BOB WOODWARD: Obama Is Showing 'A Kind Of Madness I Haven't Seen In A Long Time'

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Okay, let's do this dance again. You have already taught me all the steps so I know how it goes. You made a very specific charge. Let's review:

"Then there is Obama himself, stating Fox and and conservative radio should not be allowed to say what they do."

That's quoted above. So, can you provide documentation that Obama has stated that Fox and conservative radio should not be allowed to say what they do? That is a "yes" or "no" question. If "yes", please provide a means for us to review your documentation.

I know how this will go. You will expect me to find the source myself. You will attempt to change the subject. You will do everything possible to avoid saying that you were wrong in your allegation. Then, in a day or two, you will be pulling an equally unsupportable allegation out of your ass and we will going through this same routine again.

You didn't read the CNN link I posted? It's above your reply

First step of the dance, as expected. Yes, it is exactly because I read the article that I have asked you for a source supporting your very specific allegation. I know that you have previously stated that words are not important and we shouldn't pay attention to them, but I am a bit old fashioned and still believe that a word means what it means. The article you posted did not say that Obama said what you claim he said. Do you have a source to back up your allegation or not? If you believe the CNN article supports your allegation, please quote the relevant text. This is not really that hard.

[Anonymous]

I am not the original poster. I do not know if there is a direct quote from Obama or not. However, here is an article about Anita Dunn and Fox news. Dunn was speaking for the White House at that time and in that role is a surrogate for Obama.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/11/anita-dunn-fox-news-an-ou_n_316691.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/23/us/politics/23fox.html?_r=0

No quote from Obama. However, this happened in 2009 when Fox was excluded from the "pool".

OK so basically you don't have an Obama quote, and what you do have is a tiff over a 2009 interview with Kenneth Feinberg. During that same time New Corp gave over $1M to the Republican Governors' Association.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:I am not the original poster. I do not know if there is a direct quote from Obama or not. However, here is an article about Anita Dunn and Fox news. Dunn was speaking for the White House at that time and in that role is a surrogate for Obama.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/11/anita-dunn-fox-news-an-ou_n_316691.html

In addition to the poster's allegation that Obama is the one making the statement, there is the issue of what Obama is alleged to have said: that Fox and conservative radio should not be allowed to say what they do." The word "allowed" is very important in this context. Have Administration officials, including Obama, criticized Fox? Certainly. Has the Administration taken steps to retaliate against Fox? Again, yes. But, has Obama or anyone in his administration said that Fox should not be allowed to say whatever it wants? No.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am not the original poster. I do not know if there is a direct quote from Obama or not. However, here is an article about Anita Dunn and Fox news. Dunn was speaking for the White House at that time and in that role is a surrogate for Obama.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/11/anita-dunn-fox-news-an-ou_n_316691.html

In addition to the poster's allegation that Obama is the one making the statement, there is the issue of what Obama is alleged to have said: that Fox and conservative radio should not be allowed to say what they do." The word "allowed" is very important in this context. Have Administration officials, including Obama, criticized Fox? Certainly. Has the Administration taken steps to retaliate against Fox? Again, yes. But, has Obama or anyone in his administration said that Fox should not be allowed to say whatever it wants? No.

The funny part is, is that you think that it's not synonymous, that it's OK for the President and WH to target and retaliate against news media that doesn't support their position. When the President uses his position to both attack AND take steps to retaliate against media that speaks poorly about him, he stating quite clearly that the they should not be able to say whatever it wants.

Wake the f*ck up.

You just made Woodward's point. Congratulations.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am not the original poster. I do not know if there is a direct quote from Obama or not. However, here is an article about Anita Dunn and Fox news. Dunn was speaking for the White House at that time and in that role is a surrogate for Obama.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/11/anita-dunn-fox-news-an-ou_n_316691.html

In addition to the poster's allegation that Obama is the one making the statement, there is the issue of what Obama is alleged to have said: that Fox and conservative radio should not be allowed to say what they do." The word "allowed" is very important in this context. Have Administration officials, including Obama, criticized Fox? Certainly. Has the Administration taken steps to retaliate against Fox? Again, yes. But, has Obama or anyone in his administration said that Fox should not be allowed to say whatever it wants? No.

