Who are these people that actually LIKE Trump?

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Anonymous wrote:A lot of my liberal friends in IT are very concerned with H1B visas I also know a lot of parents who are frustrated that it si so difficult to get into college and are upset that students VISAS are taking the spots of us citizens.

But I bet they don't support Sanders when he says college should be free. So the foreign kids 1) have better grades and 2) can pay. That's what happens when you run colleges like businesses.

If college is free and everyone goes it would make getting in a lot harder.

And a lot of people would end up going that should not be in college and resulting in a dumbing down of higher education.

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This weekend I read an article in the Economist that condescendingly referred to Trump's supporters as "wrinklies." This made me, a 30-something liberal female attorney, so mad! How dare the writers of the Economist disrespect the american voter! In a democracy, the government listens to the people and not the other way around. The liberal elite should not be allowed to impose their own version of the rule of law on America. Over the last twenty years the First Amendment has been almost completely obliterated by the idea of political correctness. People are afraid to say even the simplest things for fear of being misunderstood. Hell, saying "Merry Christmas" is no longer socially acceptable. Laws are enforced at will, or not at all, and the liberal elite feels entitled to disrespect the average Americans, off whose backs they make their living. And this is precisely why people support Trump - because he does not seek to "improve" or "educate" an average voter, but instead shows him respect and actually listens to their opinions - something that, you know, in a democracy, an elected representative is supposed to do.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm an attorney and HHI is over 500k. I like trump. I'll probably say I voted for Rubio or something though if anyone asks me.

+1, though my HHI exceeds $1.3mm. My main concerns with Trump, though, would be his inability to (i) work with Congress, given the failures of the Obama administration in that regard and the obvious cost it has had to our economy, and (ii) attract and retain top talent in senior government positions. The main draw of Trump is his optimism about America ("gonna be great!"), not unlike that of Reagan after the dour Jimmy Carter (shudder) years.

I think you're onto something. I feel like other candidates (Clinton) are slightly embarrassed of America, whereas he has great optimism.

Blue collar whites, so called Reagan democrats, are his main supporters. I think of them as football fans (NFL, college) looking for something to root for, to believe in. They hold America (as they envision it) very dear, and have seen it demoralized and degraded by the Obama administration, which they feel does not value the "real" America. They are patriotic, singing the Star Spangled Banner and saying the Pledge of Allegiance without irony, and likely said a prayer before Thanksgiving dinner. Their children volunteer for military service, and they don't worry about what schools are in the "Big 3" in their communities, because their children attend the local public school. "HYP" means nothing to them. They know how to pronounce "corpsman". No matter how tired, they know that America has 50 states.

Finally, they are terrific people, the backbone of America, and far too often scorned on this board.

Except it's the Republicans that have ruined their American Dream by destroying unions. Their anger is misplaced. And I resent the implication that liberals are not patriots.[/quote
] It isn't the destruction of unions that has ruined the American Dream. It is over regulation and taxation of business that has pushed businesses over seas. Unions don't make a damn bit of difference when there aren't any jobs.

Aren't there corporations paying zero in taxes? I've heard this and doesn't equate with the above. But I don't have the details.

Jesus no. What garbage has Hillary been telling you. Corporations get to deduct expenses just like you and me; they pay taxes on any profit over their expenses. Taxes corporations doesn't make sense IMO though, since they are just tools owned by the principals. The principals are taxed on any profit they withdraw from the corporation.

Thanks for this great reminder, but your simple explanation cannot even be comprehended by many so-called highly educated people. It's futile trying to explain it.



http://www.cnbc.com/2014/08/13/20-big-profitable-us-companies-paid-no-taxes.html

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Anonymous wrote:This weekend I read an article in the Economist that condescendingly referred to Trump's supporters as "wrinklies." This made me, a 30-something liberal female attorney, so mad! How dare the writers of the Economist disrespect the american voter! In a democracy, the government listens to the people and not the other way around. The liberal elite should not be allowed to impose their own version of the rule of law on America. Over the last twenty years the First Amendment has been almost completely obliterated by the idea of political correctness. People are afraid to say even the simplest things for fear of being misunderstood. Hell, saying "Merry Christmas" is no longer socially acceptable. Laws are enforced at will, or not at all, and the liberal elite feels entitled to disrespect the average Americans, off whose backs they make their living. And this is precisely why people support Trump - because he does not seek to "improve" or "educate" an average voter, but instead shows him respect and actually listens to their opinions - something that, you know, in a democracy, an elected representative is supposed to do.

