SES Indicators

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This thread makes me want to puke.

Most of these answers are strongly biased to what the liberal, coastal affluent see in the mirror and, not coincidentally, hope to be an indicator of status.

If you polled wealthy energy executives, or ranch owners, about indicators of high SES, you would find very, very different answers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Whether one has a passport.

We don't have passports, and we have a 7 figure HHI. Zero interest in leaving the continental US.

People like you scare me.

I could say the same. People that put a global viewpoint above a national viewpoint are scary to me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Whether one has a passport.

We don't have passports, and we have a 7 figure HHI. Zero interest in leaving the continental US.

Well then you may have money, but not much education (not the kind you get in school).

+1

Travel is a huge indicator of class.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Whether one has a passport.

We don't have passports, and we have a 7 figure HHI. Zero interest in leaving the continental US.

People like you scare me.

I could say the same. People that put a global viewpoint above a national viewpoint are scary to me.

You know what they say, better to not respond and let people think it's because you're afraid of flying than to open your mouth and prove that you are uneducated.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not sure what international travel has to do with SES.


We just have no interest. Certainly not afraid - not curious and not interested. Could change as our kids grow. We aren't against it, just haven't ever had a good reason to go - plenty to see here in the US and we don't have the travel bug. Going on a trip to walk around Europe doesn't sound relaxing to us.

I can relate. We actually are working our way around the US with the kids. There is so much to see here! This last summer we did 2 weeks in Alaska, which was such an incredible experience! Being in Denali is almost like being on another planet. We also loved Jackson Hole, WY. We went with an outfitter and took horses down to the bottom of the Grand Canyon and camped, it was unreal. We have a huge map in our study and have tacks where we want to visit, each year we go to at least 2 places (one for a solid 2 weeks). we sprinkle a few 3-4 day weekends in there as well to locations near here.

To say the least, we are an outdoors type of family ( we have all boys as well) and have really enjoyed exploring the US. This summer we are looking forward to spending a week in Bar Harbor Maine, and have never been.

No real desire to leave the country until we have exhausted what is here. We certainly have the travel bug, but just for the US. The cool thing is that my kids are so well versed in American History. Whenever they are doing a unit in school about some sort of event, we take a trip. For instance, they learned about the battle of Gettysburg and took them to see a battle reenactment and did one of those ghost tours.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Whether one has a passport.

We don't have passports, and we have a 7 figure HHI. Zero interest in leaving the continental US.

People like you scare me.

I could say the same. People that put a global viewpoint above a national viewpoint are scary to me.

You know what they say, better to not respond and let people think it's because you're afraid of flying than to open your mouth and prove that you are uneducated.

NP, but you sound pretty trite yourself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not sure what international travel has to do with SES.


We just have no interest. Certainly not afraid - not curious and not interested. Could change as our kids grow. We aren't against it, just haven't ever had a good reason to go - plenty to see here in the US and we don't have the travel bug. Going on a trip to walk around Europe doesn't sound relaxing to us.

I can relate. We actually are working our way around the US with the kids. There is so much to see here! This last summer we did 2 weeks in Alaska, which was such an incredible experience! Being in Denali is almost like being on another planet. We also loved Jackson Hole, WY. We went with an outfitter and took horses down to the bottom of the Grand Canyon and camped, it was unreal. We have a huge map in our study and have tacks where we want to visit, each year we go to at least 2 places (one for a solid 2 weeks). we sprinkle a few 3-4 day weekends in there as well to locations near here.

To say the least, we are an outdoors type of family ( we have all boys as well) and have really enjoyed exploring the US. This summer we are looking forward to spending a week in Bar Harbor Maine, and have never been.

No real desire to leave the country until we have exhausted what is here. We certainly have the travel bug, but just for the US. The cool thing is that my kids are so well versed in American History. Whenever they are doing a unit in school about some sort of event, we take a trip. For instance, they learned about the battle of Gettysburg and took them to see a battle reenactment and did one of those ghost tours.

You might find international travel more appealing when your kids get older. They'll take up a language and it'll be fun to use it. Or they will learn about places and it will be great to visit and experience the food and culture. Or they will take a history class and will want to teach YOU about the place they just learned about. Its the same type of fun you're describing above, not about indoctrinating yourself or putting global views above national views or whatever the weirdo PP is suggesting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How they talk and what words they use. It's harder to judge just by clothes etc, some people just don't care about that and will wear 10 year old shoes but flu first class to Europe.

It's not the age of the shoe that gives it away. It's the quality, style and brand.

No. Just, no. Ditto for handbags.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This thread is funny. What is the deal with teeth? DH and I both have yellow teeth (mine way more than his), not because of smoking or drinking coffee/tea (we do none of these/never did) but because we were born with yellow teeth. We have super healthy teeth (haven't had dental work in over 25 years). Both of us had braces though, so we have nice, but very yellow teeth (and we are not going to start bleaching). We also wear pretty cheap shoes, usually from TJ Maxx, Ross, or a similar place. Both of us have 3 pairs of shoes each. I buy most of my clothes at TJ Maxx. Our household income puts us in the top 1%, and we bought a 1 million dollar house at age 31 (first time home buyers with all our own money--no parent contributions), but I'm sure one look at our yellow teeth and cheapo shoes and no one would think that. We choose to spend our money on other things than teeth bleaching and shoes.

