Sanders is the real feminist in this race

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Bernie may have been consistent in his voting record but his leadership skills are untested because he refuses to lead the charge on anything. I'm very concerned about what appears to be a complete unwillingness to compromise - because he can't just govern the progressive minority. He has to govern the entire country, and all of the people in it. If he thinks he's going to get anything done without compromising, well, we're going to end up in a 4 year stalemate where absolutely nothing gets done and no one benefits.

I also firmly believe that his "free college tuition" plan will cause the inequality gap to widen because it will make public colleges and universities very difficult to get into (so only top students will be able to get in), and will drive underrepresented and low SES students to private school (where they will graduate with high debt loads). I think the rising cost of college can be addressed in other, more effective, ways that don't exclude underrepresented and underserved populations from public schools.

His campaign conveniently ignores the root causes of the widening inequality gap which I see as (1) a lack of high quality childcare available to every working family (raising the federal minimum wage isn't going to make working class families capable of paying for high quality childcare here in DC), and (2) addressing the huge gaps in primary and secondary education in lower SES communities. Raising teacher salaries and improving services available to underserved and underrepresented students in primary and secondary schools - which is compulsory here in the US - would be a much better use of resources than giving tuition free college to the middle and upper middle class.

Bernie can have the most perfect voting record in the world - his leadership skills are untested and probably nonexistent. He has not shown an ability to take ideas and turn them into action. He has not shown an ability to get others on board with his ideas so that his brilliant plans can become reality. Without that, he's not qualified to be president because gaining an office is not the same as honing those skills. He will not be respected just because he was elected. He will still be that crazy guy from the Hill without any leadership skills.

Most of what you are saying here is opinion but I have to say that Sanders has been very outspoken on childcare.

Here is a quote and an article:

"Sanders’ family benefits package has three parts to it, only one of which is, strictly speaking, new. The first part is an endorsement of Senator Kirsten Gillibrand’s FAMILY Act, which levies a small payroll tax to fund twelve weeks of publicly financed, job-protected paid leave for parents of newborns. Under the FAMILY Act, parents would receive welfare payments equal to 66 percent of their prior pay to allow them to support themselves while caring for and bonding with their babies. Sanders has long supported the FAMILY Act.

The second part is an endorsement of Senator Patty Murray’s Healthy Families Act, which mandates that employers provide earned sick leave for their employees. Under the existing legislation, employers would be required to provide a minimum of one hour of earned sick leave for every 30 hours worked, up to seven days of paid sick leave per year. In effect, the bill mandates that employers provide around 3 percent of employee compensation in the form of sick leave. Sanders has long supported the FAMILY Act, too.

The final part, and the only new part, is the Guaranteed Paid Vacation Act, which would mandate that employers provide 10 days of paid vacation for all employees that have worked under the employer for at least a year. This mandate would significantly increase minimum vacation leave from the current level—zero days—but it would still lag many other countries like France (30 days) and the Nordic countries (25 days). "

https://newrepublic.com/article/122027/bernie-sanderss-family-friendly-agenda-crushes-competition

Paid family leave, and paid sick leave, and paid maternity leave are NOT the same thing as affordable CHILDCARE for working families. Infants and toddlers need to be in high quality childcare when their mothers and fathers are at work. Not just have parents who can stay home when they are sick.

Sorry, reposting because the quote box didn't work

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a NP in this thread.

They said that in 2007. In 2013 CDF honored her at their 40th anniversary for her work in child advocacy. http://www.childrensdefense.org/newsroom/cdf-in-th.../honoring-hillary-clinton.html (that's on CDF's website - not an opinion piece). It doesn't appear that they are active in politics, or I can't find an endorsement anywhere. They may not have a political action arm in the same way planned parenthood does.

Bernie may have been consistent in his voting record but his leadership skills are untested because he refuses to lead the charge on anything. I'm very concerned about what appears to be a complete unwillingness to compromise - because he can't just govern the progressive minority. He has to govern the entire country, and all of the people in it. If he thinks he's going to get anything done without compromising, well, we're going to end up in a 4 year stalemate where absolutely nothing gets done and no one benefits.