This is OP, and I can see this point as the most logical explanation. And I am also sick and tired of everyone trying to make everything support their idea of PC.

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Anonymous wrote:Come with me to the small towns of Pennsylvania or hang out with the guys taking a smoke break at our warehouse in Beltsville, MD. You'll meet them.

And, yes, they know what you think of them. Your ignorant criticisms of their lives and choices only confirm their support of Trump.

This is exactly right. Throw out the Muslims? I actually find it scary how insular the liberals DC-er's are. I don't agree with Trump but your blatant lack of understanding of how America works is disturbing.

It goes back to education in the hot bed of liberalism (aka colleges and universities). These pillars of indoctrination are not teaching a variety of though, multiple view points or a need to understand that there is more than one way to address an issue. I say this as someone with multiple degrees. Unless or until a balance can be found on university campuses, we will continue to have educated elites who have no understanding of viewpoints that do not aline with what they have been taught to believe.

I would like you to tell us what exactly it is we need to understand about working America. Someone mentioned immigration being a big concern. How many times has Obama asked Congress to ask on this? And how come his administration has had the largest number of deportations?

Here is the salient point: just because a president wants to pass legislation acceptable to him it does not mean that Congress has to abide with his wishes. Obama wanted comprehensive immigration reform which would ultimately include amnesty: Congress was not willing to go along with it. He then sought to accomplish this, in part, through an executive order and was stopped by the courts.

The total deportations as I understand it is based on people who are turned away at the border which the administration has been counting as a deportation.

So? It's people who are not in the country and it's a far larger number than the previous administration. But I guess it doesn't count, because Obama.

Can you spell out Trump's immigration plan for me and how it will be implemented?

It is comparing apples with oranges. In the past a deportation was counted if the person was already in the country illegally. Turning someone away at the border was not counted as a deportation.

I am someone who voted for Obama but I disagree with his plan to effectively grant amnesty. I am not an advocate for Trump's immigration plan but I do believe he is right that we should not grant amnesty and certainly not offer a path to citizenship.

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Anonymous wrote:This weekend I read an article in the Economist that condescendingly referred to Trump's supporters as "wrinklies." This made me, a 30-something liberal female attorney, so mad! How dare the writers of the Economist disrespect the american voter! In a democracy, the government listens to the people and not the other way around. The liberal elite should not be allowed to impose their own version of the rule of law on America. Over the last twenty years the First Amendment has been almost completely obliterated by the idea of political correctness. People are afraid to say even the simplest things for fear of being misunderstood. Hell, saying "Merry Christmas" is no longer socially acceptable. Laws are enforced at will, or not at all, and the liberal elite feels entitled to disrespect the average Americans, off whose backs they make their living. And this is precisely why people support Trump - because he does not seek to "improve" or "educate" an average voter, but instead shows him respect and actually listens to their opinions - something that, you know, in a democracy, an elected representative is supposed to do.

This is OP, and I can see this point as the most logical explanation. And I am also sick and tired of everyone trying to make everything support their idea of PC.

Today's political class should be relieved that neither tar nor feathers is readily available, though if I were the Walton family I might consider stocking it at WalMart.

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Anonymous wrote:A lot of my liberal friends in IT are very concerned with H1B visas I also know a lot of parents who are frustrated that it si so difficult to get into college and are upset that students VISAS are taking the spots of us citizens.

But I bet they don't support Sanders when he says college should be free. So the foreign kids 1) have better grades and 2) can pay. That's what happens when you run colleges like businesses.

If college is free and everyone goes it would make getting in a lot harder.

And a lot of people would end up going that should not be in college and resulting in a dumbing down of higher education.

If college education became free (which it never can be, since someone is ultimately paying the freight), colleges like Strayer and Phoenix would sprout everywhere like weeds. A bachelors degree would be worth about as much as a high school degree from 1990 (hint - not much).

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Anonymous wrote:This weekend I read an article in the Economist that condescendingly referred to Trump's supporters as "wrinklies." This made me, a 30-something liberal female attorney, so mad! How dare the writers of the Economist disrespect the american voter! In a democracy, the government listens to the people and not the other way around. The liberal elite should not be allowed to impose their own version of the rule of law on America. Over the last twenty years the First Amendment has been almost completely obliterated by the idea of political correctness. People are afraid to say even the simplest things for fear of being misunderstood. Hell, saying "Merry Christmas" is no longer socially acceptable. Laws are enforced at will, or not at all, and the liberal elite feels entitled to disrespect the average Americans, off whose backs they make their living. And this is precisely why people support Trump - because he does not seek to "improve" or "educate" an average voter, but instead shows him respect and actually listens to their opinions - something that, you know, in a democracy, an elected representative is supposed to do.

