Building a 9000SF house without 2 story foyer, is that ok?

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Anonymous wrote:This is so silly. If your HVAC system is working properly, there are no issues with two story space.

The laws of physics beg to differ with you. Hot air rises which means the lower part of the foyer is always chilly with air conditioning or lack of heat, while the upper part of the foyer is overly warm to hot.

You see, the other part of this is the location of cold air returns, heat exchangers and ERV units, all of which regulate the temperature of fresh air and also have something called zone control where you can put more warm air or cool air in different parts of the house, within the zone.

You aren't getting this in a simple two zone system.

I am taking it easy on you because I understand that you have no idea what you are talking about.

Thanks for the condescension, but as a mechanical engineer, I might say the same about you. You are describing a very expensive system that takes endless tinkering for a homeowner who will not take the time to do the work. Ask OP if she ir he will do more than monitor two or three zones and get back to me.

We recently custom built a home with 3 zones (one for each level) with a whole house ERV/HRV for air exchange with the outside. Works great and very comfortable with minimal utility bills. YES..we have a two story rear foyer....and NO temperature control is not an issue. If you have the requisite budget and a good architect/engineer, there are zero issues.

I'd be curious what your "minimal" utility bills are like. Not that I'd believe any number you post, but what your actual bills are like.

10k sq ft home. Max winter gas bill jan-February timeframe, thermostat at 78, three units, plus a bunch of other shit running - $375. Summer, max electric bill , July-August, thermostat at 76, $200. Note that we have gas cooking, 75gal gas water tank, 3 refrigerators, outdoor lighting, septic pumps, etc, etc which are obviously part f the monthly billing. Home is all brick, 2x6 construction, r23 walls, r53 roof, selected areas open cell foam nsulation, Marvin high perm windows, etc. furnace units are high end Trane with 95% AFU. Looked into geothermal but not yet sold on the technology.

LOL at your idea of "minimal." Your math skills must rival mine.

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Anonymous wrote:This is so silly. If your HVAC system is working properly, there are no issues with two story space.

The laws of physics beg to differ with you. Hot air rises which means the lower part of the foyer is always chilly with air conditioning or lack of heat, while the upper part of the foyer is overly warm to hot.

You see, the other part of this is the location of cold air returns, heat exchangers and ERV units, all of which regulate the temperature of fresh air and also have something called zone control where you can put more warm air or cool air in different parts of the house, within the zone.

You aren't getting this in a simple two zone system.

I am taking it easy on you because I understand that you have no idea what you are talking about.

Thanks for the condescension, but as a mechanical engineer, I might say the same about you. You are describing a very expensive system that takes endless tinkering for a homeowner who will not take the time to do the work. Ask OP if she ir he will do more than monitor two or three zones and get back to me.

As a non-mechanical engineer but very wealthy person, I can tell you I have yet to encounter an inconvenience posed by physics that cannot be solved with enough money.

You are absolutely correct. And that is why I make a very good living as a mechanical engineer. So thank you to the very wealthy people (but mostly companies) that pay me so well.

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Anonymous wrote:This is so silly. If your HVAC system is working properly, there are no issues with two story space.

The laws of physics beg to differ with you. Hot air rises which means the lower part of the foyer is always chilly with air conditioning or lack of heat, while the upper part of the foyer is overly warm to hot.

You see, the other part of this is the location of cold air returns, heat exchangers and ERV units, all of which regulate the temperature of fresh air and also have something called zone control where you can put more warm air or cool air in different parts of the house, within the zone.

You aren't getting this in a simple two zone system.

I am taking it easy on you because I understand that you have no idea what you are talking about.

Thanks for the condescension, but as a mechanical engineer, I might say the same about you. You are describing a very expensive system that takes endless tinkering for a homeowner who will not take the time to do the work. Ask OP if she ir he will do more than monitor two or three zones and get back to me.

We recently custom built a home with 3 zones (one for each level) with a whole house ERV/HRV for air exchange with the outside. Works great and very comfortable with minimal utility bills. YES..we have a two story rear foyer....and NO temperature control is not an issue. If you have the requisite budget and a good architect/engineer, there are zero issues.

I'd be curious what your "minimal" utility bills are like. Not that I'd believe any number you post, but what your actual bills are like.

10k sq ft home. Max winter gas bill jan-February timeframe, thermostat at 78, three units, plus a bunch of other shit running - $375. Summer, max electric bill , July-August, thermostat at 76, $200. Note that we have gas cooking, 75gal gas water tank, 3 refrigerators, outdoor lighting, septic pumps, etc, etc which are obviously part f the monthly billing. Home is all brick, 2x6 construction, r23 walls, r53 roof, selected areas open cell foam nsulation, Marvin high perm windows, etc. furnace units are high end Trane with 95% AFU. Looked into geothermal but not yet sold on the technology.