+1 We spend our money on living.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not sure what international travel has to do with SES.


We just have no interest. Certainly not afraid - not curious and not interested. Could change as our kids grow. We aren't against it, just haven't ever had a good reason to go - plenty to see here in the US and we don't have the travel bug. Going on a trip to walk around Europe doesn't sound relaxing to us.

I can relate. We actually are working our way around the US with the kids. There is so much to see here! This last summer we did 2 weeks in Alaska, which was such an incredible experience! Being in Denali is almost like being on another planet. We also loved Jackson Hole, WY. We went with an outfitter and took horses down to the bottom of the Grand Canyon and camped, it was unreal. We have a huge map in our study and have tacks where we want to visit, each year we go to at least 2 places (one for a solid 2 weeks). we sprinkle a few 3-4 day weekends in there as well to locations near here.

To say the least, we are an outdoors type of family ( we have all boys as well) and have really enjoyed exploring the US. This summer we are looking forward to spending a week in Bar Harbor Maine, and have never been.

No real desire to leave the country until we have exhausted what is here. We certainly have the travel bug, but just for the US. The cool thing is that my kids are so well versed in American History. Whenever they are doing a unit in school about some sort of event, we take a trip. For instance, they learned about the battle of Gettysburg and took them to see a battle reenactment and did one of those ghost tours.

You might find international travel more appealing when your kids get older. They'll take up a language and it'll be fun to use it. Or they will learn about places and it will be great to visit and experience the food and culture. Or they will take a history class and will want to teach YOU about the place they just learned about. Its the same type of fun you're describing above, not about indoctrinating yourself or putting global views above national views or whatever the weirdo PP is suggesting.

Oh, I'm sure they might like to travel outside of the US. for now, we just think there is so much in this country to offer and have made some memories of a lifetime right here. WE just haven't found that that the borders have shrunk around us as of yet. Hoping to squeeze in Oneonta Gorge, Oregon in 2016, but we'll see.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Whether one has a passport.

We don't have passports, and we have a 7 figure HHI. Zero interest in leaving the continental US.

Well then you may have money, but not much education (not the kind you get in school).

+1

Travel is a huge indicator of class.

Say that to the Syrian refugees, or the migrant workers we have in this area. They are well traveled.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not sure what international travel has to do with SES.


We just have no interest. Certainly not afraid - not curious and not interested. Could change as our kids grow. We aren't against it, just haven't ever had a good reason to go - plenty to see here in the US and we don't have the travel bug. Going on a trip to walk around Europe doesn't sound relaxing to us.

I can relate. We actually are working our way around the US with the kids. There is so much to see here! This last summer we did 2 weeks in Alaska, which was such an incredible experience! Being in Denali is almost like being on another planet. We also loved Jackson Hole, WY. We went with an outfitter and took horses down to the bottom of the Grand Canyon and camped, it was unreal. We have a huge map in our study and have tacks where we want to visit, each year we go to at least 2 places (one for a solid 2 weeks). we sprinkle a few 3-4 day weekends in there as well to locations near here.

To say the least, we are an outdoors type of family ( we have all boys as well) and have really enjoyed exploring the US. This summer we are looking forward to spending a week in Bar Harbor Maine, and have never been.

No real desire to leave the country until we have exhausted what is here. We certainly have the travel bug, but just for the US. The cool thing is that my kids are so well versed in American History. Whenever they are doing a unit in school about some sort of event, we take a trip. For instance, they learned about the battle of Gettysburg and took them to see a battle reenactment and did one of those ghost tours.

This is a little strange. No desire to leave the country? No desire to see Rome, or the Acropolis, or Angkor Wat? I grew up extremely working class (factory working mother and teacher father) and we hit all 50 U.S. states for family vacations. My slightly higher-SES family (DH lawyer, myself in tech) travels domestically, but the kids have had passports since they were 8 weeks old and both have been to a few foreign countries at this point (oldest is 4).

Jackson Hole is awesome. But so is Tokyo. So is Giza. So is London. I'd hate to die having only seen a faction of the world's wonders and having only experienced American culture.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Whether one has a passport.

We don't have passports, and we have a 7 figure HHI. Zero interest in leaving the continental US.

Well then you may have money, but not much education (not the kind you get in school).

+1

Travel is a huge indicator of class.

Say that to the Syrian refugees, or the migrant workers we have in this area. They are well traveled.

What about it? You are correct. They do not travel frequently for pleasure.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not sure what international travel has to do with SES.


We just have no interest. Certainly not afraid - not curious and not interested. Could change as our kids grow. We aren't against it, just haven't ever had a good reason to go - plenty to see here in the US and we don't have the travel bug. Going on a trip to walk around Europe doesn't sound relaxing to us.

