Black moms and hitting

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:At my daughters school I see a lot of very sweet white women get shoved, hit, and yelled at and yanked by their (I assume) kids. It's rough rough behavior where ladies are getting hurt. By like four and five year olds, and up from there. They are often very upset over what seems to be stuff moms do--like telling them to tie a shoe or get a backpack. I often am so horrified I want to say something, but I have been biting my tongue. Is this a white thing? I live in a middle income neighborhood. I am not trying to get racist here but I don't feel comfortable asking anyone I know who might have insight about these situations.

I couldn't resist.
See how easy that is?

You should have resisted. Parody is not your strong suit.

+1. Not sure why anyone would "love this."

Don't get too caught up in your feelings friend...ignorant presumptions i.e. stereotypes can go both ways. The OP is leaning toward subscribing to a sentiment that black mothers are the only ones who beat their kids. Is it not okay for others to lean toward subscribing to the sentiment that white mother are the only ones who's kids beat them?

I understand that. I just think it's a ridiculous analogy if that's the point you're trying to make. Children (who are still being taught that hitting is wrong) shouldn't be compared to adults hitting little kids. That's what makes it a bad analogy/parody/ or whatever else you'd like to call it.

Then you're not understanding...I'm not comparing the violence of supposedly sensible adults to the violence of understandably naive children. I'm comparing one ridiculous generalization to another.
Peep this...the OP looks through a narrow subjective lens at a few mothers and comes to this outrageous conclusion about black women as a whole.
Everybody's fine with that though. That's okay...that's tolerable...its even considered arguable, right...cause you know, they're black and of course any generalization about blacks has to be accurate right?
But when the stupid shit is done without blacks as the focal point, when someone looks through a narrow subjective lens at a few mothers and comes to an outrageous conclusions about white women as a whole - WHOA!! Lol, folks ain't trying to hear that shit for one second.

"Just what the hell do you think you're doing pal? You can't generalize all white mothers as virtual punching bags to their children like that I don't care how many instances you've seen its inaccurate and inarguable!!"
Bullshit.

9:32 here. Yes, I still understand. It doesn't mean that it was an effective analogy or nearly as cute as you seem to think it is, as evidenced by your need to start another thread with this. I'm not commenting on the original sentiment, its generalizations, assumptions, etc. I'm just saying that yours was not a good analogy and I think, in fact, self-sabotages by making a more ludicrous comparison.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, as a white mom my kids know this is abuse. They are taught hitting another person is wrong. If you hit you are out of control.

Really?

As an Asian mom I spank my kids when I think it's needed. My kids know this is serious. They are taught to not be disrespectful to their parents. If you do, you are out of control. No, they are NOT toddlers as was the case OP was referring to.

I'm asian, i would never ever ever ever ever spank my children even though i was.

I have a 7, 10, 12 year age gap with my siblings and I was pretty much the only one spanked even though i was the best behaved. It is definitely a generational/age thing.

Are you an immigrant?

PP, I think in your case you were traumatized by the fact that you were the only one spanked in your family. However, with that large age gap, are you sure your older siblings didn't get spanked when they were very young and you were not even born? Are your kids toddler age or ES? That makes a difference on your viewpoint. I didn't spank my kids when they young toddlers.

I am an immigrant, but came here at 1, so essentially I was brought up here. My siblings and I were all spanked growing up, some more than others depending on the behaviour. But I know plenty of non-immigrants that spank their kids, too. I know white women who do it.

PP. I am the oldest of the four. we were all born here and I was in the house for long enough to see my siblings grow up on a daily basis so I know exactly how they were treated.

Spanking is uncivilized and morally wrong at any age.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At my daughters school I see a lot of very sweet white women get shoved, hit, and yelled at and yanked by their (I assume) kids. It's rough rough behavior where ladies are getting hurt. By like four and five year olds, and up from there. They are often very upset over what seems to be stuff moms do--like telling them to tie a shoe or get a backpack. I often am so horrified I want to say something, but I have been biting my tongue. Is this a white thing? I live in a middle income neighborhood. I am not trying to get racist here but I don't feel comfortable asking anyone I know who might have insight about these situations.

I couldn't resist.
See how easy that is?

You should have resisted. Parody is not your strong suit.

+1. Not sure why anyone would "love this."

Don't get too caught up in your feelings friend...ignorant presumptions i.e. stereotypes can go both ways. The OP is leaning toward subscribing to a sentiment that black mothers are the only ones who beat their kids. Is it not okay for others to lean toward subscribing to the sentiment that white mother are the only ones who's kids beat them?

I understand that. I just think it's a ridiculous analogy if that's the point you're trying to make. Children (who are still being taught that hitting is wrong) shouldn't be compared to adults hitting little kids. That's what makes it a bad analogy/parody/ or whatever else you'd like to call it.

