SES Indicators

[Anonymous]

This response is exactly what sucks about this board.


PP makes a rational point. PP is then attacked and called middle class as if that is some sort of slap in the face. Of course delivered with just the right condescending tone so at first read it isn't too over the top. Finesse. Well done.


I am the PP above who originally said I had zero desire to leave the country and I hold to that. I realize it isn't for everyone. Travel wherever you want to - enjoy yourself.

Tying travel to SES is completely ridiculous. This entire thread is ridiculous. As if you can tell anything about a persons finances from the shoes they wear or where they buy their groceries. Just one more attempt to feel superior and make sure you are ahead in the race.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Not sure what international travel has to do with SES.


We just have no interest. Certainly not afraid - not curious and not interested. Could change as our kids grow. We aren't against it, just haven't ever had a good reason to go - plenty to see here in the US and we don't have the travel bug. Going on a trip to walk around Europe doesn't sound relaxing to us.

I can relate. We actually are working our way around the US with the kids. There is so much to see here! This last summer we did 2 weeks in Alaska, which was such an incredible experience! Being in Denali is almost like being on another planet. We also loved Jackson Hole, WY. We went with an outfitter and took horses down to the bottom of the Grand Canyon and camped, it was unreal. We have a huge map in our study and have tacks where we want to visit, each year we go to at least 2 places (one for a solid 2 weeks). we sprinkle a few 3-4 day weekends in there as well to locations near here.

To say the least, we are an outdoors type of family ( we have all boys as well) and have really enjoyed exploring the US. This summer we are looking forward to spending a week in Bar Harbor Maine, and have never been.

No real desire to leave the country until we have exhausted what is here. We certainly have the travel bug, but just for the US. The cool thing is that my kids are so well versed in American History. Whenever they are doing a unit in school about some sort of event, we take a trip. For instance, they learned about the battle of Gettysburg and took them to see a battle reenactment and did one of those ghost tours.

This is a little strange. No desire to leave the country? No desire to see Rome, or the Acropolis, or Angkor Wat? I grew up extremely working class (factory working mother and teacher father) and we hit all 50 U.S. states for family vacations. My slightly higher-SES family (DH lawyer, myself in tech) travels domestically, but the kids have had passports since they were 8 weeks old and both have been to a few foreign countries at this point (oldest is 4).

Jackson Hole is awesome. But so is Tokyo. So is Giza. So is London. I'd hate to die having only seen a faction of the world's wonders and having only experienced American culture.

I'd rather not deal with exhausting long flights and $1200 flights for 5 people.

Oh, and like I mentioned we are more outdoors type people, visiting a large city has ZERO appeal, like none at all. I live in DC and went or college at Columbia in NYC...I've had enough.

Hiking Mt Kilamanjaro-yes, but I've priced that...20k for all of us, so no.
Hiking the Inca trail-yes
Patagonioa-yes

However for the price of ONE of the above trips I can do 2 domestic trips here and I can see more because the travel time is much shorter.

Didn't need a passport ( I do have one though due to business trips I've had to take all over Asia) but we did do a breathtaking trip to Newfoundland.

Unless you are independently wealthy you can see all that I desire to see in North America and head off to London and Paris and all the other cliché destinations.

Okay, now I understand. You're not high-SES, which is what PP said. International travel requires money and time that you don't have.

Sad that you have rationalized that world-class cities like London and Tokyo are "cliché" and have apparently written off the 99% of the world that's not urban due to expense. But totally in keeping with your SES and a middle-class worldview.

Huh? We are a 700K family.

But hey, you win. You are extremely cultivated, refined, and enlightened. You are clearly of superior SES than I. You can take that crown and wear it. I didn't realize there was a contest.

[Anonymous]

This whole thread should be deleted. It's insulting and hateful.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This whole thread should be deleted. It's insulting and hateful.

Naw...it shows DC liberals as they are I think it's great. This website is so left leaning and I find it a joy to read. This thread is absolutely a perfect depiction of the way the left really feels. I'd bet 70% of thr posters here identify as liberals and consider themselves open minded.

Keep it going!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Not sure what international travel has to do with SES.


We just have no interest. Certainly not afraid - not curious and not interested. Could change as our kids grow. We aren't against it, just haven't ever had a good reason to go - plenty to see here in the US and we don't have the travel bug. Going on a trip to walk around Europe doesn't sound relaxing to us.

