MD public schools are segregated

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Anonymous wrote:Sometimes I think that "culture of achievement" referred to really is just helicopter parenting..making sure Billy always has someone right by his side making sure things go well. Grades slip..here is a tutor. Like French? Let's go to France this summer. Raise your hand in your tiny class, instant attention. I am not sure this creates a self sufficient, self inspired individual. There are many parts to an education and self sufficiency is a huge one.

I'm not the PP but I do get this. My 9yo kid hates school, plain and simple. He's not disinterested in learning - he actually has had weird obsessions with certain things since he was little and reads tons of nonfiction - but he just hates having to sit still and do classwork. He does it, because he has no other choice, and because he goes to a close-in high-performing public school where even in a classroom of 25 kids, the teachers are engaged. And the parents are engaged. And many if not most of the other kids are well-behaved and genuinely interested in learning. This is what I would call a "culture of achievement." If a kid like my son wound up at a school that didn't have this kind of culture, either because it was a poorly managed school or because a lot of the families in the school were too stressed by more immediate needs like working around the clock or worrying about where the next meal is coming from, it would be a disaster. He would definitely be getting into a lot of trouble, and he would certainly have failed math and writing. So yeah, I'm happy to live in the crappiest house in one of those mostly upper-income schools so that my kid will have a better chance of doing well in school. I want him to be "a self-sufficient, self-inspired (?) individual," but honestly right now he needs to master basic math first.

[Anonymous]

You are a whack job - plain and simple.

Anonymous wrote:My kids go to a private school in a very wealthy area. As they get older, I realize that I'm not paying for superior teachers or education. As an example, my DD fell quite a few percent on a standardized test from the beginning of the school year to the end. So we bring out the tutors/special classes to bring them up just as all of my friends would do. Our school has very high test scores but people would be deluding themselves if they think the school is the cause of the high test scores. It is correlation(population who values education versus this great machine of teachers who imparts wisdom on the kids).

So why do it? Peers have a large influence on children ( actually I think for all people). I want my daughter surrounded by like minded families. Yes, there are also the showy snobs but we would never be accepted in those circles anyway. These kids are more likely to flame out. So the kids remaining are more likely than her peers at public to come from families that value education. In public, she could find those peers but she could have just as easily found friends who don't value education. So I think the advantage that I give my daughter is that I increase the probability that she will be successful by putting her in a group that has a higher percentage of high achieving kids from where she can select her friends. I don't care about race, I am looking to buy into a culture of achievement.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also, I think the private schools prepare kids to be leaders rather than workers. My husband and I both went to public and we both agree that we were taught to be workers compared to my daughter who is being trained to be a leader lots of project/ presentations etc. I'm sure the HGC is similiar.

All public schools are the same... They did not teach u that in private school?

Some of you are so incredibly stupid. Where's the parenting?

So you're relying on schools to do YOUR job?

We pulled our kid from a small private b/c the teaching methods were far from extraordinary. I know good teaching; I train teachers.

And the point is this. Most private school teachers don't have HALF the pedagogy you'll find on a public school teacher's resume. truth

So why pay for mediocre? just to hobnob with the rich and famous? That's not education; it's enabling.

Furthermore, as a parent, it's YOUR job to instill in your child 1) a strong work ethic and 2) perseverance. So if Ms. Molly Moo is not the most engaging teacher, at least your kid is resourceful enough to make the class or the lessons engaging.

Public school - wherever it falls, whether it's diverse or homogeneous - teaches your child about real life. So no, I haven't seen evidence to show that private school creates leaders. I have, however, seen disadvantaged kids become leaders in public b/c of the opportunities available.

Parent, people! Don't enable! Teach your kids to be resourceful.

I am always amazed at the ignorance on these boards from such an "educated" group of people!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
During undergrad, I met a lot of kids who went to private schools for k-12. My impression of them was that they didn't come from a "culture of achievement" but rather they came from a "culture of privilege." Most of them lacked perspective and weren't capable of empathy.

I agree with this. And specifically my experience of prep school kids in college led me to conclude that mainly what a prep school education gives you is the skill to do your school work efficiently so that you can get drunk four nights a week. (Which is undeniably a skill, and furthermore a skill that I (a graduate of public schools) did not have.)

Your experience is limited. It would be like saying my experience with "black kids" is blah, blah,blah. Ay you know like 4 black kids.

Some prep kids are what you describe other are not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You are a whack job - plain and simple.

Ha ha ha.. I agree. I'm so glad I didn't have mother like this one below.

Anonymous wrote:My kids go to a private school in a very wealthy area. As they get older, I realize that I'm not paying for superior teachers or education. As an example, my DD fell quite a few percent on a standardized test from the beginning of the school year to the end. So we bring out the tutors/special classes to bring them up just as all of my friends would do. Our school has very high test scores but people would be deluding themselves if they think the school is the cause of the high test scores. It is correlation(population who values education versus this great machine of teachers who imparts wisdom on the kids).

So why do it? Peers have a large influence on children ( actually I think for all people). I want my daughter surrounded by like minded families. Yes, there are also the showy snobs but we would never be accepted in those circles anyway. These kids are more likely to flame out. So the kids remaining are more likely than her peers at public to come from families that value education. In public, she could find those peers but she could have just as easily found friends who don't value education. So I think the advantage that I give my daughter is that I increase the probability that she will be successful by putting her in a group that has a higher percentage of high achieving kids from where she can select her friends. I don't care about race, I am looking to buy into a culture of achievement.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
During undergrad, I met a lot of kids who went to private schools for k-12. My impression of them was that they didn't come from a "culture of achievement" but rather they came from a "culture of privilege." Most of them lacked perspective and weren't capable of empathy.

