MD public schools are segregated

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Anonymous wrote:The Chevy Chase Elementary parent is going to make an appearance to correct the record and tell us that CCES is really, really diverse in 3 ... 2..... 1 .....

Ethnically diverse.......not economically diverse. Just saying.

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Did I ever say that my friends were bragging about being the liberal, progressive, non-FARMs peeps among the poor?

never said such a thing

In fact, most don't have a lot of money, but they have just enough money and education to be able to help out their home base schools - WHERE their children attend. They don't brag about it; they do it to help out their community of which they are a big part.

And while I didn't grow up poor, my extended family did - so poor that it lit fire under their assess to stop the cycle of poverty from continuing on in the States. So while they weren't ashamed of how they grew up, they certainly weren't wallowing in their sorrow once they came here. In fact, we ALL grew up with money. I had more than many of my "American" pals.

And no, I'm not living in a community of high-FARMs school either. But I do admire how many of my friends choose to improve their community schools.

b/c w/o my friends and their network of support, these schools would be worse off

You have a chip on your shoulder, PP - a big one.

Anonymous wrote:No but it make you feel good to believe that since you can't imagine an adult living in a divers world so you must thrush it upon your children.. I was poor growing up so my friends are either poor or doing a little better. My son's best friend is on FARM. My other sons best friend lives in a HUD house in our neighborhood.

My children are the minority on many occasions, big fricken deal. I don't wear it like a badge of honor like the SS people do.

Shallow is as shallow does. You want to slap ME silly, oh silly girl ... where I grew up, a slap ain't shit, you better come with something stronger thAn that.

Anonymous wrote:You're a joke, PP.

You're not surrounding your kids with ALL types of people. Your diverse activities probably includes a few minorities who come from upper bracket households.

Try living in a fairly urban setting where your WHITE child is the minority in a high-FARM's school. Now THAT'S showing that you're not a racist. My kids are out of school, but I know many, many whites who live that existence - who are not moving out of the area b/c their children are with a handful of whites in their classrooms.

Your last statement is so ironic that it makes me want to slap you silly!

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There is another option though. I believe it is equally important to send my kids to a high-performing school and to have relationships (not go to school) with all kinds of people. For me personally, it is easier for a school to educated my kids at a high level and for me to ensure they have relationships with all kinds of people.

So my kids live in a diverse neighborhood but go to a private school. Also, they are in diverse activities on the weekend/after school.

Also, I would like to add that the 30/30/30 diversity is not diverse in my book. Those 30's need to be broken down. White/Black/Hispanic - can we really be more shallow.

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Md schools are the highest rated in the nation.

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But I do admire how many of my friends choose to improve their community schools.

I also admire people who help home schools, I just choose to help kids from those schools get into privates for free and I see a great result from that.

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Anonymous wrote:This would make an interesting social engineering experiment -

Make sure each school reflect the racial %age of MOCO population. So if it is 30% white, 20% Black, 40% Hispanic and 10% Asian - then each school should have that same %age of each race.

Bus kids to different schools to make this work.

Milwaukee already did this for years in the 1980s and 1990s, and hundreds of $$millions. It's called Chapter 220.
It failed.
The inner city children underperformed HS and college tests, and maintained the same dismal teen pregnancy rates, graduations rates and college acceptance rates. Socially, kids just stayed in their racial/ethnic cliques.
The surburban shools' sports teams sure gained a lot of linemen, basketball, and track athletes though!

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This would make an interesting social engineering experiment -

Make sure each school reflect the racial %age of MOCO population. So if it is 30% white, 20% Black, 40% Hispanic and 10% Asian - then each school should have that same %age of each race.

Bus kids to different schools to make this work.

Milwaukee already did this for years in the 1980s and 1990s, and hundreds of $$millions. It's called Chapter 220.
It failed.
The inner city children underperformed HS and college tests, and maintained the same dismal teen pregnancy rates, graduations rates and college acceptance rates. Socially, kids just stayed in their racial/ethnic cliques.
The surburban shools' sports teams sure gained a lot of linemen, basketball, and track athletes though!

That is not the whole story

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I just do not understand why I should choose high performing schools over diverse schools. Why is diversity so important?

I grew up in an affluent suburb in Texas, went to Ivy League college and grad school, and now I am working at a relatively high paying job (about $300k per year). My DH the same background and earns a little less than I do.

I always made sure that I volunteered and helped those less fortunate, and I am friend's with people with less education or lower income.