I also firmly believe that his "free college tuition" plan will cause the inequality gap to widen because it will make public colleges and universities very difficult to get into (so only top students will be able to get in), and will drive underrepresented and low SES students to private school (where they will graduate with high debt loads). I think the rising cost of college can be addressed in other, more effective, ways that don't exclude underrepresented and underserved populations from public schools.

His campaign conveniently ignores the root causes of the widening inequality gap which I see as (1) a lack of high quality childcare available to every working family (raising the federal minimum wage isn't going to make working class families capable of paying for high quality childcare here in DC), and (2) addressing the huge gaps in primary and secondary education in lower SES communities. Raising teacher salaries and improving services available to underserved and underrepresented students in primary and secondary schools - which is compulsory here in the US - would be a much better use of resources than giving tuition free college to the middle and upper middle class.

Bernie can have the most perfect voting record in the world - his leadership skills are untested and probably nonexistent. He has not shown an ability to take ideas and turn them into action. He has not shown an ability to get others on board with his ideas so that his brilliant plans can become reality. Without that, he's not qualified to be president because gaining an office is not the same as honing those skills. He will not be respected just because he was elected. He will still be that crazy guy from the Hill without any leadership skills.

y

I agree with your fourth paragraph, but I haven't seen Clinton address affordable childcare.

You may be right about the leadership thing, but it reminded me that the same was said about Obama. It was pretty easy to draw a distinction between the leadership of their campaigns in the 2008 primary and Clinton's leadership was pretty poor. Reflecting on her tenures in the Senate and as Secretary of State, nothing jumps out in the leadership. I remember wondering why it was Susan Rice on all the talk shows after the Benghazi attacks. I'm not one who thinks she's at fault, but it was a strange moment to step back from leadership.

I think presenting a challenge to the candidate who was supposed to be the easy shoo-in is absolute proof that Sanders can get others on board to support his ideas. It's weird to say that he's incapable of compromise, when that's the only way he can get the legislation he champions on the floor. Having principals and standing by them is a detraction for players in the two party system, but in Sanders case, it's a big part of the attraction.

What legislation does he champion? What legislation has he "Introduced" and created from scratch? The answer: I can't find any. Please provide links and some examples.

HRC has talked a little about affordable childcare, and she is a champion for education. Bernie has done very little related to early childhood education, and nothing for primary and secondary school. Instead he wants to provide free college tuition to middle and upper middle class whites, and widen the inequality gap.

That is just not factual. Here is one piece of legislation that people on this very thread are saying he has nothing to do with:

WASHINGTON, Feb. 17 2011 - Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) has introduced legislation to provide child care and early education to all children six weeks old through kindergarten. The Foundations for Success Act would provide pre-school children with a full range of services, leading to success in school and critical support for hard-pressed families nationwide.


http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/release-sanders-proposes-early-child-care-program

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Bernie may have been consistent in his voting record but his leadership skills are untested because he refuses to lead the charge on anything. I'm very concerned about what appears to be a complete unwillingness to compromise - because he can't just govern the progressive minority. He has to govern the entire country, and all of the people in it. If he thinks he's going to get anything done without compromising, well, we're going to end up in a 4 year stalemate where absolutely nothing gets done and no one benefits.

I also firmly believe that his "free college tuition" plan will cause the inequality gap to widen because it will make public colleges and universities very difficult to get into (so only top students will be able to get in), and will drive underrepresented and low SES students to private school (where they will graduate with high debt loads). I think the rising cost of college can be addressed in other, more effective, ways that don't exclude underrepresented and underserved populations from public schools.

His campaign conveniently ignores the root causes of the widening inequality gap which I see as (1) a lack of high quality childcare available to every working family (raising the federal minimum wage isn't going to make working class families capable of paying for high quality childcare here in DC), and (2) addressing the huge gaps in primary and secondary education in lower SES communities. Raising teacher salaries and improving services available to underserved and underrepresented students in primary and secondary schools - which is compulsory here in the US - would be a much better use of resources than giving tuition free college to the middle and upper middle class.

Bernie can have the most perfect voting record in the world - his leadership skills are untested and probably nonexistent. He has not shown an ability to take ideas and turn them into action. He has not shown an ability to get others on board with his ideas so that his brilliant plans can become reality. Without that, he's not qualified to be president because gaining an office is not the same as honing those skills. He will not be respected just because he was elected. He will still be that crazy guy from the Hill without any leadership skills.