This is OP, and I can see this point as the most logical explanation. And I am also sick and tired of everyone trying to make everything support their idea of PC.

Hmmm, Trump is many things, but "respectful" and "good listener" he is not.

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Anonymous wrote:This weekend I read an article in the Economist that condescendingly referred to Trump's supporters as "wrinklies." This made me, a 30-something liberal female attorney, so mad! How dare the writers of the Economist disrespect the american voter! In a democracy, the government listens to the people and not the other way around. The liberal elite should not be allowed to impose their own version of the rule of law on America. Over the last twenty years the First Amendment has been almost completely obliterated by the idea of political correctness. People are afraid to say even the simplest things for fear of being misunderstood. Hell, saying "Merry Christmas" is no longer socially acceptable. Laws are enforced at will, or not at all, and the liberal elite feels entitled to disrespect the average Americans, off whose backs they make their living. And this is precisely why people support Trump - because he does not seek to "improve" or "educate" an average voter, but instead shows him respect and actually listens to their opinions - something that, you know, in a democracy, an elected representative is supposed to do.

Yes, he has great respect for republicans and the American people.

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Anonymous wrote:A lot of my liberal friends in IT are very concerned with H1B visas I also know a lot of parents who are frustrated that it si so difficult to get into college and are upset that students VISAS are taking the spots of us citizens.

But I bet they don't support Sanders when he says college should be free. So the foreign kids 1) have better grades and 2) can pay. That's what happens when you run colleges like businesses.

If college is free and everyone goes it would make getting in a lot harder.

And a lot of people would end up going that should not be in college and resulting in a dumbing down of higher education.

If college education became free (which it never can be, since someone is ultimately paying the freight), colleges like Strayer and Phoenix would sprout everywhere like weeds. A bachelors degree would be worth about as much as a high school degree from 1990 (hint - not much).

I have never complained about our student loans. We were grateful for the education and that the loans allowed us to get a great degree and jobs. But what about us? We still have 30k we're paying on. It seems ridiculously unfair that someone will get something for free that I paid 80k for (a public state university). I do agree that college is too expensive, but nothing in life should be free.

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Anonymous wrote:Except it's the Republicans that have ruined their American Dream by destroying unions. Their anger is misplaced. And I resent the implication that liberals are not patriots.

I made no such implication. No one doubts the patriotism of liberal icons like FDR and JFK, each of whom enjoyed strong backing from Reagan democrats. But to paraphrase Lloyd Bentsen (a WWII combat pilot and patriot), Obama is no John Kennedy.



No, you don't get to decide who is a patriot. And patriotism is not correlated with your or your party's core values. This is incredibly insulting.

Also, just FYI, because this is another very annoying thing, someone's opinions do not carry more weight because they have served in the military.

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Anonymous wrote:This weekend I read an article in the Economist that condescendingly referred to Trump's supporters as "wrinklies." This made me, a 30-something liberal female attorney, so mad! How dare the writers of the Economist disrespect the american voter! In a democracy, the government listens to the people and not the other way around. The liberal elite should not be allowed to impose their own version of the rule of law on America. Over the last twenty years the First Amendment has been almost completely obliterated by the idea of political correctness. People are afraid to say even the simplest things for fear of being misunderstood. Hell, saying "Merry Christmas" is no longer socially acceptable. Laws are enforced at will, or not at all, and the liberal elite feels entitled to disrespect the average Americans, off whose backs they make their living. And this is precisely why people support Trump - because he does not seek to "improve" or "educate" an average voter, but instead shows him respect and actually listens to their opinions - something that, you know, in a democracy, an elected representative is supposed to do.

1. Why are you so angry about something published in the Economist?

2. American voters deserve disrespect and ridicule if 35 present think Trump is qualified to be President.

3. The government doesn't necessary listen to the people in a representative democracy. Look no further than opinions on gun control.

4. The "liberal elite"? Are you for real? You aren't very familiar with the Economist. It's mostly British writers are all over the map on issues.

5. You must not have done very well in ConLaw if you think the First Amendment is in danger from "political correctness." Only you and wrinkly old idiots who watch Fox believe that red coffee cups are part of a systematic War on Xmas.