BUT why would living in a diverse school help me in any way? I think I did pretty well without going to a diverse school.

We live in MoCo right now with a toddler. If MoCo does too much the social engineering crap, we will send our toddler to private school for sure.

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Anonymous wrote:I just do not understand why I should NOT choose high performing schools over diverse schools. Why is diversity so important?

I grew up in an affluent suburb in Texas, went to Ivy League college and grad school, and now I am working at a relatively high paying job (about $300k per year). My DH the same background and earns a little less than I do.

I always made sure that I volunteered and helped those less fortunate, and I am friend's with people with less education or lower income.

BUT why would living in a diverse school help me in any way? I think I did pretty well without going to a diverse school.

We live in MoCo right now with a toddler. If MoCo does too much the social engineering crap, we will send our toddler to private school for sure.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

But I do admire how many of my friends choose to improve their community schools.

I also admire people who help home schools, I just choose to help kids from those schools get into privates for free and I see a great result from that.

as an educational consultant/advocate, you mean?

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Anonymous wrote:I just do not understand why I should NOT choose high performing schools over diverse schools. Why is diversity so important?

I grew up in an affluent suburb in Texas, went to Ivy League college and grad school, and now I am working at a relatively high paying job (about $300k per year). My DH the same background and earns a little less than I do.

I always made sure that I volunteered and helped those less fortunate, and I am friend's with people with less education or lower income.

BUT why would living in a diverse school help me in any way? I think I did pretty well without going to a diverse school.

We live in MoCo right now with a toddler. If MoCo does too much the social engineering crap, we will send our toddler to private school for sure.

Perhaps if you had gone to a diverse school, you would know that $300,000 per year is not a "relatively" high-paying job. On your income alone, your household would have three times the median household income of Montgomery County, which is the 12th richest county in the US. If you have a household income of $500,000 (your $300,000 and $200,000 for your husband), it's five times the median income of Montgomery County and ten times the median income of the US. And it's good that you are friends with people with a lower income, since over 99% of households in the US have a lower income.

I'm not saying this for judgment. I'm saying this because I think it's an important thing to understand about the society you and I live in. And going to a diverse school helps a person understand it.

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Anonymous wrote:I just do not understand why I should choose high performing schools over diverse schools. Why is diversity so important?

I grew up in an affluent suburb in Texas, went to Ivy League college and grad school, and now I am working at a relatively high paying job (about $300k per year). My DH the same background and earns a little less than I do.

I always made sure that I volunteered and helped those less fortunate, and I am friend's with people with less education or lower income.

BUT why would living in a diverse school help me in any way? I think I did pretty well without going to a diverse school.

We live in MoCo right now with a toddler. If MoCo does too much the social engineering crap, we will send our toddler to private school for sure.

Short answer? Because it's your future, and your child's future. As of 2012, whites accounted for less than 50% of new births in America (49.6%); Hispanics, blacks, and Asians accounted for 50.4%. I don't know if you are white, but I know that all of the "high performing" schools in Montgomery County are majority white, and if your child attends them he or she is likely to grow up without knowing many nonwhite children (or non-rich children) as peers.

This, unfortunately, is how I grew up as well, and I distinctly remember referring to white skin as "regular," not seeing anything wrong with "flesh" colored crayons or band-aids or dolls, etc. I don't want my kids to grow up that way. They will all share this country when they grow up, and they need to learn to live and work together.

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Anonymous wrote:Md schools are the highest rated in the nation.

Without Montgomery and Howard Counties the public schools in Maryland don't look too great. Subtract those two counties and you will see the horrors that really exist in Maryland.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

But I do admire how many of my friends choose to improve their community schools.

I also admire people who help home schools, I just choose to help kids from those schools get into privates for free and I see a great result from that.

as an educational consultant/advocate, you mean?

No. I do not get paid to help kids. I volunteer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Md schools are the highest rated in the nation.

+1 These posters calling "apartheid" are delusional. Private school employees with students in the Maryland school system and parents are complete and utter insufferable hypocrites.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Md schools are the highest rated in the nation.

Without Montgomery and Howard Counties the public schools in Maryland don't look too great. Subtract those two counties and you will see the horrors that really exist in Maryland.

Frederick is catching up, I believe.

But Howard is now superior to Montgomery, as they tend to practice smart growth - especially in the Western parts.

but LOTS of money in Howard . . . LOTS!