Why Muslims Don't Believe in Concept of Trinity

[Anonymous]

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So where did I say Christians ARE Muslims? Just as the true Christians that only followed the original manuscripts were not Muslims, Jews are also not Muslims. I said they are remarkably similar. The general message from God was the same in all three faiths.

All righty then! You keep insisting that Christianity and Islam are identical, despite endless pages on your own threads where posters disproved your claims that Christianity allows polygamy and concubines, and disproved your claim that Christianity requires women to veil in public. You can't possibly claim that Islamic rules about non-believers are anything like the Christian "love your enemy."

Still think these religions are the same?

Then what about the Quranic verse that allows a man to beat his wife. Please explain how that's "remarkable similar" to Christianity. Thanks!

The true religions are nearly identical, on major points, not the same.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
So where did I say Christians ARE Muslims? Just as the true Christians that only followed the original manuscripts were not Muslims, Jews are also not Muslims. I said they are remarkably similar. The general message from God was the same in all three faiths.

All righty then! You keep insisting that Christianity and Islam are identical, despite endless pages on your own threads where posters disproved your claims that Christianity allows polygamy and concubines, and disproved your claim that Christianity requires women to veil in public. You can't possibly claim that Islamic rules about non-believers are anything like the Christian "love your enemy."

Still think these religions are the same?

Then what about the Quranic verse that allows a man to beat his wife. Please explain how that's "remarkable similar" to Christianity. Thanks!

The true religions are nearly identical, on major points, not the same.

I knew you'd jump to a different topic as soon as you ran out of things to say!

[Anonymous]

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So now you want to engage me in a discussion of how experts can tell the authenticity and discuss their dating techniques?

Different PP here. I think that would be actually be an interesting discussion, and relevant. OP keeps making broad assertions about which documents are authentic and which aren't, so it seems time for her to substantiate her claims. You claim you know, OP, so why don't you start first.

But I'm also interested in engaging in a discussion I know OP wants to have, in similarities between Islam and Christianity. So, OP, how is the Quranic permission given for men to beat their wives similar to Christianity?

[Anonymous]

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Don't pretend this thread is about "why Muslims don't believe in trinity."

+2, or maybe +3.

And likewise do not pretend all those pages and pages of diatribes about how barbaric Islam is was simply for public education.
It doesn't feel good when people bash your religion, does it? So do not use a broad brush to paint my entire religion as barbaric.

Where did somebody called Islam "brutal" on this thread? It's easy to find where you called the Bible "sad," but documenting your claim about "brutal" is tougher. So please show us, on this thread, where anybody was more disrespectful to Islam than you've been to Christianity.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
So where did I say Christians ARE Muslims? Just as the true Christians that only followed the original manuscripts were not Muslims, Jews are also not Muslims. I said they are remarkably similar. The general message from God was the same in all three faiths.

All righty then! You keep insisting that Christianity and Islam are identical, despite endless pages on your own threads where posters disproved your claims that Christianity allows polygamy and concubines, and disproved your claim that Christianity requires women to veil in public. You can't possibly claim that Islamic rules about non-believers are anything like the Christian "love your enemy."

Still think these religions are the same?

Then what about the Quranic verse that allows a man to beat his wife. Please explain how that's "remarkable similar" to Christianity. Thanks!

The true religions are nearly identical, on major points, not the same.

I knew you'd jump to a different topic as soon as you ran out of things to say!

Repeating a false statement never makes it true.

Yes, I did warn you. If you keep claiming similarities, I will point out differences. Your BS response reflects poorly on you. We'll have to assume you can't find any similarity on the Muslim beating-your- wife question.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
So where did I say Christians ARE Muslims? Just as the true Christians that only followed the original manuscripts were not Muslims, Jews are also not Muslims. I said they are remarkably similar. The general message from God was the same in all three faiths.

All righty then! You keep insisting that Christianity and Islam are identical, despite endless pages on your own threads where posters disproved your claims that Christianity allows polygamy and concubines, and disproved your claim that Christianity requires women to veil in public. You can't possibly claim that Islamic rules about non-believers are anything like the Christian "love your enemy."

Still think these religions are the same?