6. You blew what little credibility left by claiming that Trump listens to and respects the average American.

Your no liberal and undoubtedly a terrible attorney not working in the legal field.

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Anonymous wrote:A lot of my liberal friends in IT are very concerned with H1B visas I also know a lot of parents who are frustrated that it si so difficult to get into college and are upset that students VISAS are taking the spots of us citizens.

But I bet they don't support Sanders when he says college should be free. So the foreign kids 1) have better grades and 2) can pay. That's what happens when you run colleges like businesses.

If college is free and everyone goes it would make getting in a lot harder.

And a lot of people would end up going that should not be in college and resulting in a dumbing down of higher education.

If college education became free (which it never can be, since someone is ultimately paying the freight), colleges like Strayer and Phoenix would sprout everywhere like weeds. A bachelors degree would be worth about as much as a high school degree from 1990 (hint - not much).

Exactly, then we would have bachelor degrees not leading to jobs and those who can will go on to get Master's and Phd--only we as a society will simply incur the added expense of funding another 4 years of "education" that doesn't lead to a better job or higher income. It is all smoke and mirrors. Higher education costs are already out of control precisely because the government got involved in the load business. We don't need to fund what will be worth no more than today's high school diploma.

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Anonymous wrote:This weekend I read an article in the Economist that condescendingly referred to Trump's supporters as "wrinklies." This made me, a 30-something liberal female attorney, so mad! How dare the writers of the Economist disrespect the american voter! In a democracy, the government listens to the people and not the other way around. The liberal elite should not be allowed to impose their own version of the rule of law on America. Over the last twenty years the First Amendment has been almost completely obliterated by the idea of political correctness. People are afraid to say even the simplest things for fear of being misunderstood. Hell, saying "Merry Christmas" is no longer socially acceptable. Laws are enforced at will, or not at all, and the liberal elite feels entitled to disrespect the average Americans, off whose backs they make their living. And this is precisely why people support Trump - because he does not seek to "improve" or "educate" an average voter, but instead shows him respect and actually listens to their opinions - something that, you know, in a democracy, an elected representative is supposed to do.

1. Why are you so angry about something published in the Economist?

2. American voters deserve disrespect and ridicule if 35 present think Trump is qualified to be President.

3. The government doesn't necessary listen to the people in a representative democracy. Look no further than opinions on gun control.

4. The "liberal elite"? Are you for real? You aren't very familiar with the Economist. It's mostly British writers are all over the map on issues.

5. You must not have done very well in ConLaw if you think the First Amendment is in danger from "political correctness." Only you and wrinkly old idiots who watch Fox believe that red coffee cups are part of a systematic War on Xmas.

6. You blew what little credibility left by claiming that Trump listens to and respects the average American.

Your no liberal and undoubtedly a terrible attorney not working in the legal field.

Personal attacks against those with whom you disagree. Progressivism at its finest.

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Anonymous wrote:This weekend I read an article in the Economist that condescendingly referred to Trump's supporters as "wrinklies." This made me, a 30-something liberal female attorney, so mad! How dare the writers of the Economist disrespect the american voter! In a democracy, the government listens to the people and not the other way around. The liberal elite should not be allowed to impose their own version of the rule of law on America. Over the last twenty years the First Amendment has been almost completely obliterated by the idea of political correctness. People are afraid to say even the simplest things for fear of being misunderstood. Hell, saying "Merry Christmas" is no longer socially acceptable. Laws are enforced at will, or not at all, and the liberal elite feels entitled to disrespect the average Americans, off whose backs they make their living. And this is precisely why people support Trump - because he does not seek to "improve" or "educate" an average voter, but instead shows him respect and actually listens to their opinions - something that, you know, in a democracy, an elected representative is supposed to do.

1. Why are you so angry about something published in the Economist?

2. American voters deserve disrespect and ridicule if 35 present think Trump is qualified to be President.

3. The government doesn't necessary listen to the people in a representative democracy. Look no further than opinions on gun control.

4. The "liberal elite"? Are you for real? You aren't very familiar with the Economist. It's mostly British writers are all over the map on issues.

5. You must not have done very well in ConLaw if you think the First Amendment is in danger from "political correctness." Only you and wrinkly old idiots who watch Fox believe that red coffee cups are part of a systematic War on Xmas.

6. You blew what little credibility left by claiming that Trump listens to and respects the average American.

Your no liberal and undoubtedly a terrible attorney not working in the legal field.

... and the PP just proved my point...