Most of what you are saying here is opinion but I have to say that Sanders has been very outspoken on childcare.

Here is a quote and an article:

"Sanders’ family benefits package has three parts to it, only one of which is, strictly speaking, new. The first part is an endorsement of Senator Kirsten Gillibrand’s FAMILY Act, which levies a small payroll tax to fund twelve weeks of publicly financed, job-protected paid leave for parents of newborns. Under the FAMILY Act, parents would receive welfare payments equal to 66 percent of their prior pay to allow them to support themselves while caring for and bonding with their babies. Sanders has long supported the FAMILY Act.

The second part is an endorsement of Senator Patty Murray’s Healthy Families Act, which mandates that employers provide earned sick leave for their employees. Under the existing legislation, employers would be required to provide a minimum of one hour of earned sick leave for every 30 hours worked, up to seven days of paid sick leave per year. In effect, the bill mandates that employers provide around 3 percent of employee compensation in the form of sick leave. Sanders has long supported the FAMILY Act, too.

The final part, and the only new part, is the Guaranteed Paid Vacation Act, which would mandate that employers provide 10 days of paid vacation for all employees that have worked under the employer for at least a year. This mandate would significantly increase minimum vacation leave from the current level—zero days—but it would still lag many other countries like France (30 days) and the Nordic countries (25 days). "

https://newrepublic.com/article/122027/bernie-sanderss-family-friendly-agenda-crushes-competition

Paid family leave, and paid sick leave, and paid maternity leave are NOT the same thing as affordable CHILDCARE for working families. Infants and toddlers need to be in high quality childcare when their mothers and fathers are at work. Not just have parents who can stay home when they are sick.

Sorry, reposting because the quote box didn't work

I know. I completed the post later. I hit "Submit" too soon.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

What legislation does he champion? What legislation has he "Introduced" and created from scratch? The answer: I can't find any. Please provide links and some examples.

HRC has talked a little about affordable childcare, and she is a champion for education. Bernie has done very little related to early childhood education, and nothing for primary and secondary school. Instead he wants to provide free college tuition to middle and upper middle class whites, and widen the inequality gap.

He was involved in VA legislation as the committee chairman--a position he was given because he is part of the establishment.

He is also cited as the "amendment king" which seems like a nice way of saying he is never involved in crafting the main piece of legislation. Or, his amendments are simply the price of his vote.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

What legislation does he champion? What legislation has he "Introduced" and created from scratch? The answer: I can't find any. Please provide links and some examples.

HRC has talked a little about affordable childcare, and she is a champion for education. Bernie has done very little related to early childhood education, and nothing for primary and secondary school. Instead he wants to provide free college tuition to middle and upper middle class whites, and widen the inequality gap.

He was involved in VA legislation as the committee chairman--a position he was given because he is part of the establishment.

He is also cited as the "amendment king" which seems like a nice way of saying he is never involved in crafting the main piece of legislation. Or, his amendments are simply the price of his vote.

Please see the above link to his childcare legislation. You need to start looking at the facts instead of spouting off Clinton rhetoric.

As far as I can tell, his childcare plan is far more comprehensive than Clinton's. Correct me if I am wrong but I believe she only proposes a tax credit for childcare.

[Anonymous]

Please see the above link to his childcare legislation. You need to start looking at the facts instead of spouting off Clinton rhetoric.

As far as I can tell, his childcare plan is far more comprehensive than Clinton's. Correct me if I am wrong but I believe she only proposes a tax credit for childcare.

You are incorrect. She has also called for doubling our investment in Head Start and Early Start, which would provide high quality child care/preschool to millions of low income families. (https://www.hillaryclinton.com/briefing/factsheets/2015/06/14/fact-sheet-universal-preschool/)

[Anonymous]

His campaign conveniently ignores the root causes of the widening inequality gap which I see as (1) a lack of high quality childcare available to every working family (raising the federal minimum wage isn't going to make working class families capable of paying for high quality childcare here in DC), and (2) addressing the huge gaps in primary and secondary education in lower SES communities. Raising teacher salaries and improving services available to underserved and underrepresented students in primary and secondary schools - which is compulsory here in the US - would be a much better use of resources than giving tuition free college to the middle and upper middle class.