Then you're not understanding...I'm not comparing the violence of supposedly sensible adults to the violence of understandably naive children. I'm comparing one ridiculous generalization to another.
Peep this...the OP looks through a narrow subjective lens at a few mothers and comes to this outrageous conclusion about black women as a whole.
Everybody's fine with that though. That's okay...that's tolerable...its even considered arguable, right...cause you know, they're black and of course any generalization about blacks has to be accurate right?
But when the stupid shit is done without blacks as the focal point, when someone looks through a narrow subjective lens at a few mothers and comes to an outrageous conclusions about white women as a whole - WHOA!! Lol, folks ain't trying to hear that shit for one second.

"Just what the hell do you think you're doing pal? You can't generalize all white mothers as virtual punching bags to their children like that I don't care how many instances you've seen its inaccurate and inarguable!!"
Bullshit.

9:32 here. Yes, I still understand. It doesn't mean that it was an effective analogy or nearly as cute as you seem to think it is, as evidenced by your need to start another thread with this. I'm not commenting on the original sentiment, its generalizations, assumptions, etc. I'm just saying that yours was not a good analogy and I think, in fact, self-sabotages by making a more ludicrous comparison.

FYI I didn't start that alternate thread friend but I did comment on it.
Care to guess which remark I made?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow, as a white mom my kids know this is abuse. They are taught hitting another person is wrong. If you hit you are out of control.

Really?

As an Asian mom I spank my kids when I think it's needed. My kids know this is serious. They are taught to not be disrespectful to their parents. If you do, you are out of control. No, they are NOT toddlers as was the case OP was referring to.

I'm asian, i would never ever ever ever ever spank my children even though i was.

I have a 7, 10, 12 year age gap with my siblings and I was pretty much the only one spanked even though i was the best behaved. It is definitely a generational/age thing.

Are you an immigrant?

PP, I think in your case you were traumatized by the fact that you were the only one spanked in your family. However, with that large age gap, are you sure your older siblings didn't get spanked when they were very young and you were not even born? Are your kids toddler age or ES? That makes a difference on your viewpoint. I didn't spank my kids when they young toddlers.

I am an immigrant, but came here at 1, so essentially I was brought up here. My siblings and I were all spanked growing up, some more than others depending on the behaviour. But I know plenty of non-immigrants that spank their kids, too. I know white women who do it.

PP. I am the oldest of the four. we were all born here and I was in the house for long enough to see my siblings grow up on a daily basis so I know exactly how they were treated.

Spanking is uncivilized and morally wrong at any age.

Given that civility and morality are subjective, I will disagree with you. The Roman civilization was considered one of the most civilized and respected empire in history, but they engaged in pedophilia as part of their culture.. They thought that was civilized, too. Civility is subjective.

I think you were just traumatized for being singled out. If all your siblings were spanked, would you feel the same? Who knows, not even you know the answer to that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At my daughters school I see a lot of very sweet white women get shoved, hit, and yelled at and yanked by their (I assume) kids. It's rough rough behavior where ladies are getting hurt. By like four and five year olds, and up from there. They are often very upset over what seems to be stuff moms do--like telling them to tie a shoe or get a backpack. I often am so horrified I want to say something, but I have been biting my tongue. Is this a white thing? I live in a middle income neighborhood. I am not trying to get racist here but I don't feel comfortable asking anyone I know who might have insight about these situations.

I couldn't resist.
See how easy that is?

You should have resisted. Parody is not your strong suit.

Well I laughed quite loudly.

[Anonymous]

OP, all of my friends who felt unloved were never spanked.

[Anonymous]

OP, black women learned this behavior from the slavers.

[Anonymous]

Not another "reverse the situation"/"I am so ironic and witty poster." I see this on numerous threads and it's so old!
It comes across as very smug and mocking. People may laugh at it, but does your target audience really learn from it?

To get back to the original question, no, I don't think all AA women are avoiding friendships with white women and I'm sure you can find some AA friends if you really want to and if you are not sending some kind of subliminal weird message. So good luck on making some new friends!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not another "reverse the situation"/"I am so ironic and witty poster." I see this on numerous threads and it's so old!
It comes across as very smug and mocking. People may laugh at it, but does your target audience really learn from it?

To get back to the original question, no, I don't think all AA women are avoiding friendships with white women and I'm sure you can find some AA friends if you really want to and if you are not sending some kind of subliminal weird message. So good luck on making some new friends!

wrong thread.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not another "reverse the situation"/"I am so ironic and witty poster." I see this on numerous threads and it's so old!
It comes across as very smug and mocking. People may laugh at it, but does your target audience really learn from it?

To get back to the original question, no, I don't think all AA women are avoiding friendships with white women and I'm sure you can find some AA friends if you really want to and if you are not sending some kind of subliminal weird message. So good luck on making some new friends!

What?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow, as a white mom my kids know this is abuse. They are taught hitting another person is wrong. If you hit you are out of control.

Really?

As an Asian mom I spank my kids when I think it's needed. My kids know this is serious. They are taught to not be disrespectful to their parents. If you do, you are out of control. No, they are NOT toddlers as was the case OP was referring to.

