The Concealed Carry Fantasy

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think they should make it a law that gun owners have to join an actual militia. Since gun advocates are always clamoring about the 2nd Amendment which states that "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed", then they should be required to join a militia and put in 20 hours a week training, patrolling, participating in exercises, and volunteering as security at local businesses. If you don't meet your volunteer hours requirements you lose your gun.

Yes, an organized armed force opposed to current policy is the dream of every sane government in the world.

Well, in keeping with the tone of sarcasm, actually I was thinking more along the lines that 20 hours a week of required diversity training and volunteering at local shelters and community centers for troubled teens would be the dream of every "wanna-be Dirty Harry" gun nut in the country.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How about everyone who wants to own a gun AT LEAST have to pass a test (like a driver's license test) and get a gun license? And then what about limiting the number of bullets that can be purchased, stamping each one to know where the bullet was sold, etc.?

You'd be surprised, but many gun owners are okay with much of this (as long as it doesn't create additional hardships). Many many people are perfectly fine with background checks etc. This, however, will not stop the bad/sick people from getting guns and killing people. I say go for it, if it alleviates your anxiety. But don't expect real change. Good folks don't need more rules to behave well, and bad folks don't give a crap about rules however strict.

That's great to hear, but people have been trying for years to get those simple controls passed. The NRA and Conservative politicians consistently block them, and demonize people who try to pass them. Why is that? Why won't responsible gun owners stand up in support of those basic controls, which would make gun ownership safer for everyone?

Suppose I am a responsible gun owner. What is it that you want me to do about NRA and the politicians? I have a day job. I have a family. You won't see me at any rallies. This is just rhetoric, really.

Even people who identify themselves as NRA members are in favor of sensible, responsible gun legislation but the NRA leadership isn't listening to them. Instead they are taking their marching orders from gun manufacturers and gun sellers. There needs to be stronger pushback from NRA membership to get them to listen to their members. Additionally, if a few key gun sellers were to take a stance on responsible gun ownership (Walmart is the top gun seller in the entire US) that would likely move things.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Suppose I am a responsible gun owner. What is it that you want me to do about NRA and the politicians? I have a day job. I have a family. You won't see me at any rallies. This is just rhetoric, really.

How about just a simple email to your elected congressional representatives, saying you are a responsible gun owner who supports reasonable controls? Really only needs to be one sentence, and will take less time than this DCUM exchange. Your one email won't make much difference, but if 50 or 100 people send similar emails, then representatives will take note.

[Anonymous]

So hey, this is topical.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/breaking-news/os-armed-victim-shoots-suspect-orlando-20151026-story.html

Tyrell Owens returned home early Sunday with a case of beer and a pistol tucked in his pants.

It was 1:53 a.m. in Pine Hills, moments before 911 calls flooded the Orange County Sheriff's Office.

"Give it up," Owens was told. And then the stranger's voice blurted, "Oh, [expletive], he has a gun, too."

In the seconds that followed, multiple gunshots exploded at Avesta Rolling Hills apartments on Pine Chase Drive.

When it was over, Owens survived uninjured.

The stranger ran away leaving a trail of blood. He ran to a white Mercedes-Benz SUV with after-market rims waiting in the parking lot. He fell at least once as a result of his wounds. Later identified as Wilmar Jolteus, 32, he jumped into the passenger seat, and it sped away, a report says,

Later in the night, he was dumped outside the emergency room at Orlando Regional Medical Center, records show.

Jolteus — a convicted felon with 11 prior arrests in South Florida — had been shot in the left leg and his right buttock, records show.

Sheriff's records complimented Owens' coolness under fire.

"Jolteus discharged a firearm at Victim Owens in an attempt to cause his death," the arrest report stated. "Owens' death was prevented only by his superior tactical positioning and return fire. ... Owens, in fear for his life, sought cover behind the wall. The suspect fired at least two rounds at Owens and Owens drew his concealed handgun and returned fire."

I am sure that Mr. Owens is thankful to the NRA and all the responsible gun owners like himself who have supported the right to bear arms and to use them effectively for self-defense -- as happens thousands of times every year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So hey, this is topical.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/breaking-news/os-armed-victim-shoots-suspect-orlando-20151026-story.html

Tyrell Owens returned home early Sunday with a case of beer and a pistol tucked in his pants.

It was 1:53 a.m. in Pine Hills, moments before 911 calls flooded the Orange County Sheriff's Office.

"Give it up," Owens was told. And then the stranger's voice blurted, "Oh, [expletive], he has a gun, too."

In the seconds that followed, multiple gunshots exploded at Avesta Rolling Hills apartments on Pine Chase Drive.

When it was over, Owens survived uninjured.

The stranger ran away leaving a trail of blood. He ran to a white Mercedes-Benz SUV with after-market rims waiting in the parking lot. He fell at least once as a result of his wounds. Later identified as Wilmar Jolteus, 32, he jumped into the passenger seat, and it sped away, a report says,

Later in the night, he was dumped outside the emergency room at Orlando Regional Medical Center, records show.

Jolteus — a convicted felon with 11 prior arrests in South Florida — had been shot in the left leg and his right buttock, records show.

Sheriff's records complimented Owens' coolness under fire.

"Jolteus discharged a firearm at Victim Owens in an attempt to cause his death," the arrest report stated. "Owens' death was prevented only by his superior tactical positioning and return fire. ... Owens, in fear for his life, sought cover behind the wall. The suspect fired at least two rounds at Owens and Owens drew his concealed handgun and returned fire."

I am sure that Mr. Owens is thankful to the NRA and all the responsible gun owners like himself who have supported the right to bear arms and to use them effectively for self-defense -- as happens thousands of times every year.