Here is a quote from Sanders on teacher salaries from ontheissues.org:

Teacher pay: "Something is very wrong when, last year, the top twenty-five hedge fund managers earned more than the combined income of 425,000 public school teachers. We have to get our priorities right."

Here is the link to his education record. There is a lot about college but he addresses all levels of education.

http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Bernie_Sanders_Education.htm

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a NP in this thread.

They said that in 2007. In 2013 CDF honored her at their 40th anniversary for her work in child advocacy. http://www.childrensdefense.org/newsroom/cdf-in-th.../honoring-hillary-clinton.html (that's on CDF's website - not an opinion piece). It doesn't appear that they are active in politics, or I can't find an endorsement anywhere. They may not have a political action arm in the same way planned parenthood does.

Bernie may have been consistent in his voting record but his leadership skills are untested because he refuses to lead the charge on anything. I'm very concerned about what appears to be a complete unwillingness to compromise - because he can't just govern the progressive minority. He has to govern the entire country, and all of the people in it. If he thinks he's going to get anything done without compromising, well, we're going to end up in a 4 year stalemate where absolutely nothing gets done and no one benefits.

I also firmly believe that his "free college tuition" plan will cause the inequality gap to widen because it will make public colleges and universities very difficult to get into (so only top students will be able to get in), and will drive underrepresented and low SES students to private school (where they will graduate with high debt loads). I think the rising cost of college can be addressed in other, more effective, ways that don't exclude underrepresented and underserved populations from public schools.

His campaign conveniently ignores the root causes of the widening inequality gap which I see as (1) a lack of high quality childcare available to every working family (raising the federal minimum wage isn't going to make working class families capable of paying for high quality childcare here in DC), and (2) addressing the huge gaps in primary and secondary education in lower SES communities. Raising teacher salaries and improving services available to underserved and underrepresented students in primary and secondary schools - which is compulsory here in the US - would be a much better use of resources than giving tuition free college to the middle and upper middle class.

Bernie can have the most perfect voting record in the world - his leadership skills are untested and probably nonexistent. He has not shown an ability to take ideas and turn them into action. He has not shown an ability to get others on board with his ideas so that his brilliant plans can become reality. Without that, he's not qualified to be president because gaining an office is not the same as honing those skills. He will not be respected just because he was elected. He will still be that crazy guy from the Hill without any leadership skills.

y

I agree with your fourth paragraph, but I haven't seen Clinton address affordable childcare.

You may be right about the leadership thing, but it reminded me that the same was said about Obama. It was pretty easy to draw a distinction between the leadership of their campaigns in the 2008 primary and Clinton's leadership was pretty poor. Reflecting on her tenures in the Senate and as Secretary of State, nothing jumps out in the leadership. I remember wondering why it was Susan Rice on all the talk shows after the Benghazi attacks. I'm not one who thinks she's at fault, but it was a strange moment to step back from leadership.

I think presenting a challenge to the candidate who was supposed to be the easy shoo-in is absolute proof that Sanders can get others on board to support his ideas. It's weird to say that he's incapable of compromise, when that's the only way he can get the legislation he champions on the floor. Having principals and standing by them is a detraction for players in the two party system, but in Sanders case, it's a big part of the attraction.

What legislation does he champion? What legislation has he "Introduced" and created from scratch? The answer: I can't find any. Please provide links and some examples.

HRC has talked a little about affordable childcare, and she is a champion for education. Bernie has done very little related to early childhood education, and nothing for primary and secondary school. Instead he wants to provide free college tuition to middle and upper middle class whites, and widen the inequality gap.

That is just not factual. Here is one piece of legislation that people on this very thread are saying he has nothing to do with:

WASHINGTON, Feb. 17 2011 - Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) has introduced legislation to provide child care and early education to all children six weeks old through kindergarten. The Foundations for Success Act would provide pre-school children with a full range of services, leading to success in school and critical support for hard-pressed families nationwide.


http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/release-sanders-proposes-early-child-care-program

Please don't pretend that this legislation will provide affordable care to all children.

"A competitive grant program would allow 10 states to launch the program. Additional states would be phased in after three years. In order to participate, states would have to establish high standards for early child care and education. Participating states also would have to ensure that qualified teachers participate in the program. "

This is not an expansive program - the funding is competitive, and is not guaranteed to all states that meet the conditions. And other than his website, information on it is very slim.