I can relate. We actually are working our way around the US with the kids. There is so much to see here! This last summer we did 2 weeks in Alaska, which was such an incredible experience! Being in Denali is almost like being on another planet. We also loved Jackson Hole, WY. We went with an outfitter and took horses down to the bottom of the Grand Canyon and camped, it was unreal. We have a huge map in our study and have tacks where we want to visit, each year we go to at least 2 places (one for a solid 2 weeks). we sprinkle a few 3-4 day weekends in there as well to locations near here.

To say the least, we are an outdoors type of family ( we have all boys as well) and have really enjoyed exploring the US. This summer we are looking forward to spending a week in Bar Harbor Maine, and have never been.

No real desire to leave the country until we have exhausted what is here. We certainly have the travel bug, but just for the US. The cool thing is that my kids are so well versed in American History. Whenever they are doing a unit in school about some sort of event, we take a trip. For instance, they learned about the battle of Gettysburg and took them to see a battle reenactment and did one of those ghost tours.

This is a little strange. No desire to leave the country? No desire to see Rome, or the Acropolis, or Angkor Wat? I grew up extremely working class (factory working mother and teacher father) and we hit all 50 U.S. states for family vacations. My slightly higher-SES family (DH lawyer, myself in tech) travels domestically, but the kids have had passports since they were 8 weeks old and both have been to a few foreign countries at this point (oldest is 4).

Jackson Hole is awesome. But so is Tokyo. So is Giza. So is London. I'd hate to die having only seen a faction of the world's wonders and having only experienced American culture.

I'd rather not deal with exhausting long flights and $1200 flights for 5 people.

Oh, and like I mentioned we are more outdoors type people, visiting a large city has ZERO appeal, like none at all. I live in DC and went or college at Columbia in NYC...I've had enough.

Hiking Mt Kilamanjaro-yes, but I've priced that...20k for all of us, so no.
Hiking the Inca trail-yes
Patagonioa-yes

However for the price of ONE of the above trips I can do 2 domestic trips here and I can see more because the travel time is much shorter.

Didn't need a passport ( I do have one though due to business trips I've had to take all over Asia) but we did do a breathtaking trip to Newfoundland.

Unless you are independently wealthy you can see all that I desire to see in North America and head off to London and Paris and all the other cliché destinations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not sure what international travel has to do with SES.


We just have no interest. Certainly not afraid - not curious and not interested. Could change as our kids grow. We aren't against it, just haven't ever had a good reason to go - plenty to see here in the US and we don't have the travel bug. Going on a trip to walk around Europe doesn't sound relaxing to us.

I can relate. We actually are working our way around the US with the kids. There is so much to see here! This last summer we did 2 weeks in Alaska, which was such an incredible experience! Being in Denali is almost like being on another planet. We also loved Jackson Hole, WY. We went with an outfitter and took horses down to the bottom of the Grand Canyon and camped, it was unreal. We have a huge map in our study and have tacks where we want to visit, each year we go to at least 2 places (one for a solid 2 weeks). we sprinkle a few 3-4 day weekends in there as well to locations near here.

To say the least, we are an outdoors type of family ( we have all boys as well) and have really enjoyed exploring the US. This summer we are looking forward to spending a week in Bar Harbor Maine, and have never been.

No real desire to leave the country until we have exhausted what is here. We certainly have the travel bug, but just for the US. The cool thing is that my kids are so well versed in American History. Whenever they are doing a unit in school about some sort of event, we take a trip. For instance, they learned about the battle of Gettysburg and took them to see a battle reenactment and did one of those ghost tours.

This is a little strange. No desire to leave the country? No desire to see Rome, or the Acropolis, or Angkor Wat? I grew up extremely working class (factory working mother and teacher father) and we hit all 50 U.S. states for family vacations. My slightly higher-SES family (DH lawyer, myself in tech) travels domestically, but the kids have had passports since they were 8 weeks old and both have been to a few foreign countries at this point (oldest is 4).

Jackson Hole is awesome. But so is Tokyo. So is Giza. So is London. I'd hate to die having only seen a faction of the world's wonders and having only experienced American culture.

I'd rather not deal with exhausting long flights and $1200 flights for 5 people.

Oh, and like I mentioned we are more outdoors type people, visiting a large city has ZERO appeal, like none at all. I live in DC and went or college at Columbia in NYC...I've had enough.

Hiking Mt Kilamanjaro-yes, but I've priced that...20k for all of us, so no.
Hiking the Inca trail-yes
Patagonioa-yes

However for the price of ONE of the above trips I can do 2 domestic trips here and I can see more because the travel time is much shorter.

Didn't need a passport ( I do have one though due to business trips I've had to take all over Asia) but we did do a breathtaking trip to Newfoundland.

Unless you are independently wealthy you can see all that I desire to see in North America and head off to London and Paris and all the other cliché destinations.

Okay, now I understand. You're not high-SES, which is what PP said. International travel requires money and time that you don't have.

Sad that you have rationalized that world-class cities like London and Tokyo are "cliché" and have apparently written off the 99% of the world that's not urban due to expense. But totally in keeping with your SES and a middle-class worldview.