's lead and provide electro-shock therapy to see if we can get their minds right.

No one is saying they can't be transgendered. We are saying the taxpayers should not pay for the surgeries.

That isn't what the President is proposing. He is willfully removing thousands of active patriots (something he never did) from service. It has nothing to do with surgeries and everything to do with hate and fear-mongering.

You ok with a modification, i.e. let transgenders serve but no surgery paid for by the taxpayer?

I would be except then you get into the barracks bathroom shower issue. The military has things on its plate, like fighting a war on many fronts, that are simply more important than this, for now.

I guess you weren't around in the last 20 years when we were having these same conversations about women and gays. And you know what, it all turned out fine. The showers weren't such a big deal after all. You homophobes are always so worried about showers.

[Anonymous]

I would be except then you get into the barracks bathroom shower issue. The military has things on its plate, like fighting a war on many fronts, that are simply more important than this, for now.

I posted this above. The thread began about an hour ago. Explains the issues on a fire base. Most have no idea.



https://twitter.com/jrsalzman

[Anonymous]

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I don't know your friends of course, and I would completely respect them as human beings. But to say that they don't "choose" to behave in this manner is absurd.

I think you are right. Let's follow Mike Pence's lead and provide electro-shock therapy to see if we can get their minds right.

No one is saying they can't be transgendered. We are saying the taxpayers should not pay for the surgeries.

That isn't what the President is proposing. He is willfully removing thousands of active patriots (something he never did) from service. It has nothing to do with surgeries and everything to do with hate and fear-mongering.

Thousands?? So now there are thousands of transgendered persons in the military. Lol

2014 https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/research/military-related/us-transgender-military-service/

The same "Williams Institute" did a study and found that 0.3% of the 340 million Americans are Transgender. That is 102,000 and according to the PP they all are in the military. LOL!

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I don't know your friends of course, and I would completely respect them as human beings. But to say that they don't "choose" to behave in this manner is absurd.

I think you are right. Let's follow Mike Pence's lead and provide electro-shock therapy to see if we can get their minds right.

No one is saying they can't be transgendered. We are saying the taxpayers should not pay for the surgeries.

That isn't what the President is proposing. He is willfully removing thousands of active patriots (something he never did) from service. It has nothing to do with surgeries and everything to do with hate and fear-mongering.

Thousands?? So now there are thousands of transgendered persons in the military. Lol

2014 https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/research/military-related/us-transgender-military-service/

The same "Williams Institute" did a study and found that 0.3% of the 340 million Americans are Transgender. That is 102,000 and according to the PP they all are in the military. LOL!

Where did you pull that from. The numbers I have seen are 10,000-15,000. My husband has one in his reserve unit. He says it is no big deal.

[Anonymous]

Wait a second, does this ban also apply to transpeople who have already had the surgery (top and bottom)? If so, why?

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Anonymous wrote:Are there any openly transgender people in the military now? Is this a pressing issue? I also don't understand the impetus for this decision. As stated, there is much bigger fish to fry in the military and outside of it.

I just read on twitter there are an estimated 15000 transgender currently in the military. Not sure about openly.

The number of transgender service members is estimated.

IMEHO, there's no where near 15,000.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://twitter.com/jrsalzman

There's a twitter thread here from an Iraqi vet--amputee. Worth reading. Explains the issue.

Yeah, but what % of the military are "warriors?" The vast majority are desk jockeys or are in support roles nowhere near combat. I appreciate his service, but lets not pretend like he doesn't have mentally unstable straight cis men in the foxhole. He makes a lot of assumptions, the main one being that transgendered people are mentally unstable. It's exactly the same bigoted argument said about gay men and women until 1990s.

I'm fine with keeping a person in actively transitioning out of combat roles. But there's soooooooooo many other jobs in the military in which they can serve their country.

[Anonymous]

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I would be except then you get into the barracks bathroom shower issue. The military has things on its plate, like fighting a war on many fronts, that are simply more important than this, for now.

I posted this above. The thread began about an hour ago. Explains the issues on a fire base. Most have no idea.



https://twitter.com/jrsalzman

Give me a break. Being a Christian veteran doesn't qualify a person to decide their prejudices are the correct ones. I don't think most folks who identify as transgender are "confused about whether they are a man or a woman" the way this person is suggesting.

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I don't know your friends of course, and I would completely respect them as human beings. But to say that they don't "choose" to behave in this manner is absurd.

I think you are right. Let's follow Mike Pence's lead and provide electro-shock therapy to see if we can get their minds right.

No one is saying they can't be transgendered. We are saying the taxpayers should not pay for the surgeries.

That isn't what the President is proposing. He is willfully removing thousands of active patriots (something he never did) from service. It has nothing to do with surgeries and everything to do with hate and fear-mongering.

Thousands?? So now there are thousands of transgendered persons in the military. Lol

2014 https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/research/military-related/us-transgender-military-service/

The same "Williams Institute" did a study and found that 0.3% of the 340 million Americans are Transgender. That is 102,000 and according to the PP they all are in the military. LOL!

Where did you pull that from. The numbers I have seen are 10,000-15,000. My husband has one in his reserve unit. He says it is no big deal.

My active duty son says it's a huge deal.

Asthma = can't serve

Trans = can serve.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
I don't know your friends of course, and I would completely respect them as human beings. But to say that they don't "choose" to behave in this manner is absurd.

I think you are right. Let's follow Mike Pence's lead and provide electro-shock therapy to see if we can get their minds right.

No one is saying they can't be transgendered. We are saying the taxpayers should not pay for the surgeries.