Yet he wants to spend how many BILLIONS of tax dollars to send middle class kids to college tuition free? Spend that money on childcare and primary/secondary schools instead. Then I will change my vote.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Please see the above link to his childcare legislation. You need to start looking at the facts instead of spouting off Clinton rhetoric.

As far as I can tell, his childcare plan is far more comprehensive than Clinton's. Correct me if I am wrong but I believe she only proposes a tax credit for childcare.

You are incorrect. She has also called for doubling our investment in Head Start and Early Start, which would provide high quality child care/preschool to millions of low income families. (https://www.hillaryclinton.com/briefing/factsheets/2015/06/14/fact-sheet-universal-preschool/)

That is early childhood education which is different from childcare.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Please see the above link to his childcare legislation. You need to start looking at the facts instead of spouting off Clinton rhetoric.

As far as I can tell, his childcare plan is far more comprehensive than Clinton's. Correct me if I am wrong but I believe she only proposes a tax credit for childcare.

You are incorrect. She has also called for doubling our investment in Head Start and Early Start, which would provide high quality child care/preschool to millions of low income families. (https://www.hillaryclinton.com/briefing/factsheets/2015/06/14/fact-sheet-universal-preschool/)

That is early childhood education which is different from childcare.

Not true. Early and Head start provide programming to families that qualify from BIRTH to the start of Kindergarten. http://www.benefits.gov/benefits/benefit-details/1902

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a NP in this thread.

They said that in 2007. In 2013 CDF honored her at their 40th anniversary for her work in child advocacy. http://www.childrensdefense.org/newsroom/cdf-in-th.../honoring-hillary-clinton.html (that's on CDF's website - not an opinion piece). It doesn't appear that they are active in politics, or I can't find an endorsement anywhere. They may not have a political action arm in the same way planned parenthood does.

Bernie may have been consistent in his voting record but his leadership skills are untested because he refuses to lead the charge on anything. I'm very concerned about what appears to be a complete unwillingness to compromise - because he can't just govern the progressive minority. He has to govern the entire country, and all of the people in it. If he thinks he's going to get anything done without compromising, well, we're going to end up in a 4 year stalemate where absolutely nothing gets done and no one benefits.

I also firmly believe that his "free college tuition" plan will cause the inequality gap to widen because it will make public colleges and universities very difficult to get into (so only top students will be able to get in), and will drive underrepresented and low SES students to private school (where they will graduate with high debt loads). I think the rising cost of college can be addressed in other, more effective, ways that don't exclude underrepresented and underserved populations from public schools.

His campaign conveniently ignores the root causes of the widening inequality gap which I see as (1) a lack of high quality childcare available to every working family (raising the federal minimum wage isn't going to make working class families capable of paying for high quality childcare here in DC), and (2) addressing the huge gaps in primary and secondary education in lower SES communities. Raising teacher salaries and improving services available to underserved and underrepresented students in primary and secondary schools - which is compulsory here in the US - would be a much better use of resources than giving tuition free college to the middle and upper middle class.

Bernie can have the most perfect voting record in the world - his leadership skills are untested and probably nonexistent. He has not shown an ability to take ideas and turn them into action. He has not shown an ability to get others on board with his ideas so that his brilliant plans can become reality. Without that, he's not qualified to be president because gaining an office is not the same as honing those skills. He will not be respected just because he was elected. He will still be that crazy guy from the Hill without any leadership skills.

y

I agree with your fourth paragraph, but I haven't seen Clinton address affordable childcare.

You may be right about the leadership thing, but it reminded me that the same was said about Obama. It was pretty easy to draw a distinction between the leadership of their campaigns in the 2008 primary and Clinton's leadership was pretty poor. Reflecting on her tenures in the Senate and as Secretary of State, nothing jumps out in the leadership. I remember wondering why it was Susan Rice on all the talk shows after the Benghazi attacks. I'm not one who thinks she's at fault, but it was a strange moment to step back from leadership.

I think presenting a challenge to the candidate who was supposed to be the easy shoo-in is absolute proof that Sanders can get others on board to support his ideas. It's weird to say that he's incapable of compromise, when that's the only way he can get the legislation he champions on the floor. Having principals and standing by them is a detraction for players in the two party system, but in Sanders case, it's a big part of the attraction.