I can relate. We actually are working our way around the US with the kids. There is so much to see here! This last summer we did 2 weeks in Alaska, which was such an incredible experience! Being in Denali is almost like being on another planet. We also loved Jackson Hole, WY. We went with an outfitter and took horses down to the bottom of the Grand Canyon and camped, it was unreal. We have a huge map in our study and have tacks where we want to visit, each year we go to at least 2 places (one for a solid 2 weeks). we sprinkle a few 3-4 day weekends in there as well to locations near here.

To say the least, we are an outdoors type of family ( we have all boys as well) and have really enjoyed exploring the US. This summer we are looking forward to spending a week in Bar Harbor Maine, and have never been.

No real desire to leave the country until we have exhausted what is here. We certainly have the travel bug, but just for the US. The cool thing is that my kids are so well versed in American History. Whenever they are doing a unit in school about some sort of event, we take a trip. For instance, they learned about the battle of Gettysburg and took them to see a battle reenactment and did one of those ghost tours.

This is a little strange. No desire to leave the country? No desire to see Rome, or the Acropolis, or Angkor Wat? I grew up extremely working class (factory working mother and teacher father) and we hit all 50 U.S. states for family vacations. My slightly higher-SES family (DH lawyer, myself in tech) travels domestically, but the kids have had passports since they were 8 weeks old and both have been to a few foreign countries at this point (oldest is 4).

Jackson Hole is awesome. But so is Tokyo. So is Giza. So is London. I'd hate to die having only seen a faction of the world's wonders and having only experienced American culture.

I'd rather not deal with exhausting long flights and $1200 flights for 5 people.

Oh, and like I mentioned we are more outdoors type people, visiting a large city has ZERO appeal, like none at all. I live in DC and went or college at Columbia in NYC...I've had enough.

Hiking Mt Kilamanjaro-yes, but I've priced that...20k for all of us, so no.
Hiking the Inca trail-yes
Patagonioa-yes

However for the price of ONE of the above trips I can do 2 domestic trips here and I can see more because the travel time is much shorter.

Didn't need a passport ( I do have one though due to business trips I've had to take all over Asia) but we did do a breathtaking trip to Newfoundland.

Unless you are independently wealthy you can see all that I desire to see in North America and head off to London and Paris and all the other cliché destinations.

Okay, now I understand. You're not high-SES, which is what PP said. International travel requires money and time that you don't have.

Sad that you have rationalized that world-class cities like London and Tokyo are "cliché" and have apparently written off the 99% of the world that's not urban due to expense. But totally in keeping with your SES and a middle-class worldview.

Huh? We are a 700K family.

But hey, you win. You are extremely cultivated, refined, and enlightened. You are clearly of superior SES than I. You can take that crown and wear it. I didn't realize there was a contest.

Look up SES, my dear. It's not solely based on HHI. Although I do wonder why someone who makes $700K would find a $20K vacation difficult to afford. $1200 flights are pretty easy to pay for with that sort of money, so my guess is you're lying about your income to try to insult me. How brave!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not sure what international travel has to do with SES.


We just have no interest. Certainly not afraid - not curious and not interested. Could change as our kids grow. We aren't against it, just haven't ever had a good reason to go - plenty to see here in the US and we don't have the travel bug. Going on a trip to walk around Europe doesn't sound relaxing to us.

I can relate. We actually are working our way around the US with the kids. There is so much to see here! This last summer we did 2 weeks in Alaska, which was such an incredible experience! Being in Denali is almost like being on another planet. We also loved Jackson Hole, WY. We went with an outfitter and took horses down to the bottom of the Grand Canyon and camped, it was unreal. We have a huge map in our study and have tacks where we want to visit, each year we go to at least 2 places (one for a solid 2 weeks). we sprinkle a few 3-4 day weekends in there as well to locations near here.

To say the least, we are an outdoors type of family ( we have all boys as well) and have really enjoyed exploring the US. This summer we are looking forward to spending a week in Bar Harbor Maine, and have never been.

No real desire to leave the country until we have exhausted what is here. We certainly have the travel bug, but just for the US. The cool thing is that my kids are so well versed in American History. Whenever they are doing a unit in school about some sort of event, we take a trip. For instance, they learned about the battle of Gettysburg and took them to see a battle reenactment and did one of those ghost tours.

This is a little strange. No desire to leave the country? No desire to see Rome, or the Acropolis, or Angkor Wat? I grew up extremely working class (factory working mother and teacher father) and we hit all 50 U.S. states for family vacations. My slightly higher-SES family (DH lawyer, myself in tech) travels domestically, but the kids have had passports since they were 8 weeks old and both have been to a few foreign countries at this point (oldest is 4).