Then what about the Quranic verse that allows a man to beat his wife. Please explain how that's "remarkable similar" to Christianity. Thanks!

The true religions are nearly identical, on major points, not the same.

I knew you'd jump to a different topic as soon as you ran out of things to say!

Repeating a false statement never makes it true.

Yes, I did warn you. If you keep claiming similarities, I will point out differences. Your BS response reflects poorly on you. We'll have to assume you can't find any similarity between the two religions on the beating-your- wife question.

[Anonymous]

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So now you want to engage me in a discussion of how experts can tell the authenticity and discuss their dating techniques?

Experts may be able to date the document accurately. They can't prove it's the word of god and not handiwork of a guy who lived when they said he did. The document can be authentically old and still full of crap.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
So where did I say Christians ARE Muslims? Just as the true Christians that only followed the original manuscripts were not Muslims, Jews are also not Muslims. I said they are remarkably similar. The general message from God was the same in all three faiths.

All righty then! You keep insisting that Christianity and Islam are identical, despite endless pages on your own threads where posters disproved your claims that Christianity allows polygamy and concubines, and disproved your claim that Christianity requires women to veil in public. You can't possibly claim that Islamic rules about non-believers are anything like the Christian "love your enemy."

Still think these religions are the same?

Then what about the Quranic verse that allows a man to beat his wife. Please explain how that's "remarkable similar" to Christianity. Thanks!

The true religions are nearly identical, on major points, not the same.
Enlighten us! What are the true religions and the non-true religions?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
So where did I say Christians ARE Muslims? Just as the true Christians that only followed the original manuscripts were not Muslims, Jews are also not Muslims. I said they are remarkably similar. The general message from God was the same in all three faiths.

All righty then! You keep insisting that Christianity and Islam are identical, despite endless pages on your own threads where posters disproved your claims that Christianity allows polygamy and concubines, and disproved your claim that Christianity requires women to veil in public. You can't possibly claim that Islamic rules about non-believers are anything like the Christian "love your enemy."

Still think these religions are the same?

Then what about the Quranic verse that allows a man to beat his wife. Please explain how that's "remarkable similar" to Christianity. Thanks!

The true religions are nearly identical, on major points, not the same.

Enlighten us! What are the true religions and the non-true religions?

+1. Haha, I was wondering too. I think she means "true" Christianity is stripped of the trinity, divinity, and all Jesus' sayings about women, your enemies, communion, baptism, dietary requirements, getting rid of eye-for-eye. Basically, "true Christianity" is stripped of almost everything Christ is recorded to have said. I'm as baffled as you are about what she might mean about true Judaism.

[Anonymous]

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So where did I say Christians ARE Muslims? Just as the true Christians that only followed the original manuscripts were not Muslims, Jews are also not Muslims. I said

Yes they are.
The Prophet Muhammad said, "No baby is born but upon Fitra (as a Muslim). It is his parents who make him a Jew or a Christian or a Polytheist."
Islam is the religion of all Prophets, Adam to Muhammad. Children are not born out of any sin, original, inherited or derived. They are born on the religion of their nature, i.e., Islam."

People just need to discover their way back.... "I'm mmmmmmm blocking out the haters"

This is actually one of the cornerstones of Islam - that everyone is born in the correct faith (Islam), it's the evil parents that lead them astray. That's why converts in Islam are called reverts, as in "they are coming back home."

I always thought it's a pretty arrogant stance. But that is true for all religions. Islam isn't special in claiming specialness.

[Anonymous]

Dear OP:

- Jesus clearly says we are to stop thinking in terms of "eye-for-eye" retaliation.

- Islam retains eye-for-eye.

Is this a difference, or a similarity?

[Anonymous]

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+1. Haha, I was wondering too. I think she means "true" Christianity is stripped of the trinity, divinity, and all Jesus' sayings about women, your enemies, communion, baptism, dietary requirements, getting rid of eye-for-eye. Basically, "true Christianity" is stripped of almost everything Christ is recorded to have said. I'm as baffled as you are about what she might mean about true Judaism.

