PARCC Scores for Grades 3-8

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Anonymous wrote:How does this really breakdown, we need to know how many kids entered already scoring high and where did they end up. If you entered middle school as a high elementary school scoring child, then how does that reflect on the middle school - only that they didn't make your scores worse. If on the other hand you entered the school as a low student but left as a high-scorning student, then kudos to the school. The only way this matters is we follow the child, and for parent making a decision about where to send their child, not because the teachers are any better but the kids in general are at a higher-level!!! SIGH


Check mark for you. You have earned your DCPS union card for the day.

(Oh yeah, plus there's that other thing where the testing gets new and progressive material every year so you can see progression and whether the scores track in 7th, 8th, etc. But don't let data get in the way or your little narrative that testing cannot possibly tell us anything useful.)


So if a child enters school already high, you think the teacher should get credit for maintenance?


[Sigh] I find DCPS employees tiring. Let's start with a reminder that this isn't totally (or primarily) about evaluating teachers. But beyond that, the argument that you and your kind have made for years that because tests don't tell everything they are good for nothing has not only failed to carry the day, but damaged any credibility you might otherwise have. Is there an issue with a static measure? Sure. There needs to be some consideration on that point. But that doesn't invalidate the testing as a measure of where the kids in the school are against a measure. Plus, and let me type this all in caps so you don't miss my point again teach, I CARE ABOUT MY KID BEING IN AN ENVIRONMENT WITH HIGH PERFORMING KIDS THAN YOUR PETTY DCPS UNION CARD CRAP.
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Anonymous wrote:If you take the average of both scores, here are the best-performing schools (the share of kids scoring 4+):

Janney ES 0.7375
Ross ES 0.7255
Lafayette ES 0.719
Mann ES 0.706
Eaton ES 0.689
Stoddert ES 0.678
Murch ES 0.6745
Key ES 0.6495
Basis DC PCS 0.6335
Brent ES 0.626
Washington Yu Ying PCS 0.6105
DC Prep PCS Edgewood Elementary 0.6045
Washington Latin PCS - Middle School 0.5845
DC Prep PCS Edgewood Middle 0.568
KIPP DC LEAD Academy 0.549
Oyster Adams Bilingual School 0.5445
Deal MS 0.536
Hyde Addison ES 0.5165
School Within School at Goding 0.513
Latin American Montessori Bilingual (LAMB) PCS 0.458
Maury ES 0.44
Shepherd ES 0.4335
Hearst ES 0.4225
Inspired Teaching Demonstration PCS 0.383
Two Rivers PCS 0.375
Mundo Verde Bilingual PCS 0.354



If these are the best performing schools what are the worst.!?!

Less than .20-.10 percent scoring 4+



Just like YY started out struggling on paper as far as scores are concerned, ITS and MV will be on par with YY in a few years. They have matching demographics and no reason not to succeed. By every indication, families love it there. PP pointed out that the 3rd graders (I think kids that started there in PK4) are in the mid 50s.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:How does this really breakdown, we need to know how many kids entered already scoring high and where did they end up. If you entered middle school as a high elementary school scoring child, then how does that reflect on the middle school - only that they didn't make your scores worse. If on the other hand you entered the school as a low student but left as a high-scorning student, then kudos to the school. The only way this matters is we follow the child, and for parent making a decision about where to send their child, not because the teachers are any better but the kids in general are at a higher-level!!! SIGH


This has been tracked for charters - called the median growth percentage and you can find it on the DCPCSB website for each school that's been open long enough. It is an important data point in determining whether a charter is Tier 1, 2 or 3. But they will need to start over again with PARCC and have a couple years with this test to get updated data.

I believe DCPS tracks it too but not sure where to find it and if it is called the same thing.


This is what we need to make any sense out of any of these scores going forward. Then DCPS needs specific strategies to enhance the scores of high achieving student or maintain, bring up the score of students in the middle, and actively use remedial strategy with students at the bottom. But giving them all the same curriculum or cornerstones (or whatever it is called) and saying this is now equity won't make a difference if there is a huge learning gap between the bottom and top!!!


That's assuming you are a DCPS teacher or blind supporter. Realize many of us use these tests to figure out which schools have a preponderance of high performing kids. I don't care if they came in prepared or if the school got them there, I just care if they are there now. And, yeah, my kid is high performing. Conceptually I care about how well a school handles SN or poverty. But not more than I care about my high performing kid being surrounded by like performers.


And this right here is why I hate so many of the threads on schools in DC. And why I love that my child goes to EL Haynes. Where I can only hope that he will be a high achiever that will help to raise everyone up. I appreciate your honesty, PP - at least you don't pretend to truly care about anyone but your own kid.



Learn to read. I care about other people, but not at the expense of my own kid's education. See the difference? Your all or none construct is cute; took about 1/2 second to pierce the ferocity of your word play.
Anonymous
Anyone else take notice of Ludlow Taylor's scores relative to last year's miraculous improvement on DCCASS? Things that make you go hmmmmmmmm.........................
Anonymous
Do we find out individual scores?
Anonymous

I believe DCPS tracks it too but not sure where to find it and if it is called the same thing.


