Move to fly over country for job?

[Anonymous]

Next 20 years? It will not become a giant Flint but these automakers have lost 21 points of market share since 2001 so things are going the wrong way. I would expect GM and Ford to be around as they have so much overseas business but Chrysler is a dead man walking. Probably will continue to slowly die with young people leaving and former residents wishing they could find jobs but cannot. No big companies have relocated to the area and not sure if Snyder is the problem or the solution.

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Anonymous wrote:Next 20 years? It will not become a giant Flint but these automakers have lost 21 points of market share since 2001 so things are going the wrong way. I would expect GM and Ford to be around as they have so much overseas business but Chrysler is a dead man walking. Probably will continue to slowly die with young people leaving and former residents wishing they could find jobs but cannot. No big companies have relocated to the area and not sure if Snyder is the problem or the solution.

I was alluding to the next 20 years in northern Michigan (aka up north). Big money is taking up real estate and business up there to the point locals are being pushed out. Again ... this Michigan / Detroit topic deserves a separate thread if there is further interest.

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Op here - wow, I've never had a post go viral. Or been judged as unqualified for a VP role because my 1 sentence post done on my iPhone one handed had autocorrect issues. DCUM for the win!

DH and I discussed. I am passing on this opportunity - I appreciate all the comments. You brought it all to life and let me see past the glitter of a title. I did once live in a similar type of city and had a scary incident being singled out related to my religion. So, diversity matters to me.

Thanks all. If it was Cleveland or Ann Arbor or Madison, I'd go for it -- but Greenbay is not going to work for us.

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OP, have to ask...what religion are you that you can't find less than 2 hours from Green Bay? Have to admit, I was quite surprised (not knowing much about upper WI) that there are Sikh & Hindu temples there as well as mosques and synagogues !

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Anonymous wrote:Op here - wow, I've never had a post go viral. Or been judged as unqualified for a VP role because my 1 sentence post done on my iPhone one handed had autocorrect issues. DCUM for the win!

DH and I discussed. I am passing on this opportunity - I appreciate all the comments. You brought it all to life and let me see past the glitter of a title. I did once live in a similar type of city and had a scary incident being singled out related to my religion. So, diversity matters to me.

Thanks all. If it was Cleveland or Ann Arbor or Madison, I'd go for it -- but Greenbay is not going to work for us.

^^ "If it were..." And "Green Bay". Looks like they dodged a bullet!

[Anonymous]

Thanks pp... iPhone one handed typing on listserve is not on my resume as a skill. You got me. I missed that course at Yale.

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Anonymous wrote:Thanks pp... iPhone one handed typing on listserve is not on my resume as a skill. You got me. I missed that course at Yale.

Humblebrag alert! Plus, while we are at it, it is Green Bay, not Greenbay.

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Anonymous wrote:Housing is cheap there for a reason. If you don't like talking about sport, your church, hunting, or small talk then you will hate it.

And you know this how? Have you actually talked to anyone outside of your DMV bubble? Such experts about the Midwest on here from people who likely have never been there! Besides, who wouldn't rather talk about sports than school pyramids, FARMS numbers, and HHI? No one I would want to know!

Funny. DC used to be filled with interesting transplants from all over the country and all over the globe. Now it is just full of people who bash other people that don't live in DC or NY.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Housing is cheap there for a reason. If you don't like talking about sport, your church, hunting, or small talk then you will hate it.

And you know this how? Have you actually talked to anyone outside of your DMV bubble? Such experts about the Midwest on here from people who likely have never been there! Besides, who wouldn't rather talk about sports than school pyramids, FARMS numbers, and HHI? No one I would want to know!

Funny. DC used to be filled with interesting transplants from all over the country and all over the globe. Now it is just full of people who bash other people that don't live in DC or NY.

+1. Sad, but true.

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Anonymous wrote:Thanks pp... iPhone one handed typing on listserve is not on my resume as a skill. You got me. I missed that course at Yale.

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Can't blame the iPhone on was vs. were.

Yale? Hahaha. Sure.

[Anonymous]

If you're talking about Omaha, it's actually quite liberal. There are a lot of white people though, but you'd be surprised how many don't practice Christianity.

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Anonymous wrote:Unless you felt like a fish out of water in NYC I would predict a bumpy transition.

There are lots of folks who have lived all over the place reading posts like yours; if you could name the location you're considering you may find more specific helpful advice.

That is an inaccurate statement and an ignorant "generality".