You don't have separate tankless water heaters for each bathroom (or at least each floor)? Water tanks are so last century.

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LOL! Everybody on DCUM is wealthy.

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Anonymous wrote:This is so silly. If your HVAC system is working properly, there are no issues with two story space.

The laws of physics beg to differ with you. Hot air rises which means the lower part of the foyer is always chilly with air conditioning or lack of heat, while the upper part of the foyer is overly warm to hot.

You see, the other part of this is the location of cold air returns, heat exchangers and ERV units, all of which regulate the temperature of fresh air and also have something called zone control where you can put more warm air or cool air in different parts of the house, within the zone.

You aren't getting this in a simple two zone system.

I am taking it easy on you because I understand that you have no idea what you are talking about.

Thanks for the condescension, but as a mechanical engineer, I might say the same about you. You are describing a very expensive system that takes endless tinkering for a homeowner who will not take the time to do the work. Ask OP if she ir he will do more than monitor two or three zones and get back to me.

We recently custom built a home with 3 zones (one for each level) with a whole house ERV/HRV for air exchange with the outside. Works great and very comfortable with minimal utility bills. YES..we have a two story rear foyer....and NO temperature control is not an issue. If you have the requisite budget and a good architect/engineer, there are zero issues.

I'd be curious what your "minimal" utility bills are like. Not that I'd believe any number you post, but what your actual bills are like.

10k sq ft home. Max winter gas bill jan-February timeframe, thermostat at 78, three units, plus a bunch of other shit running - $375. Summer, max electric bill , July-August, thermostat at 76, $200. Note that we have gas cooking, 75gal gas water tank, 3 refrigerators, outdoor lighting, septic pumps, etc, etc which are obviously part f the monthly billing. Home is all brick, 2x6 construction, r23 walls, r53 roof, selected areas open cell foam nsulation, Marvin high perm windows, etc. furnace units are high end Trane with 95% AFU. Looked into geothermal but not yet sold on the technology.

LOL at your idea of "minimal." Your math skills must rival mine.

I believe your wealth is minimal and cannot rival his

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I love that you think an almost $400 gas bill is minimal.

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Anonymous wrote:This is so silly. If your HVAC system is working properly, there are no issues with two story space.

The laws of physics beg to differ with you. Hot air rises which means the lower part of the foyer is always chilly with air conditioning or lack of heat, while the upper part of the foyer is overly warm to hot.

You see, the other part of this is the location of cold air returns, heat exchangers and ERV units, all of which regulate the temperature of fresh air and also have something called zone control where you can put more warm air or cool air in different parts of the house, within the zone.

You aren't getting this in a simple two zone system.

I am taking it easy on you because I understand that you have no idea what you are talking about.

Thanks for the condescension, but as a mechanical engineer, I might say the same about you. You are describing a very expensive system that takes endless tinkering for a homeowner who will not take the time to do the work. Ask OP if she ir he will do more than monitor two or three zones and get back to me.

We recently custom built a home with 3 zones (one for each level) with a whole house ERV/HRV for air exchange with the outside. Works great and very comfortable with minimal utility bills. YES..we have a two story rear foyer....and NO temperature control is not an issue. If you have the requisite budget and a good architect/engineer, there are zero issues.

I'd be curious what your "minimal" utility bills are like. Not that I'd believe any number you post, but what your actual bills are like.

10k sq ft home. Max winter gas bill jan-February timeframe, thermostat at 78, three units, plus a bunch of other shit running - $375. Summer, max electric bill , July-August, thermostat at 76, $200. Note that we have gas cooking, 75gal gas water tank, 3 refrigerators, outdoor lighting, septic pumps, etc, etc which are obviously part f the monthly billing. Home is all brick, 2x6 construction, r23 walls, r53 roof, selected areas open cell foam nsulation, Marvin high perm windows, etc. furnace units are high end Trane with 95% AFU. Looked into geothermal but not yet sold on the technology.

LOL at your idea of "minimal." Your math skills must rival mine.

I believe your wealth is minimal and cannot rival his

So? Is wealth the measure of a good person? No, it isn't.

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Anonymous wrote:I love that you think an almost $400 gas bill is minimal.

When you are wealthy, minimal is relative.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is so silly. If your HVAC system is working properly, there are no issues with two story space.

The laws of physics beg to differ with you. Hot air rises which means the lower part of the foyer is always chilly with air conditioning or lack of heat, while the upper part of the foyer is overly warm to hot.