What legislation does he champion? What legislation has he "Introduced" and created from scratch? The answer: I can't find any. Please provide links and some examples.

HRC has talked a little about affordable childcare, and she is a champion for education. Bernie has done very little related to early childhood education, and nothing for primary and secondary school. Instead he wants to provide free college tuition to middle and upper middle class whites, and widen the inequality gap.

That is just not factual. Here is one piece of legislation that people on this very thread are saying he has nothing to do with:

WASHINGTON, Feb. 17 2011 - Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) has introduced legislation to provide child care and early education to all children six weeks old through kindergarten. The Foundations for Success Act would provide pre-school children with a full range of services, leading to success in school and critical support for hard-pressed families nationwide.


http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/release-sanders-proposes-early-child-care-program

Please don't pretend that this legislation will provide affordable care to all children.

"A competitive grant program would allow 10 states to launch the program. Additional states would be phased in after three years. In order to participate, states would have to establish high standards for early child care and education. Participating states also would have to ensure that qualified teachers participate in the program. "

This is not an expansive program - the funding is competitive, and is not guaranteed to all states that meet the conditions. And other than his website, information on it is very slim.

Yet he wants to spend how many BILLIONS of tax dollars to send middle class kids to college tuition free? Spend that money on childcare and primary/secondary schools instead. Then I will change my vote.

So...sorry Sanders supporters, this bill is not one for the Win column. He "Introduced" it. It went exactly nowhere. It didn't even get voted on according to the following link. So much for it demonstrating his leadership skills. https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/s294

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a NP in this thread.

They said that in 2007. In 2013 CDF honored her at their 40th anniversary for her work in child advocacy. http://www.childrensdefense.org/newsroom/cdf-in-th.../honoring-hillary-clinton.html (that's on CDF's website - not an opinion piece). It doesn't appear that they are active in politics, or I can't find an endorsement anywhere. They may not have a political action arm in the same way planned parenthood does.

Bernie may have been consistent in his voting record but his leadership skills are untested because he refuses to lead the charge on anything. I'm very concerned about what appears to be a complete unwillingness to compromise - because he can't just govern the progressive minority. He has to govern the entire country, and all of the people in it. If he thinks he's going to get anything done without compromising, well, we're going to end up in a 4 year stalemate where absolutely nothing gets done and no one benefits.

I also firmly believe that his "free college tuition" plan will cause the inequality gap to widen because it will make public colleges and universities very difficult to get into (so only top students will be able to get in), and will drive underrepresented and low SES students to private school (where they will graduate with high debt loads). I think the rising cost of college can be addressed in other, more effective, ways that don't exclude underrepresented and underserved populations from public schools.

His campaign conveniently ignores the root causes of the widening inequality gap which I see as (1) a lack of high quality childcare available to every working family (raising the federal minimum wage isn't going to make working class families capable of paying for high quality childcare here in DC), and (2) addressing the huge gaps in primary and secondary education in lower SES communities. Raising teacher salaries and improving services available to underserved and underrepresented students in primary and secondary schools - which is compulsory here in the US - would be a much better use of resources than giving tuition free college to the middle and upper middle class.

Bernie can have the most perfect voting record in the world - his leadership skills are untested and probably nonexistent. He has not shown an ability to take ideas and turn them into action. He has not shown an ability to get others on board with his ideas so that his brilliant plans can become reality. Without that, he's not qualified to be president because gaining an office is not the same as honing those skills. He will not be respected just because he was elected. He will still be that crazy guy from the Hill without any leadership skills.

y

I agree with your fourth paragraph, but I haven't seen Clinton address affordable childcare.

You may be right about the leadership thing, but it reminded me that the same was said about Obama. It was pretty easy to draw a distinction between the leadership of their campaigns in the 2008 primary and Clinton's leadership was pretty poor. Reflecting on her tenures in the Senate and as Secretary of State, nothing jumps out in the leadership. I remember wondering why it was Susan Rice on all the talk shows after the Benghazi attacks. I'm not one who thinks she's at fault, but it was a strange moment to step back from leadership.

I think presenting a challenge to the candidate who was supposed to be the easy shoo-in is absolute proof that Sanders can get others on board to support his ideas. It's weird to say that he's incapable of compromise, when that's the only way he can get the legislation he champions on the floor. Having principals and standing by them is a detraction for players in the two party system, but in Sanders case, it's a big part of the attraction.

