Isn't it great when people try to defend themselves and then say something equally as racist as their prior post? Really, immigrants who are bilingual and cut grass are not geniuses, what, because they cut your grass? Wow your ignorance is incredible. Do you know how many people in the US were professors or professionals in their home country and cannot get anything at all similar here, so are driving taxis, cutting grass, working as housekeepers? I'm not saying all in those jobs were white collar workers in their home country, but to judge that someone who's bilingual and cuts lawns is not a genius is your racism and ignorance showing yet again. The number of people who are clear we'd rather hang out with your lawn service guy than you is growing rapidly. I'm not the person who says that above but I totally agree with them. |
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Well I'm not the lawn service guy, but thanks. If it means anything to you, I love learning foreign languages and don't have anything against people who work manual labor. I just don't see huge benefits to immersion. Kind of like people who whine about 'toxins' but don't understand concentration or statistics. |
Oops, bolded the wrong quote. Sorry PP that I bolded, I meant this one to be bold. Isn't it great when people try to defend themselves and then say something equally as racist as their prior post? Really, immigrants who are bilingual and cut grass are not geniuses, what, because they cut your grass? Wow your ignorance is incredible. Do you know how many people in the US were professors or professionals in their home country and cannot get anything at all similar here, so are driving taxis, cutting grass, working as housekeepers? I'm not saying all in those jobs were white collar workers in their home country, but to judge that someone who's bilingual and cuts lawns is not a genius is your racism and ignorance showing yet again. The number of people who are clear we'd rather hang out with your lawn service guy than you is growing rapidly. I'm not the person who says that above but I totally agree with them. |
I think the number of pro-immersion people who take offense at those who don't value it is minimal, even though there are obviously one or two on this thread. Almost everyone I know who is excited about immersion is excited about it for THEIR family, and absolutely does NOT judge other families for not valuing it. That would be ridiculous. PP you don't see huge benefits, that is cool with me. We know why we choose it and are not threatened by anyone who sees it differently. Frankly that leaves room for more kids in the immersion schools whose families really want it, which is best for everyone. And those who don't want it, there are great schools in DC (though not enough of them) for other educational foci. Please don't perceive this discussion as being all people who care whether you approve of it or not, because it's not like that. |
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"It is important to acknowledge that early studies carried out in one-way total immersion programs, where English may not be introduced until grades 2–5, show evidence of a temporary lag in specific English language skills such as spelling, capitalization, punctuation, word knowledge, and word discrimination.[v] That said, these studies also find that within a year or two after instruction in English language arts begins, the lag disappears. There were no long-term negative repercussions to English language or literacy development." So I just have to trust that my kid will catch up on the English language deficits and that they will properly time the English language instruction. No thanks. http://www.carla.umn.edu/immersion/documents/ImmersionResearch_TaraFortune.html |
For anyone too lazy to read that through, it takes about how some of the advantages of bilingualism are overstayed. I think that learning foreign language in retirement to stave off dementia sounds awesome and fun. Just not applicable to my young kids. |
Not the PP who posted the article, but the SES status question is a good one, if for no other reason than to make sure they're comparing apples to apples in their study groups. |
Alas, I think most of the evidence of the benefits of bilingualism have been done on subjects who did not learn another language in retirement. That's not to say that it might not be fun or that there might not be benefits. The evidence suggests that there are not only possible benefits to the actually learning but the actual practice of switching languages which requires the frontal lobe to suppress one language when the other is in use. Switching sets and pathway inhibition are examples of executive function which is governed by the frontal cortex of the brain. Executive function is one of the cognitive domains, in addition to memory, that are often affected by dementia. |
The average score on the F CAT is around 300 points. So, 23 points extra points is significant. http://fcat.fldoe.org/fcatscor.asp |
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I speak 3 foreign languages, two very fluently and one just okay. I learned all of them as an adult and it was exhausting. That said, I love the exposure to another culture that each one of them gives me. I want DC to have access to those cultures and it would be great to not have to learn it all as an adult, which was indeed exhausting.
DH went to an immersion school. While he hardly uses that language now, learning it well as a kid has given him a leg up on the other foreign languages that he has learned as an adult. Above noted, I don't think it is the MOST important thing in a school. You can support language learning at home if you have the commitment to do so. But I do feel that it us going to be a lot easier with DC at an immersion school. |
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