Jackson Hole is awesome. But so is Tokyo. So is Giza. So is London. I'd hate to die having only seen a faction of the world's wonders and having only experienced American culture.

I'd rather not deal with exhausting long flights and $1200 flights for 5 people.

Oh, and like I mentioned we are more outdoors type people, visiting a large city has ZERO appeal, like none at all. I live in DC and went or college at Columbia in NYC...I've had enough.

Hiking Mt Kilamanjaro-yes, but I've priced that...20k for all of us, so no.
Hiking the Inca trail-yes
Patagonioa-yes

However for the price of ONE of the above trips I can do 2 domestic trips here and I can see more because the travel time is much shorter.

Didn't need a passport ( I do have one though due to business trips I've had to take all over Asia) but we did do a breathtaking trip to Newfoundland.

Unless you are independently wealthy you can see all that I desire to see in North America and head off to London and Paris and all the other cliché destinations.

Okay, now I understand. You're not high-SES, which is what PP said. International travel requires money and time that you don't have.

Sad that you have rationalized that world-class cities like London and Tokyo are "cliché" and have apparently written off the 99% of the world that's not urban due to expense. But totally in keeping with your SES and a middle-class worldview.

Huh? We are a 700K family.

But hey, you win. You are extremely cultivated, refined, and enlightened. You are clearly of superior SES than I. You can take that crown and wear it. I didn't realize there was a contest.

Look up SES, my dear. It's not solely based on HHI. Although I do wonder why someone who makes $700K would find a $20K vacation difficult to afford. $1200 flights are pretty easy to pay for with that sort of money, so my guess is you're lying about your income to try to insult me. How brave!

In addition to being cultivated, refined, and enlightened you are a modern day sherlock holmes with a crystal ball.

Carry on with your next intellectually brilliant and decidedly clever remarks, I can't wait to hear what's next.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not sure what international travel has to do with SES.


We just have no interest. Certainly not afraid - not curious and not interested. Could change as our kids grow. We aren't against it, just haven't ever had a good reason to go - plenty to see here in the US and we don't have the travel bug. Going on a trip to walk around Europe doesn't sound relaxing to us.

I can relate. We actually are working our way around the US with the kids. There is so much to see here! This last summer we did 2 weeks in Alaska, which was such an incredible experience! Being in Denali is almost like being on another planet. We also loved Jackson Hole, WY. We went with an outfitter and took horses down to the bottom of the Grand Canyon and camped, it was unreal. We have a huge map in our study and have tacks where we want to visit, each year we go to at least 2 places (one for a solid 2 weeks). we sprinkle a few 3-4 day weekends in there as well to locations near here.

To say the least, we are an outdoors type of family ( we have all boys as well) and have really enjoyed exploring the US. This summer we are looking forward to spending a week in Bar Harbor Maine, and have never been.

No real desire to leave the country until we have exhausted what is here. We certainly have the travel bug, but just for the US. The cool thing is that my kids are so well versed in American History. Whenever they are doing a unit in school about some sort of event, we take a trip. For instance, they learned about the battle of Gettysburg and took them to see a battle reenactment and did one of those ghost tours.

This is a little strange. No desire to leave the country? No desire to see Rome, or the Acropolis, or Angkor Wat? I grew up extremely working class (factory working mother and teacher father) and we hit all 50 U.S. states for family vacations. My slightly higher-SES family (DH lawyer, myself in tech) travels domestically, but the kids have had passports since they were 8 weeks old and both have been to a few foreign countries at this point (oldest is 4).

Jackson Hole is awesome. But so is Tokyo. So is Giza. So is London. I'd hate to die having only seen a faction of the world's wonders and having only experienced American culture.

I'd rather not deal with exhausting long flights and $1200 flights for 5 people.

Oh, and like I mentioned we are more outdoors type people, visiting a large city has ZERO appeal, like none at all. I live in DC and went or college at Columbia in NYC...I've had enough.

Hiking Mt Kilamanjaro-yes, but I've priced that...20k for all of us, so no.
Hiking the Inca trail-yes
Patagonioa-yes

However for the price of ONE of the above trips I can do 2 domestic trips here and I can see more because the travel time is much shorter.

Didn't need a passport ( I do have one though due to business trips I've had to take all over Asia) but we did do a breathtaking trip to Newfoundland.

Unless you are independently wealthy you can see all that I desire to see in North America and head off to London and Paris and all the other cliché destinations.