You see, the other part of this is the location of cold air returns, heat exchangers and ERV units, all of which regulate the temperature of fresh air and also have something called zone control where you can put more warm air or cool air in different parts of the house, within the zone.

You aren't getting this in a simple two zone system.

I am taking it easy on you because I understand that you have no idea what you are talking about.

Thanks for the condescension, but as a mechanical engineer, I might say the same about you. You are describing a very expensive system that takes endless tinkering for a homeowner who will not take the time to do the work. Ask OP if she ir he will do more than monitor two or three zones and get back to me.

We recently custom built a home with 3 zones (one for each level) with a whole house ERV/HRV for air exchange with the outside. Works great and very comfortable with minimal utility bills. YES..we have a two story rear foyer....and NO temperature control is not an issue. If you have the requisite budget and a good architect/engineer, there are zero issues.

I'd be curious what your "minimal" utility bills are like. Not that I'd believe any number you post, but what your actual bills are like.

10k sq ft home. Max winter gas bill jan-February timeframe, thermostat at 78, three units, plus a bunch of other shit running - $375. Summer, max electric bill , July-August, thermostat at 76, $200. Note that we have gas cooking, 75gal gas water tank, 3 refrigerators, outdoor lighting, septic pumps, etc, etc which are obviously part f the monthly billing. Home is all brick, 2x6 construction, r23 walls, r53 roof, selected areas open cell foam nsulation, Marvin high perm windows, etc. furnace units are high end Trane with 95% AFU. Looked into geothermal but not yet sold on the technology.

LOL at your idea of "minimal." Your math skills must rival mine.

I believe your wealth is minimal and cannot rival his

So? Is wealth the measure of a good person? No, it isn't.

Good person? WTF are you talking about? Stay on topic!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is so silly. If your HVAC system is working properly, there are no issues with two story space.

The laws of physics beg to differ with you. Hot air rises which means the lower part of the foyer is always chilly with air conditioning or lack of heat, while the upper part of the foyer is overly warm to hot.

You see, the other part of this is the location of cold air returns, heat exchangers and ERV units, all of which regulate the temperature of fresh air and also have something called zone control where you can put more warm air or cool air in different parts of the house, within the zone.

You aren't getting this in a simple two zone system.

I am taking it easy on you because I understand that you have no idea what you are talking about.

Thanks for the condescension, but as a mechanical engineer, I might say the same about you. You are describing a very expensive system that takes endless tinkering for a homeowner who will not take the time to do the work. Ask OP if she ir he will do more than monitor two or three zones and get back to me.

We recently custom built a home with 3 zones (one for each level) with a whole house ERV/HRV for air exchange with the outside. Works great and very comfortable with minimal utility bills. YES..we have a two story rear foyer....and NO temperature control is not an issue. If you have the requisite budget and a good architect/engineer, there are zero issues.

I think it's great that each of the sister wives gets to have her own ait conditioning zone.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I love that you think an almost $400 gas bill is minimal.

When you are wealthy, minimal is relative.

$400 may be relatively "nothing" for a wealthy person, but it indicates an enormous amount of energy used. So much for "efficiency."

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Anonymous wrote:I love that you think an almost $400 gas bill is minimal.

When you are wealthy, minimal is relative.

$400 may be relatively "nothing" for a wealthy person, but it indicates an enormous amount of energy used. So much for "efficiency."

Well, there's nothing minimal about the OP's 10000 square foot home. Is $400/month during the winter "cheap" for such a large home? I have no idea. For comparison purposes, the private residential quarters of the White House are approximately 20,000 square feet.

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Anonymous wrote:I love that you think an almost $400 gas bill is minimal.

When you are wealthy, minimal is relative.

$400 may be relatively "nothing" for a wealthy person, but it indicates an enormous amount of energy used. So much for "efficiency."

But it IS efficient for that size of home. Stop thinking total cost and start thinking cost per unit basis. You have to understand that not everyone can handle storing pots and pans inside the oven. Some people just can't deal with that.

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Anonymous wrote:I love that you think an almost $400 gas bill is minimal.

When you are wealthy, minimal is relative.

$400 may be relatively "nothing" for a wealthy person, but it indicates an enormous amount of energy used. So much for "efficiency."

But it IS efficient for that size of home. Stop thinking total cost and start thinking cost per unit basis. You have to understand that not everyone can handle storing pots and pans inside the oven. Some people just can't deal with that.

You should understand by your age that there's a lot in between "studio apartment with no storage and a kitchenette" and "a 10000 sq ft fauxme."

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Also, you gotta keep it at 76 to keep the bill that "low"? This may be the pregnancy talking, but at that point, it's getting pretty warm inside. So much for "efficient."