What legislation does he champion? What legislation has he "Introduced" and created from scratch? The answer: I can't find any. Please provide links and some examples.

HRC has talked a little about affordable childcare, and she is a champion for education. Bernie has done very little related to early childhood education, and nothing for primary and secondary school. Instead he wants to provide free college tuition to middle and upper middle class whites, and widen the inequality gap.

That is just not factual. Here is one piece of legislation that people on this very thread are saying he has nothing to do with:

WASHINGTON, Feb. 17 2011 - Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) has introduced legislation to provide child care and early education to all children six weeks old through kindergarten. The Foundations for Success Act would provide pre-school children with a full range of services, leading to success in school and critical support for hard-pressed families nationwide.


http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/release-sanders-proposes-early-child-care-program

Please don't pretend that this legislation will provide affordable care to all children.

"A competitive grant program would allow 10 states to launch the program. Additional states would be phased in after three years. In order to participate, states would have to establish high standards for early child care and education. Participating states also would have to ensure that qualified teachers participate in the program. "

This is not an expansive program - the funding is competitive, and is not guaranteed to all states that meet the conditions. And other than his website, information on it is very slim.

Yet he wants to spend how many BILLIONS of tax dollars to send middle class kids to college tuition free? Spend that money on childcare and primary/secondary schools instead. Then I will change my vote.

Let me clarify. That was legislation Sanders introduced in 2011. I posted that to show that he has, in fact, introduced childcare legislation before running for president. He has said that his childcare plan if he is elected president would be more comprehensive. Here he is at a town hall talking about the importance of quality childcare. He is quite moving on this and it shows that he is not prioritizing only for college.

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc-news/watch/sanders-on-affordable-child-care-625925187946

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a NP in this thread.

They said that in 2007. In 2013 CDF honored her at their 40th anniversary for her work in child advocacy. http://www.childrensdefense.org/newsroom/cdf-in-th.../honoring-hillary-clinton.html (that's on CDF's website - not an opinion piece). It doesn't appear that they are active in politics, or I can't find an endorsement anywhere. They may not have a political action arm in the same way planned parenthood does.

Bernie may have been consistent in his voting record but his leadership skills are untested because he refuses to lead the charge on anything. I'm very concerned about what appears to be a complete unwillingness to compromise - because he can't just govern the progressive minority. He has to govern the entire country, and all of the people in it. If he thinks he's going to get anything done without compromising, well, we're going to end up in a 4 year stalemate where absolutely nothing gets done and no one benefits.

I also firmly believe that his "free college tuition" plan will cause the inequality gap to widen because it will make public colleges and universities very difficult to get into (so only top students will be able to get in), and will drive underrepresented and low SES students to private school (where they will graduate with high debt loads). I think the rising cost of college can be addressed in other, more effective, ways that don't exclude underrepresented and underserved populations from public schools.

His campaign conveniently ignores the root causes of the widening inequality gap which I see as (1) a lack of high quality childcare available to every working family (raising the federal minimum wage isn't going to make working class families capable of paying for high quality childcare here in DC), and (2) addressing the huge gaps in primary and secondary education in lower SES communities. Raising teacher salaries and improving services available to underserved and underrepresented students in primary and secondary schools - which is compulsory here in the US - would be a much better use of resources than giving tuition free college to the middle and upper middle class.

Bernie can have the most perfect voting record in the world - his leadership skills are untested and probably nonexistent. He has not shown an ability to take ideas and turn them into action. He has not shown an ability to get others on board with his ideas so that his brilliant plans can become reality. Without that, he's not qualified to be president because gaining an office is not the same as honing those skills. He will not be respected just because he was elected. He will still be that crazy guy from the Hill without any leadership skills.

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I agree with your fourth paragraph, but I haven't seen Clinton address affordable childcare.

You may be right about the leadership thing, but it reminded me that the same was said about Obama. It was pretty easy to draw a distinction between the leadership of their campaigns in the 2008 primary and Clinton's leadership was pretty poor. Reflecting on her tenures in the Senate and as Secretary of State, nothing jumps out in the leadership. I remember wondering why it was Susan Rice on all the talk shows after the Benghazi attacks. I'm not one who thinks she's at fault, but it was a strange moment to step back from leadership.