I was born and raised in DC, and have always loved NYC specifically because of the hustle and bustle. Then DH got a job in one of those "flyover cities" that everyone around here loves to hate... ....and not only was the transition very easy but we acclimated very quickly and fell in love with the place. We made great friends, life was slower, our money went much further and our taxes were way lower. Than DH got a big promotion with that same company that required a move back to DC. At first we thought it would be easy to come back because it was so familiar to us, and its where we were from, friends and family there etc. Wrong answer. We lasted 2 years in DC after our 5 year stint in that "flyover city" because we got a taste of what it was like to live in such a wonderful, calm and inviting place. After 2 years we sold the DC house, changed jobs and moved back.

+1 much rather hang out with my Wisconsin friends than rail thin NWDC lawyer mom agonizing over whether Sidwell or GDS would be more likely to get her snowflake into Harvard...

+10000 Wisconsin friends or my sister's friends in St. Paul. G_d, I wish I could....

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Anonymous wrote:OP, sounds like you are talking about Milwaukee. I live in the upper Midwest and also grew up in NYC. The problem I have is how insular places like Milwaukee, Detroit, St. Louis, and Cleveland are. Very few people move in and out. Most of the people grew up, went to school, and married someone locally and have never lived anywhere else. Your spouse is going to go up against people who have friends and family in the area forever. If its a 2-5 year stint, fine, anything else, not great. Cheap housing isn't the only thing in life.

I really don't give a fig what the OP does. Frankly, she sounds too stupid ("cheddar is not mu forte," really?) and small minded for "flyover country. But, I just had to comment because I am so sick of the lies, half-truths, and intellectually lazy assumptions made by people on this board about Milwaukee and other cities like it. I don't know where in the "upper Midwest" this PP lives, but they don't know sh*t about Milwaukee. I grew up there and lived there for 30 years. It is a major city with more Fortune 500 companies relative to its size than San Francisco and a lot of other cities that DCUMers spooge over. It has a sizeable banking sector, major national law and investment firms, and it is an international hub for water and other environmental technologies. As a result, people from all over the country and the world live in Milwaukee. I actually worked at a major law firm there, and most of the people were not originally from Milwaukee. They were from all over the country (even NYC), and the one thing they all agreed on was how great of a place Milwaukee is to live. Yes, a lot of people who are originally from Milwaukee stay, but they stay because it is a great place to raise a family, it has a low cost of living, and it has great restaurants, a wonderful arts and music scene, endless recreational activities, fantastic architecture, and it is on a beautiful lake. No one leaves because who would want to? And those that do usually come back (I personally can't wait to do just that!). But I want to emphasize that these same qualities that keep native Milwaukeeans in Milwaukee has also increasingly attracted other people from other parts of the country and the world. And Milwaukeeans are very welcoming to them, despite what this idiot PP says. And, last of all, Milwaukee is very diverse, it has been majority minority for some time now, so all of the posters out there who are trying to suggest that it is a bastion of whiteness are either to lazy or don't have the brainpower to access Wikipedia.

I'd go in a minute.

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Anonymous wrote:Interviewing for a VP job at a company. Their HQ is based in -what DMVers would describe as flyover country. But housing is 70% cheaper like $200k buys you a fancy 5 bedroom house in a nice suburb.

My spouse would have to give up job for a while and do childcare. It would take a year to relicense in the new state. My salary would be equal to what we both make in DMV.

Let's say diversity is non existent in the city. We fall into the "diversity" category. Weather is cold.. Not a lot of cultural stuff; very conservative (we are liberals).

Worth considering? Or is quality of life more important.

Doesn't sound like a good fit. Or more accurately, from what you have said it doesn't sound like you find it a good fit. Given that, I would say not worth it. Life is now; not tomorrow.

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This is the year 2016. I just don't get how people in DC or NYC think that they spend their time doing more interesting, intellectual, and cultural things than people who live in the Midwest. What do people in DC do? They go to work as doctors, lawyers, engineers, plumbers, teachers, lobbyists, politicians, fire fighters. They go out to eat at fancy restaurants, fast food joints, they buy organic from Whole Foods, or put canned food in a crock pot. They go to the movies, shopping, plays, concerts, bars drinking. They shuttle their kids to a hundred activities or they worry about how they will pay for college. They have intellectual conversations or really stupid ones. They surf the Internet. They exercise and run marathons or they sit on the couch every night. They watch hundreds of hours of television or they read millions of books. People in the Midwest do the exact same things every single day.