Yep, that's actually a basic position of Islam - that Moses, Jesus and Muhammad all came with the same message but the followers of Moses and Jesus have corrupted their holy books so Muhammad had to be sent to set them straight, and THAT book is, don't you know it, 100% authentic. Muslims believe Moses and Jesus were Muslim and came to deliver Islam.

As I mentioned before, Muslim scholarship has never really articulated its problem with Judaism other than Muhammad being really angry at them for rejecting him. That's why Muslim dawwah efforts never really target Jews as they know that particular demographic is beyond their reach.

I'm puzzled that more Jews don't call Muslims on the "Jews believe Ezrah is the son of God" whoopsie.

[Anonymous]

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+1. Haha, I was wondering too. I think she means "true" Christianity is stripped of the trinity, divinity, and all Jesus' sayings about women, your enemies, communion, baptism, dietary requirements, getting rid of eye-for-eye. Basically, "true Christianity" is stripped of almost everything Christ is recorded to have said. I'm as baffled as you are about what she might mean about true Judaism.

Yep, that's actually a basic position of Islam - that Moses, Jesus and Muhammad all came with the same message but the followers of Moses and Jesus have corrupted their holy books so Muhammad had to be sent to set them straight, and THAT book is, don't you know it, 100% authentic. Muslims believe Moses and Jesus were Muslim and came to deliver Islam.

As I mentioned before, Muslim scholarship has never really articulated its problem with Judaism other than Muhammad being really angry at them for rejecting him. That's why Muslim dawwah efforts never really target Jews as they know that particular demographic is beyond their reach.

I'm puzzled that more Jews don't call Muslims on the "Jews believe Ezrah is the son of God" whoopsie.

Yes, I too learned that Muslims view the Quran as perfection after the Christians and Jews screwed it up. Too bad I personally don't see "perfection" in things like returning to eye-for-eye, after Jesus got rid of it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Keep telling yourself you got your point across. You didn't. Nobody thinks your pet scholar is the last word on the Trinity. Nobody thinks that Islam and Christianity are almost the same apart from the Trinity. You've been rebutted several times now.

Please point to where on this thread somebody said Islam is barbaric. You, however, just called the bible "sad" and you called Christian seminarians "lacking in fortitude" for not converting to Islam.

Either you're deluded, or you're lying.

Read again. I did not say you called Islam
Barbaric in this thread. However, you or your posse did indeed paint Islam as entirely barbaric and at least one person did use precisely that word, even if it was in a different thread.

If nobody buys anything I am saying you would not deem it necessary to continually respond to me. You respond to my posts because you are concerned that somebody out there might believe my posts, or they may at least start investigating.

Quite honestly the only rebuttals I recall are
- yes there may have been old manuscripts but they were from Ebionites
But the Ebionites seem to have been practicing monotheism which is closer to original manuscript
-theres no proof those manuscripts were in fact the oldest in the world
Thats what the dating experts say
-older doesn't mean accurate
Well thats what the experts in Christianity say, who has refuted that these are the originals?
-islam changed their holy book too
The standardized Quran was created from the original. No add ons. No edits.

So unless someone has something else to offer, what hasn't been answered??

[Anonymous]

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+1. Haha, I was wondering too. I think she means "true" Christianity is stripped of the trinity, divinity, and all Jesus' sayings about women, your enemies, communion, baptism, dietary requirements, getting rid of eye-for-eye. Basically, "true Christianity" is stripped of almost everything Christ is recorded to have said. I'm as baffled as you are about what she might mean about true Judaism.

Yep, that's actually a basic position of Islam - that Moses, Jesus and Muhammad all came with the same message but the followers of Moses and Jesus have corrupted their holy books so Muhammad had to be sent to set them straight, and THAT book is, don't you know it, 100% authentic. Muslims believe Moses and Jesus were Muslim and came to deliver Islam.

As I mentioned before, Muslim scholarship has never really articulated its problem with Judaism other than Muhammad being really angry at them for rejecting him. That's why Muslim dawwah efforts never really target Jews as they know that particular demographic is beyond their reach.

I'm puzzled that more Jews don't call Muslims on the "Jews believe Ezrah is the son of God" whoopsie.

I am interested in seeing who said the Torah was corrupted. Please provide reference, quote.