This is what we need to make any sense out of any of these scores going forward. Then DCPS needs specific strategies to enhance the scores of high achieving student or maintain, bring up the score of students in the middle, and actively use remedial strategy with students at the bottom. But giving them all the same curriculum or cornerstones (or whatever it is called) and saying this is now equity won't make a difference if there is a huge learning gap between the bottom and top!!!

That's assuming you are a DCPS teacher or blind supporter. Realize many of us use these tests to figure out which schools have a preponderance of high performing kids. I don't care if they came in prepared or if the school got them there, I just care if they are there now. And, yeah, my kid is high performing. Conceptually I care about how well a school handles SN or poverty. But not more than I care about my high performing kid being surrounded by like performers.

And this right here is why I hate so many of the threads on schools in DC. And why I love that my child goes to EL Haynes. Where I can only hope that he will be a high achiever that will help to raise everyone up. I appreciate your honesty, PP - at least you don't pretend to truly care about anyone but your own kid.



Learn to read. I care about other people, but not at the expense of my own kid's education. See the difference? Your all or none construct is cute; took about 1/2 second to pierce the ferocity of your word play.

No. You said that in concept you care about how a school deals with things like special needs and poverty. The reasonable inference is that you care about it in concept but not in practice. The rest of your statements bear that out. I am not trying to be cute or saying that my position is superior to yours. I honestly appreciate that you are willing to say that you care more about your own child's achievement than the kid down the street or across the park, etc. Too many posters spew platitudes about they care about these things, when in reality they only care about their own child's outcomes, or the outcomes of kids that look like them.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Do we find out individual scores?


OSSE website says individual scores will go home in December.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If you take the average of both scores, here are the best-performing schools (the share of kids scoring 4+):

Janney ES 0.7375
Ross ES 0.7255
Lafayette ES 0.719
Mann ES 0.706
Eaton ES 0.689
Stoddert ES 0.678
Murch ES 0.6745
Key ES 0.6495
Basis DC PCS 0.6335
Brent ES 0.626
Washington Yu Ying PCS 0.6105
DC Prep PCS Edgewood Elementary 0.6045
Washington Latin PCS - Middle School 0.5845
DC Prep PCS Edgewood Middle 0.568
KIPP DC LEAD Academy 0.549
Oyster Adams Bilingual School 0.5445
Deal MS 0.536
Hyde Addison ES 0.5165
School Within School at Goding 0.513
Latin American Montessori Bilingual (LAMB) PCS 0.458
Maury ES 0.44
Shepherd ES 0.4335
Hearst ES 0.4225
Inspired Teaching Demonstration PCS 0.383
Two Rivers PCS 0.375
Mundo Verde Bilingual PCS 0.354



If these are the best performing schools what are the worst.!?!

Less than .20-.10 percent scoring 4+



Just like YY started out struggling on paper as far as scores are concerned, ITS and MV will be on par with YY in a few years. They have matching demographics and no reason not to succeed. By every indication, families love it there. PP pointed out that the 3rd graders (I think kids that started there in PK4) are in the mid 50s.


2R has been around longer than YY and only teaches in English. So what happened?
Anonymous
Check the equity data posted earlier for 2R. Much higher percentage of economically disadvantaged and special needs students for starters.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Check the equity data posted earlier for 2R. Much higher percentage of economically disadvantaged and special needs students for starters.


Also YY only goes thru 5th and 2R they 8th. Citywide the middle school scores were somewhat lower than 3-5.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Anyone else take notice of Ludlow Taylor's scores relative to last year's miraculous improvement on DCCASS? Things that make you go hmmmmmmmm.........................


+1
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:What is odd to me is that there were at least a few DCPS and DC Charters which had 90-95% of their students make 4 or higher in 10th grade (including diverse / economically disadvantaged students at SWW, Wash Latin, Banneker and BASIS DC). None of the schools with 3-8th came close to that level of performance.

Any theories?


17 year olds type better than 8 year olds.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If you take the average of both scores, here are the best-performing schools (the share of kids scoring 4+):

Janney ES 0.7375
Ross ES 0.7255
Lafayette ES 0.719
Mann ES 0.706
Eaton ES 0.689
Stoddert ES 0.678
Murch ES 0.6745
Key ES 0.6495
Basis DC PCS 0.6335
Brent ES 0.626
Washington Yu Ying PCS 0.6105
DC Prep PCS Edgewood Elementary 0.6045
Washington Latin PCS - Middle School 0.5845
DC Prep PCS Edgewood Middle 0.568
KIPP DC LEAD Academy 0.549
Oyster Adams Bilingual School 0.5445
Deal MS 0.536
Hyde Addison ES 0.5165
School Within School at Goding 0.513
Latin American Montessori Bilingual (LAMB) PCS 0.458
Maury ES 0.44
Shepherd ES 0.4335
Hearst ES 0.4225
Inspired Teaching Demonstration PCS 0.383
Two Rivers PCS 0.375
Mundo Verde Bilingual PCS 0.354



If these are the best performing schools what are the worst.!?!