Not entirely topical-- he was at home, not open carrying. It is entirely different, supporting guns for home defense vs. concealed carry in most public places.

[Anonymous]

You want to applaud some guy who participated in a 2am gun battle at a crowded apartment complex, to defend his case of beer? Personally, if I lived in bullet's range, I'd rather he just give up the beer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think they should make it a law that gun owners have to join an actual militia. Since gun advocates are always clamoring about the 2nd Amendment which states that "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed", then they should be required to join a militia and put in 20 hours a week training, patrolling, participating in exercises, and volunteering as security at local businesses. If you don't meet your volunteer hours requirements you lose your gun.

Yes, an organized armed force opposed to current policy is the dream of every sane government in the world.

Well, in keeping with the tone of sarcasm, actually I was thinking more along the lines that 20 hours a week of required diversity training and volunteering at local shelters and community centers for troubled teens would be the dream of every "wanna-be Dirty Harry" gun nut in the country.

Who is going to pay for that? If you have 20 hours a week to spare, God bless you. Relatively few people do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think they should make it a law that gun owners have to join an actual militia. Since gun advocates are always clamoring about the 2nd Amendment which states that "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed", then they should be required to join a militia and put in 20 hours a week training, patrolling, participating in exercises, and volunteering as security at local businesses. If you don't meet your volunteer hours requirements you lose your gun.

Yes, an organized armed force opposed to current policy is the dream of every sane government in the world.

Well, in keeping with the tone of sarcasm, actually I was thinking more along the lines that 20 hours a week of required diversity training and volunteering at local shelters and community centers for troubled teens would be the dream of every "wanna-be Dirty Harry" gun nut in the country.

Who is going to pay for that? If you have 20 hours a week to spare, God bless you. Relatively few people do.

Uhhh...that's the point.
If relatively few people are willing to put their money where their mouth is and embrace the 2nd Amendment de jure in terms of investing their time in required training and volunteering then that means there will be fewer people will be walking around armed and anxious to pull the trigger unnecessarily.

[Anonymous]

They don't have the 20 hours to spare because they waste those 20 hours on their fat asses drinking beer and watching FOX News spew about welfare babies and crime in the ghetto, ISIS coming to blow us up, and mexican invaders coming through every part of the border to rape white women, along with watching ridiculously implausible gun filled vigilante Rambo / Death Wish action movies and reality TV shows glorifying redneck hillbillies who shoot everything on sight.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How about everyone who wants to own a gun AT LEAST have to pass a test (like a driver's license test) and get a gun license? And then what about limiting the number of bullets that can be purchased, stamping each one to know where the bullet was sold, etc.?

You'd be surprised, but many gun owners are okay with much of this (as long as it doesn't create additional hardships). Many many people are perfectly fine with background checks etc. This, however, will not stop the bad/sick people from getting guns and killing people. I say go for it, if it alleviates your anxiety. But don't expect real change. Good folks don't need more rules to behave well, and bad folks don't give a crap about rules however strict.

You know what will keep the guns out of the hands of bad guys? Register every weapon and every sale. Then hold gun owners accountable for crimes committed with the weapons last registered to them.

And yet the Obama administration has not done that with the Federal agent who's stolen gun killed Kate Steinle

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How about everyone who wants to own a gun AT LEAST have to pass a test (like a driver's license test) and get a gun license? And then what about limiting the number of bullets that can be purchased, stamping each one to know where the bullet was sold, etc.?

Almost all states require the successful completion of a hunter/gun safety/education course before you can purchase a hunting license. So almost all states already have something equivalent to a driver's license test.

http://www.ihea.com/hunting-and-shooting/requirements/hunter-education-requirements

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How about everyone who wants to own a gun AT LEAST have to pass a test (like a driver's license test) and get a gun license? And then what about limiting the number of bullets that can be purchased, stamping each one to know where the bullet was sold, etc.?

Almost all states require the successful completion of a hunter/gun safety/education course before you can purchase a hunting license. So almost all states already have something equivalent to a driver's license test.

http://www.ihea.com/hunting-and-shooting/requirements/hunter-education-requirements

Well yes, but that is for a hunting license. Lots of people buy guns and never get hunting licenses.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How about everyone who wants to own a gun AT LEAST have to pass a test (like a driver's license test) and get a gun license? And then what about limiting the number of bullets that can be purchased, stamping each one to know where the bullet was sold, etc.?

Almost all states require the successful completion of a hunter/gun safety/education course before you can purchase a hunting license. So almost all states already have something equivalent to a driver's license test.

http://www.ihea.com/hunting-and-shooting/requirements/hunter-education-requirements

Well yes, but that is for a hunting license. Lots of people buy guns and never get hunting licenses.

Yes, and lots of people buy cars and never get a drivers license. What's your point?

[Anonymous]

It's one thing for someone to not value their own life enough to take measures to protect it- but to not be prepared to defend your family? Y'all are real winners.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How about everyone who wants to own a gun AT LEAST have to pass a test (like a driver's license test) and get a gun license? And then what about limiting the number of bullets that can be purchased, stamping each one to know where the bullet was sold, etc.?

Almost all states require the successful completion of a hunter/gun safety/education course before you can purchase a hunting license. So almost all states already have something equivalent to a driver's license test.

http://www.ihea.com/hunting-and-shooting/requirements/hunter-education-requirements

Well yes, but that is for a hunting license. Lots of people buy guns and never get hunting licenses.

Yes, and lots of people buy cars and never get a drivers license. What's your point?

Could you point to data supporting this ludicrous statement.