I think presenting a challenge to the candidate who was supposed to be the easy shoo-in is absolute proof that Sanders can get others on board to support his ideas. It's weird to say that he's incapable of compromise, when that's the only way he can get the legislation he champions on the floor. Having principals and standing by them is a detraction for players in the two party system, but in Sanders case, it's a big part of the attraction.

What legislation does he champion? What legislation has he "Introduced" and created from scratch? The answer: I can't find any. Please provide links and some examples.

HRC has talked a little about affordable childcare, and she is a champion for education. Bernie has done very little related to early childhood education, and nothing for primary and secondary school. Instead he wants to provide free college tuition to middle and upper middle class whites, and widen the inequality gap.

That is just not factual. Here is one piece of legislation that people on this very thread are saying he has nothing to do with:

WASHINGTON, Feb. 17 2011 - Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) has introduced legislation to provide child care and early education to all children six weeks old through kindergarten. The Foundations for Success Act would provide pre-school children with a full range of services, leading to success in school and critical support for hard-pressed families nationwide.


http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/release-sanders-proposes-early-child-care-program

Please don't pretend that this legislation will provide affordable care to all children.

"A competitive grant program would allow 10 states to launch the program. Additional states would be phased in after three years. In order to participate, states would have to establish high standards for early child care and education. Participating states also would have to ensure that qualified teachers participate in the program. "

This is not an expansive program - the funding is competitive, and is not guaranteed to all states that meet the conditions. And other than his website, information on it is very slim.

Yet he wants to spend how many BILLIONS of tax dollars to send middle class kids to college tuition free? Spend that money on childcare and primary/secondary schools instead. Then I will change my vote.

So...sorry Sanders supporters, this bill is not one for the Win column. He "Introduced" it. It went exactly nowhere. It didn't even get voted on according to the following link. So much for it demonstrating his leadership skills. https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/s294

You know... the same criticism has been made of Hillary Clinton. Jeb Bush made the statement that her name is only on 3 laws in 8 years. That statement was only partially true but I am unable to see how she has been so much more effective as a politician that Bernie Sanders. The facts simply don't support that statement.

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Please see the above link to his childcare legislation. You need to start looking at the facts instead of spouting off Clinton rhetoric.

As far as I can tell, his childcare plan is far more comprehensive than Clinton's. Correct me if I am wrong but I believe she only proposes a tax credit for childcare.

You are incorrect. She has also called for doubling our investment in Head Start and Early Start, which would provide high quality child care/preschool to millions of low income families. (https://www.hillaryclinton.com/briefing/factsheets/2015/06/14/fact-sheet-universal-preschool/)

That is early childhood education which is different from childcare.

Not true. Early and Head start provide programming to families that qualify from BIRTH to the start of Kindergarten. http://www.benefits.gov/benefits/benefit-details/1902

+1 Also, Clinton's proposal is universal for the whole country, not a pilot program only for those states able to meet a benchmark. The problem with Sanders' suggestion is that the 10 states selected for the pilot project are likely to be the states that least need the assistance, since you have to be offering high quality pre-k programming in order to qualify.

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Please see the above link to his childcare legislation. You need to start looking at the facts instead of spouting off Clinton rhetoric.

As far as I can tell, his childcare plan is far more comprehensive than Clinton's. Correct me if I am wrong but I believe she only proposes a tax credit for childcare.

You are incorrect. She has also called for doubling our investment in Head Start and Early Start, which would provide high quality child care/preschool to millions of low income families. (https://www.hillaryclinton.com/briefing/factsheets/2015/06/14/fact-sheet-universal-preschool/)

That is early childhood education which is different from childcare.

Not true. Early and Head start provide programming to families that qualify from BIRTH to the start of Kindergarten. http://www.benefits.gov/benefits/benefit-details/1902

+1 Also, Clinton's proposal is universal for the whole country, not a pilot program only for those states able to meet a benchmark. The problem with Sanders' suggestion is that the 10 states selected for the pilot project are likely to be the states that least need the assistance, since you have to be offering high quality pre-k programming in order to qualify.

Sigh... once again... that was his proposal in 2011. He is now running for president and is creating a childcare program which would benefit the entire country. I posted that piece of legislation only to show that he has, in fact, introduced childcare legislation.