Less than .20-.10 percent scoring 4+



Just like YY started out struggling on paper as far as scores are concerned, ITS and MV will be on par with YY in a few years. They have matching demographics and no reason not to succeed. By every indication, families love it there. PP pointed out that the 3rd graders (I think kids that started there in PK4) are in the mid 50s.


ITS and MV have different admissions entry options than YY. Also, until last year YY had time stamp waitlists which one could guess helped ensure dedicated families attending.
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Anonymous wrote:that is also just the charter data. Could be that high-achieving AA parents who stay in public school use the OOB DCPS more than the charters.

High-scoring kids who add racial diversity to a class might be able to get scholarships to private schools, but that's a topic for another DCUM forum.


Nope that's not the case. KIPP and DC Prep have the highest % of AA kids that scored advanced, followed by Stoddert and Eaton (but you're talking about about 2-6 students at those school).
Stoddert ES All Math 10.7% 28 students
KIPP DC LEAD Academy All Math 16.1% 87 students
KIPP DC Promise PCS All Math 11.5% 191 students
DC Prep PCS Edgewood Elementary All ELA 14.3% 63 students
Stoddert ES All ELA 10.7% 28 students
Eaton ES All ELA 10.4% 67 students

For some of the "popular schools" % of AA advanced student performance is concerning as well

Lafayette 5.1% AA advanced in math, 2.6% in English. 39 AA students tested (22.4 and 14.9 for white – 196 kids)
Stoddert 10.7% AA advanced math, 10.7% in English. 28 AA kids tested (21.5 and 16.7 for white – 79 kids)
Janney not enough AA kids (25)
Mann not enough AA kids (25)
Murch 4.9% AA advanced in math, 2.4% in English. 41 students tested (16.9 and 9.5 for white students - 160 kids)
Key 4.0% AA advanced in math, 4.0% in English. 25 students tested (18.4 and 12.8 for white students – 87 kids)
Eaton 0% AA advanced in math, 10.4% in English. 67 students tested (19.8 and 18.8 for white students – 96 kids)
Oyster 0% AA advanced in math, 3.8% in English. 26 students tested (20.5 and 27.3 for white students – 88 kids)
Brent 0% AA advanced in math, 5.7% in English. 35 students tested (20.0 and 23.6 for white students – 55 kids)
Hearst 1.3% AA advanced in math, 1.3% in English. 75 students tested (18.8 and 18.8 for white students – 32 kids)
Shepherd 4.5% AA advanced in math, 1.8% in English. 111 students tested (NA for white)




This nicely highlights what people--especially the AA moms who have 250k income and are middle class don't get: the problem is one of race and not income or class. Problems in society inhibit AA students' achievement and income/ class is only a small part of it.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:that is also just the charter data. Could be that high-achieving AA parents who stay in public school use the OOB DCPS more than the charters.

High-scoring kids who add racial diversity to a class might be able to get scholarships to private schools, but that's a topic for another DCUM forum.


Nope that's not the case. KIPP and DC Prep have the highest % of AA kids that scored advanced, followed by Stoddert and Eaton (but you're talking about about 2-6 students at those school).
Stoddert ES All Math 10.7% 28 students
KIPP DC LEAD Academy All Math 16.1% 87 students
KIPP DC Promise PCS All Math 11.5% 191 students
DC Prep PCS Edgewood Elementary All ELA 14.3% 63 students
Stoddert ES All ELA 10.7% 28 students
Eaton ES All ELA 10.4% 67 students

For some of the "popular schools" % of AA advanced student performance is concerning as well

Lafayette 5.1% AA advanced in math, 2.6% in English. 39 AA students tested (22.4 and 14.9 for white – 196 kids)
Stoddert 10.7% AA advanced math, 10.7% in English. 28 AA kids tested (21.5 and 16.7 for white – 79 kids)
Janney not enough AA kids (25)
Mann not enough AA kids (25)
Murch 4.9% AA advanced in math, 2.4% in English. 41 students tested (16.9 and 9.5 for white students - 160 kids)
Key 4.0% AA advanced in math, 4.0% in English. 25 students tested (18.4 and 12.8 for white students – 87 kids)
Eaton 0% AA advanced in math, 10.4% in English. 67 students tested (19.8 and 18.8 for white students – 96 kids)
Oyster 0% AA advanced in math, 3.8% in English. 26 students tested (20.5 and 27.3 for white students – 88 kids)
Brent 0% AA advanced in math, 5.7% in English. 35 students tested (20.0 and 23.6 for white students – 55 kids)
Hearst 1.3% AA advanced in math, 1.3% in English. 75 students tested (18.8 and 18.8 for white students – 32 kids)
Shepherd 4.5% AA advanced in math, 1.8% in English. 111 students tested (NA for white)




This nicely highlights what people--especially the AA moms who have 250k income and are middle class don't get: the problem is one of race and not income or class. Problems in society inhibit AA students' achievement and income/ class is only a small part of it.


Did you look at the scores for every school in DC? Income is a huge part of it.
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