Okay, now I understand. You're not high-SES, which is what PP said. International travel requires money and time that you don't have.

Sad that you have rationalized that world-class cities like London and Tokyo are "cliché" and have apparently written off the 99% of the world that's not urban due to expense. But totally in keeping with your SES and a middle-class worldview.

Huh? We are a 700K family.

But hey, you win. You are extremely cultivated, refined, and enlightened. You are clearly of superior SES than I. You can take that crown and wear it. I didn't realize there was a contest.

Look up SES, my dear. It's not solely based on HHI. Although I do wonder why someone who makes $700K would find a $20K vacation difficult to afford. $1200 flights are pretty easy to pay for with that sort of money, so my guess is you're lying about your income to try to insult me. How brave!

NP. You're getting desperate.

[Anonymous]

This popcorn is delicious.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This popcorn is delicious.

Team CONUS is droppin' the mic on team OCONUS.

[Anonymous]

I don't think "middle class" is the insult you're looking for--the term you want is "bourgeoisie." Wealthy but narrow minded, materialistic but indifferent to cultural values.

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Anonymous wrote:Whether one has a passport.

We don't have passports, and we have a 7 figure HHI. Zero interest in leaving the continental US.

People like you scare me.

I could say the same. People that put a global viewpoint above a national viewpoint are scary to me.

But, you're not putting a global perspective *above* a national one. You only have a national one, and no global one at all. Frankly, if you want to understand the United States better, you need to see how people outside the US see it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't think "middle class" is the insult you're looking for--the term you want is "bourgeoisie." Wealthy but narrow minded, materialistic but indifferent to cultural values.

Because someone prefers traveling in the us, camping an hiking?

How does make someone materialistic and narrow minded?

I actually think people who project their own preferences on other are the ones with the problem. It's odd how someone is so vested and obsessed on how a poster spends her money and travel time. Maybe it's just me, but I definitely don't associate camping and hiking with bourgeois as materialistic.

Middle class is not an insult. Posters like angry Tokyo simply demonstrate their lack of class just by opening their mouthes. A lack of class transcends all SES levels. It's a universally poor character trait. And they are certainly oblivious to their crass demeanor.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Whether one has a passport.

We don't have passports, and we have a 7 figure HHI. Zero interest in leaving the continental US.

People like you scare me.

I could say the same. People that put a global viewpoint above a national viewpoint are scary to me.

But, you're not putting a global perspective *above* a national one. You only have a national one, and no global one at all. Frankly, if you want to understand the United States better, you need to see how people outside the US see it.

You are responding to a lot of people. You think it's one, it's not.

I feel the same sentiment and have traveled plenty outside of the US, mostly to Africa as I've been in love with every wild and beautiful place I've had the honor to visit. You are shamefully close minded.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Whether one has a passport.

We don't have passports, and we have a 7 figure HHI. Zero interest in leaving the continental US.

People like you scare me.

I could say the same. People that put a global viewpoint above a national viewpoint are scary to me.

But, you're not putting a global perspective *above* a national one. You only have a national one, and no global one at all. Frankly, if you want to understand the United States better, you need to see how people outside the US see it.

You are responding to a lot of people. You think it's one, it's not.

I feel the same sentiment and have traveled plenty outside of the US, mostly to Africa as I've been in love with every wild and beautiful place I've had the honor to visit. You are shamefully close minded.

NP. How is that "close minded"?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Whether one has a passport.

We don't have passports, and we have a 7 figure HHI. Zero interest in leaving the continental US.

People like you scare me.

I could say the same. People that put a global viewpoint above a national viewpoint are scary to me.

But, you're not putting a global perspective *above* a national one. You only have a national one, and no global one at all. Frankly, if you want to understand the United States better, you need to see how people outside the US see it.

You are responding to a lot of people. You think it's one, it's not.

I feel the same sentiment and have traveled plenty outside of the US, mostly to Africa as I've been in love with every wild and beautiful place I've had the honor to visit. You are shamefully close minded.

NP. How is that "close minded"?

This poster claims that the ONLY way to have a global perspective is to travel ( for pleasure ) globally. I've traveled for pleasure and for work globally and this is simply not true. Books, good books, written by international authors are the key to knowledge, not a trip to see Big Ben and the lovely gardens of Tokyo.

I suggest going through the Pulitzer prize winners at the inception of Pulitzer and crack open a few. This is for a basic 101 understanding. Our very own Anne Applebaum is a start.