That isn't what the President is proposing. He is willfully removing thousands of active patriots (something he never did) from service. It has nothing to do with surgeries and everything to do with hate and fear-mongering.

Thousands?? So now there are thousands of transgendered persons in the military. Lol

2014 https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/research/military-related/us-transgender-military-service/

The same "Williams Institute" did a study and found that 0.3% of the 340 million Americans are Transgender. That is 102,000 and according to the PP they all are in the military. LOL!

Where did you pull that from. The numbers I have seen are 10,000-15,000. My husband has one in his reserve unit. He says it is no big deal.

My active duty son says it's a huge deal.

Asthma = can't serve

Trans = can serve.

I'm not sure I understand what your son's beef is. He has asthma but can't serve, and he's piqued that someone who has what he perceives to be a more deleterious medical problem is allowed to? Or is this a moral thing he's saying? It's a strange comparison.

[Anonymous]

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jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Have you ever commanded a military unit of any type?

For right now, this makes perfect sense. There are many issues to be resolved--for example: PT tests for starters. Does a transgender man have to meet the requirements of a man or a woman? Sexual harassment. This is confusing to people. And complicated.

Sure training can be provided. Training for this costs money and time when we have many hotbeds of activity around the world. And, yes, it appears that the military is attractive to people who wish to transgender because of the healthcare costs. And, think about this, the surgery must surely require a lot of time off from work--as well as the expense. Do we really want to deploy someone who is going through transition?

This is a military readiness issue.

This is not an easy topic. It is complicated and expensive.

This was said about black people.

This was said about women.

This was said about gay people.

It is not necessary to have commanded a unit to have seen this show before.

Black people do not require highly specialized surgery or special dispensation on PT tests.

I agree that women are serving well--but, if you think that it does not come with additional medical and social issues, you are very naïve. For example, a platoon leader who deployed to Iraq and had to return home (after all the training in preparation) because she was pregnant. This is expensive and dangerous--as she was replaced by a platoon leader who had not been trained for this highly specialized and quite dangerous job. Fortunately, her replacement was a great manager--but this is an "unintended consequence" of women in the military which is costly. The same with women on ships.
There are also the issues of sexual harassment and assault. It should not exist, but lots of money is being spent on this, as well. And, yes, some of it does come down to "he said, she said."

Again, do gay people require surgery? Do they require special PT tests? How many additional funds are spent on this?

This is not a "show". This is real life, real people, and real danger. The DOD needs to spend money on preparedness--not transgender surgery and more social training than we already have. A company commander out in the desert does not need to deal with this. There is a lot more to war than fire fights.

How about they stop spending money on Viagra, which costs the military more than any transgender related things. By a lot. https://mobile.twitter.com/natlsciservice/status/890224056632569856

[Anonymous]

You don't join the Military to have your gender validated or prove you can serve.

You don't join the Military to have costly surgeries and meds.

You join to serve your country.

Military service is not about you.

Trans service members and their supporters have made it all about them.

I have seen countless posts here denigrating service members, and how greedy and attention seeking they are.

But the most costly and oooh look at me I am so patriotic service members, trans, are applauded and pushed forward to cheers and drools of joy.

Transparent and disgusting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I don't know your friends of course, and I would completely respect them as human beings. But to say that they don't "choose" to behave in this manner is absurd.

I think you are right. Let's follow Mike Pence's lead and provide electro-shock therapy to see if we can get their minds right.

No one is saying they can't be transgendered. We are saying the taxpayers should not pay for the surgeries.

That isn't what the President is proposing. He is willfully removing thousands of active patriots (something he never did) from service. It has nothing to do with surgeries and everything to do with hate and fear-mongering.

Thousands?? So now there are thousands of transgendered persons in the military. Lol

2014 https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/research/military-related/us-transgender-military-service/

The same "Williams Institute" did a study and found that 0.3% of the 340 million Americans are Transgender. That is 102,000 and according to the PP they all are in the military. LOL!

Where did you pull that from. The numbers I have seen are 10,000-15,000. My husband has one in his reserve unit. He says it is no big deal.

My active duty son says it's a huge deal.

Asthma = can't serve

Trans = can serve.

I'm not sure I understand what your son's beef is. He has asthma but can't serve, and he's piqued that someone who has what he perceives to be a more deleterious medical problem is allowed to? Or is this a moral thing he's saying? It's a strange comparison.

Dear clueless, ppl with asthma are disqualified from service due to medical issues.

Trans, who have infinitely more medical issues, can serve.

My son serves. Currently deployed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

I would be except then you get into the barracks bathroom shower issue. The military has things on its plate, like fighting a war on many fronts, that are simply more important than this, for now.

I posted this above. The thread began about an hour ago. Explains the issues on a fire base. Most have no idea.



https://twitter.com/jrsalzman

Based on his comments about women serving as well, I think this guy's opinion is worth exactly how much I paid for it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You don't join the Military to have your gender validated or prove you can serve.

You don't join the Military to have costly surgeries and meds.

You join to serve your country.

Military service is not about you.

Republicans and their supporters have made it all about trans soldiers.

I have seen countless posts here denigrating service members, and how greedy and attention seeking they are.

But the most costly and oooh look at me I am so patriotic service members, trans, are applauded and pushed forward to cheers and drools of joy.

Transparent and disgusting.

Fixed that for you. Trans people just want to be left alone. Why can't Republicans stop talking about them and legislating against them? Let them do their job in peace.

Also, you seem to be gunning for a gold medal in the Martyr Olympics. USA! USA!