I'm asian, i would never ever ever ever ever spank my children even though i was.

I have a 7, 10, 12 year age gap with my siblings and I was pretty much the only one spanked even though i was the best behaved. It is definitely a generational/age thing.

Are you an immigrant?

PP, I think in your case you were traumatized by the fact that you were the only one spanked in your family. However, with that large age gap, are you sure your older siblings didn't get spanked when they were very young and you were not even born? Are your kids toddler age or ES? That makes a difference on your viewpoint. I didn't spank my kids when they young toddlers.

I am an immigrant, but came here at 1, so essentially I was brought up here. My siblings and I were all spanked growing up, some more than others depending on the behaviour. But I know plenty of non-immigrants that spank their kids, too. I know white women who do it.

PP. I am the oldest of the four. we were all born here and I was in the house for long enough to see my siblings grow up on a daily basis so I know exactly how they were treated.

Spanking is uncivilized and morally wrong at any age.

Given that civility and morality are subjective, I will disagree with you. The Roman civilization was considered one of the most civilized and respected empire in history, but they engaged in pedophilia as part of their culture.. They thought that was civilized, too. Civility is subjective.

I think you were just traumatized for being singled out. If all your siblings were spanked, would you feel the same? Who knows, not even you know the answer to that.

You just made my point. civility CHANGED over time. Just like my parents behavior CHANGED over a long period of time. I was spanked however my much younger siblings were not because over time my asian parents realized it was NOT right and became westernized. I was the first one they had soon after they immigrated - by the time they had the other 3, they had been here for over 7 years.

Yes, perhaps some of my aversion to spanking does come from being singled out - but I was not singled out my parents were bad - they just didn't know any better back then. I also think because i was old enough by the time they had the other 3, they knew what they did was wrong and couldn't do it to them in front of me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow, as a white mom my kids know this is abuse. They are taught hitting another person is wrong. If you hit you are out of control.

Really?

As an Asian mom I spank my kids when I think it's needed. My kids know this is serious. They are taught to not be disrespectful to their parents. If you do, you are out of control. No, they are NOT toddlers as was the case OP was referring to.

I'm asian, i would never ever ever ever ever spank my children even though i was.

I have a 7, 10, 12 year age gap with my siblings and I was pretty much the only one spanked even though i was the best behaved. It is definitely a generational/age thing.

Are you an immigrant?

PP, I think in your case you were traumatized by the fact that you were the only one spanked in your family. However, with that large age gap, are you sure your older siblings didn't get spanked when they were very young and you were not even born? Are your kids toddler age or ES? That makes a difference on your viewpoint. I didn't spank my kids when they young toddlers.

I am an immigrant, but came here at 1, so essentially I was brought up here. My siblings and I were all spanked growing up, some more than others depending on the behaviour. But I know plenty of non-immigrants that spank their kids, too. I know white women who do it.

PP. I am the oldest of the four. we were all born here and I was in the house for long enough to see my siblings grow up on a daily basis so I know exactly how they were treated.

Spanking is uncivilized and morally wrong at any age.

Given that civility and morality are subjective, I will disagree with you. The Roman civilization was considered one of the most civilized and respected empire in history, but they engaged in pedophilia as part of their culture.. They thought that was civilized, too. Civility is subjective.

I think you were just traumatized for being singled out. If all your siblings were spanked, would you feel the same? Who knows, not even you know the answer to that.

You just made my point. civility CHANGED over time. Just like my parents behavior CHANGED over a long period of time. I was spanked however my much younger siblings were not because over time my asian parents realized it was NOT right and became westernized. I was the first one they had soon after they immigrated - by the time they had the other 3, they had been here for over 7 years.

Yes, perhaps some of my aversion to spanking does come from being singled out - but I was not singled out my parents were bad - they just didn't know any better back then. I also think because i was old enough by the time they had the other 3, they knew what they did was wrong and couldn't do it to them in front of me.

But I can counter-point to that argument by saying that most people think spanking is uncivil and should be outlawed, as is in some European countries. But in 100 yrs time, they may find that kids have become completely unruly (as we are starting to see here), and spanking wasn't so bad if you did it "properly" and judiciously. That was my point.

I think your parents learned the American way. Most Asian parents back in the day, didn't just spank the kids on the bottom with their hand. They used instruments and usually hit other places, like the back of the leg or open palm. I'm gonna guess that is what happened to you. I remember that happening to my siblings as well. That is not the spanking I'm referring to. But that is probably the spanking your parents realized was wrong, which it is.

Morality and civility do change over time, but it also changes by region and culture. It still doesn't make spanking bad. Your definition of morality and civility are not the same as mine or someone else's. Just as the American way is not the only way, as the world keeps telling us.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:PP again. I think there are a lot if young impatient parents too. Race isn't as much a factor as other things in the environment (age, education level, single family, low income, etc.)

Let's just get the young and unfit jabs in!