HS Party with Alcohol... Death

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Remember Kevin Coffay? Who drove drunk and killed three of his friends and ran off and left them? (in Olney)
He had his sentenced reduced.
Apparently he is already eligible for parole.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/crime-scene/post/judges-cut-kevin-coffays-sentence-in-md-drunk-driving-case-to-8-years/2012/04/20/gIQA76bNWT_blog.html

From a criminal law perspective, this is considered reasonable.

That "criminal law perspective" can go to hell.
You want to see more kids drinking and driving
...and in the GRAVEYARD?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Remember Kevin Coffay? Who drove drunk and killed three of his friends and ran off and left them? (in Olney)
He had his sentenced reduced.
Apparently he is already eligible for parole.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/crime-scene/post/judges-cut-kevin-coffays-sentence-in-md-drunk-driving-case-to-8-years/2012/04/20/gIQA76bNWT_blog.html

From a criminal law perspective, this is considered reasonable.

That "criminal law perspective" can go to hell.
You want to see more kids drinking and driving
...and in the GRAVEYARD?

Would a longer sentence for him deter other kids from doing what he did? I doubt it.

[Anonymous]

The goal is to get them to stop, or never start. Jail doesn't always do that. But if they have an intractable problem, sometimes jail is the only way to keep others safe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Remember Kevin Coffay? Who drove drunk and killed three of his friends and ran off and left them? (in Olney)
He had his sentenced reduced.
Apparently he is already eligible for parole.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/crime-scene/post/judges-cut-kevin-coffays-sentence-in-md-drunk-driving-case-to-8-years/2012/04/20/gIQA76bNWT_blog.html

From a criminal law perspective, this is considered reasonable.

That "criminal law perspective" can go to hell.
You want to see more kids drinking and driving
...and in the GRAVEYARD?

Would a longer sentence for him deter other kids from doing what he did? I doubt it.

Unpleasant consequences certainly deter
LOTS of would be criminals.

What are you afraid of?
The kids shouldn't be inconvenienced for their crimes?
After all, they had bright futures, huh?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The goal is to get them to stop, or never start. Jail doesn't always do that. But if they have an intractable problem, sometimes jail is the only way to keep others safe.

The goal should be to raise them right to obey
(yes, I actually said the dirty word)
OBEY their parents.
This needs to start early.

If your kid doesn't obey you,
why in the hell are you giving him car keys??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Remember Kevin Coffay? Who drove drunk and killed three of his friends and ran off and left them? (in Olney)
He had his sentenced reduced.
Apparently he is already eligible for parole.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/crime-scene/post/judges-cut-kevin-coffays-sentence-in-md-drunk-driving-case-to-8-years/2012/04/20/gIQA76bNWT_blog.html

From a criminal law perspective, this is considered reasonable.

That "criminal law perspective" can go to hell.
You want to see more kids drinking and driving
...and in the GRAVEYARD?

Would a longer sentence for him deter other kids from doing what he did? I doubt it.

Unpleasant consequences certainly deter
LOTS of would be criminals.

What are you afraid of?
The kids shouldn't be inconvenienced for their crimes?
After all, they had bright futures, huh?

Actually at that age - the "unpleasant consequences" seem so remote to their weirdly functioning brains that it's not actually much of a deterrence. What should be done is to facilitate education and alternative solutions to drinking and driving/partying and if the child still drives drunk, to rehabilitate and educate.

http://www.pnas.org/content/109/42/17135
https://www.aacap.org/aacap/Families_and_Youth/Facts_for_Families/Facts_for_Families_Pages/The_Teen_Brain_Behavior_Problem_Solving_and_Decision_Making_95.aspx

[Anonymous]

10:27, what do you suggest, in a nutshell?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The goal is to get them to stop, or never start. Jail doesn't always do that. But if they have an intractable problem, sometimes jail is the only way to keep others safe.

The goal should be to raise them right to obey
(yes, I actually said the dirty word)
OBEY their parents.
This needs to start early.

If your kid doesn't obey you,
why in the hell are you giving him car keys??

Drunk driving isn't about obeying parents, its about obeying the law!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Would a longer sentence for him deter other kids from doing what he did? I doubt it.

Unpleasant consequences certainly deter
LOTS of would be criminals.

What are you afraid of?
The kids shouldn't be inconvenienced for their crimes?
After all, they had bright futures, huh?

Do you have any evidence to support that statement, either generally (long jail sentences deter LOTS of would-be criminals) or specifically (long jail sentences deter LOTS of teenagers from driving drunk)? Because if there's one thing a teenager going to a party probably isn't thinking, it's "That guy a few years ago who drove drunk and killed somebody was in jail for 10 years, so I better not drink, to prevent that from happening to me."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The goal is to get them to stop, or never start. Jail doesn't always do that. But if they have an intractable problem, sometimes jail is the only way to keep others safe.

The goal should be to raise them right to obey
(yes, I actually said the dirty word)
OBEY their parents.
This needs to start early.

If your kid doesn't obey you,
why in the hell are you giving him car keys??

Drunk driving isn't about obeying parents, its about obeying the law!

If you haven't been taught to obey, well... what can you expect?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
However UNintentional it may be, parents are completely enabling this HIGH risk activity of the kids driving.

Few families have a truly dire need for a 16 or 17 year old to be driving. But most every mom and dad wants their kid to be the cool kid in high school with a car.

We should rethink this mentality.

Unless you can be in two, three or four places at once, this is not true if you have multiple children and they are involved in activities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The goal is to get them to stop, or never start. Jail doesn't always do that. But if they have an intractable problem, sometimes jail is the only way to keep others safe.

The goal should be to raise them right to obey
(yes, I actually said the dirty word)
OBEY their parents.
This needs to start early.

If your kid doesn't obey you,
why in the hell are you giving him car keys??

Drunk driving isn't about obeying parents, its about obeying the law!

If you haven't been taught to obey, well... what can you expect?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The goal is to get them to stop, or never start. Jail doesn't always do that. But if they have an intractable problem, sometimes jail is the only way to keep others safe.

The goal should be to raise them right to obey
(yes, I actually said the dirty word)
OBEY their parents.
This needs to start early.

If your kid doesn't obey you,
why in the hell are you giving him car keys??

Drunk driving isn't about obeying parents, its about obeying the law!

If you haven't been taught to obey, well... what can you expect?

Really???? Little Soldiers?????

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
However UNintentional it may be, parents are completely enabling this HIGH risk activity of the kids driving.

Few families have a truly dire need for a 16 or 17 year old to be driving. But most every mom and dad wants their kid to be the cool kid in high school with a car.

We should rethink this mentality.

Unless you can be in two, three or four places at once, this is not true if you have multiple children and they are involved in activities.

I'm sorry, which activity is worth risking your kid's life?
Let's not kid ourselves here. It's a HUGE risk.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
However UNintentional it may be, parents are completely enabling this HIGH risk activity of the kids driving.

Few families have a truly dire need for a 16 or 17 year old to be driving. But most every mom and dad wants their kid to be the cool kid in high school with a car.

We should rethink this mentality.

Unless you can be in two, three or four places at once, this is not true if you have multiple children and they are involved in activities.

Do activities include late night parties? I understand why kids drive themselves to swim practice or guitar lessons. I think the PP was trying to stress the fact that there are alternatives to kids driving themselves to and from parties:

--they are the designated sober driver
--they call a cab or other car service to pick them up
--they call parents

The mentality needs to change as to the coolness factor and become a reality.