I agree with this. And specifically my experience of prep school kids in college led me to conclude that mainly what a prep school education gives you is the skill to do your school work efficiently so that you can get drunk four nights a week. (Which is undeniably a skill, and furthermore a skill that I (a graduate of public schools) did not have.)

I went to public HS and then attended a small liberal arts college that was also attended by many private school kids. While they didn't necessarily impress me academically, they were definitely advanced socially (partying, hooking up). It was also clear that the private school kids all knew each other and had a network that I didn't have. I'm sure many of them who partied and had a C average used that network to get good jobs after we graduated.

[Anonymous]

I also went to a large public high school and then a small liberal arts college. Many of the kids from private high schools were burnt out when they got to college and didn't work very hard.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also, I think the private schools prepare kids to be leaders rather than workers. My husband and I both went to public and we both agree that we were taught to be workers compared to my daughter who is being trained to be a leader lots of project/ presentations etc. I'm sure the HGC is similiar.

All public schools are the same... They did not teach u that in private school?

Some of you are so incredibly stupid. Where's the parenting?

So you're relying on schools to do YOUR job?

We pulled our kid from a small private b/c the teaching methods were far from extraordinary. I know good teaching; I train teachers.

And the point is this. Most private school teachers don't have HALF the pedagogy you'll find on a public school teacher's resume. truth

So why pay for mediocre? just to hobnob with the rich and famous? That's not education; it's enabling.

Furthermore, as a parent, it's YOUR job to instill in your child 1) a strong work ethic and 2) perseverance. So if Ms. Molly Moo is not the most engaging teacher, at least your kid is resourceful enough to make the class or the lessons engaging.

Public school - wherever it falls, whether it's diverse or homogeneous - teaches your child about real life. So no, I haven't seen evidence to show that private school creates leaders. I have, however, seen disadvantaged kids become leaders in public b/c of the opportunities available.

Parent, people! Don't enable! Teach your kids to be resourceful.

I am always amazed at the ignorance on these boards from such an "educated" group of people!

If you teach teachers and private school teachers are so inferior, then why would you have put your kid in the school in the first place? You may not agree with my rationale but I would never put my child in an environment that I thought was a worse one. Also, please explain what you mean by all public schools teach your child about real life. Am I to surmise that privates' don't?

[Anonymous]

Also the person who called me a whack job/ disapproves of my mothering skills are you going to debate the points or do you prefer to engage in ad hominem/ name calling attacks? Classy no.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also, I think the private schools prepare kids to be leaders rather than workers. My husband and I both went to public and we both agree that we were taught to be workers compared to my daughter who is being trained to be a leader lots of project/ presentations etc. I'm sure the HGC is similiar.

All public schools are the same... They did not teach u that in private school?

Some of you are so incredibly stupid. Where's the parenting?

So you're relying on schools to do YOUR job?

We pulled our kid from a small private b/c the teaching methods were far from extraordinary. I know good teaching; I train teachers.

And the point is this. Most private school teachers don't have HALF the pedagogy you'll find on a public school teacher's resume. truth

So why pay for mediocre? just to hobnob with the rich and famous? That's not education; it's enabling.

Furthermore, as a parent, it's YOUR job to instill in your child 1) a strong work ethic and 2) perseverance. So if Ms. Molly Moo is not the most engaging teacher, at least your kid is resourceful enough to make the class or the lessons engaging.

Public school - wherever it falls, whether it's diverse or homogeneous - teaches your child about real life. So no, I haven't seen evidence to show that private school creates leaders. I have, however, seen disadvantaged kids become leaders in public b/c of the opportunities available.

Parent, people! Don't enable! Teach your kids to be resourceful.

I am always amazed at the ignorance on these boards from such an "educated" group of people!

Actually what I meant to say is NOT all public schools are the same...i guess my public school education is showing (oops!)

[Anonymous]

Coming back to the thread...

I thought it was about how whites are not allowing blacks to go to their schools etc...

Sheesh!!!

[Anonymous]

MD public schools are segregated or are MD neighborhoods segregated? Can't help supply and demand of houses offering whatever size, commute, crime, pricing, etc. And it's too late to rip down a few lots and put in high density section 8 housing projects...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:MD public schools are segregated or are MD neighborhoods segregated?

Both are true. The school segregation is not de jure, but it is de facto. 60 years ago that would have actually mattered to the Supreme Court, but those days are long gone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MD public schools are segregated or are MD neighborhoods segregated?

Both are true. The school segregation is not de jure, but it is de facto. 60 years ago that would have actually mattered to the Supreme Court, but those days are long gone.

Mid-county not much segregation. Down county and upper county neighborhoods are segregated.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MD public schools are segregated or are MD neighborhoods segregated?

Both are true. The school segregation is not de jure, but it is de facto. 60 years ago that would have actually mattered to the Supreme Court, but those days are long gone.

Mid-county not much segregation. Down county and upper county neighborhoods are segregated.

Sorry, I am referring to MoCo.