The funny part is, is that you think that it's not synonymous, that it's OK for the President and WH to target and retaliate against news media that doesn't support their position. When the President uses his position to both attack AND take steps to retaliate against media that speaks poorly about him, he stating quite clearly that the they should not be able to say whatever it wants.

Wake the f*ck up.

You just made Woodward's point. Congratulations.

Dance step number two: change the subject. Do you have a source to support your allegation or not? If so post it. If not, retract it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/23/us/politics/23fox.html?_r=0

No quote from Obama. However, this happened in 2009 when Fox was excluded from the "pool".

OK so basically you don't have an Obama quote, and what you do have is a tiff over a 2009 interview with Kenneth Feinberg. During that same time New Corp gave over $1M to the Republican Governors' Association.

I am the original poster and that isn't my post. I posted the CNN article that, I believe, also has a link to the New Republic Obama interview.

The article from 2009 that this poster put up shows how far back Obama's grudge goes.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am not the original poster. I do not know if there is a direct quote from Obama or not. However, here is an article about Anita Dunn and Fox news. Dunn was speaking for the White House at that time and in that role is a surrogate for Obama.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/11/anita-dunn-fox-news-an-ou_n_316691.html

In addition to the poster's allegation that Obama is the one making the statement, there is the issue of what Obama is alleged to have said: that Fox and conservative radio should not be allowed to say what they do." The word "allowed" is very important in this context. Have Administration officials, including Obama, criticized Fox? Certainly. Has the Administration taken steps to retaliate against Fox? Again, yes. But, has Obama or anyone in his administration said that Fox should not be allowed to say whatever it wants? No.

The funny part is, is that you think that it's not synonymous, that it's OK for the President and WH to target and retaliate against news media that doesn't support their position. When the President uses his position to both attack AND take steps to retaliate against media that speaks poorly about him, he stating quite clearly that the they should not be able to say whatever it wants.

Wake the f*ck up.

You just made Woodward's point. Congratulations.

Dance step number two: change the subject. Do you have a source to support your allegation or not? If so post it. If not, retract it.

No dance steps here. I'm right on subject. Again, the most recent sources are the CNN article which links back to the New Republic Interview. Obama is quite clear that (a) he hates Fox, etc. and (b) as you stated, he retaliates against them.

So how again is he ok with them stating that they can say whatever they want if he's retaliating? From the White House no less? Liberal journalists agree with me. I understand your emperor has no clothes, but that's not my issue

[Anonymous]

"Powers starts by quoting Obama’s recent diatribe to Chris Hughes of The New Republic (TNR) that "if a Republican member of Congress is not punished on Fox News ... for working with a Democrat on a bill of common interest, then you’ll see more of them doing it."

See more at: http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2013/01/29/Kirsten-Powers-Liberal-Fights-Back-Against-Obama-s-War-On-Fox-News#sthash.atPwJYoq.dpuf

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

No dance steps here. I'm right on subject. Again, the most recent sources are the CNN article which links back to the New Republic Interview. Obama is quite clear that (a) he hates Fox, etc. and (b) as you stated, he retaliates against them.

So how again is he ok with them stating that they can say whatever they want if he's retaliating? From the White House no less? Liberal journalists agree with me. I understand your emperor has no clothes, but that's not my issue

Repeat of dance step two. Where is the source of your allegation that Obama doesn't think Fox should be allowed to say what it does? You are now twisting things around and trying to suggest that opposite. Of course Obama is not ok with the network. Of course, if the network wants to act like a propaganda outlet for his political enemies, he will treat it as such. They will be allowed to say what they do. He is allowed to treat the network with disdain.

Can you back up your allegation or not? Quit talking about what you linked to and what that linked to. If you have a quote, post it. Put up or shut up.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

No dance steps here. I'm right on subject. Again, the most recent sources are the CNN article which links back to the New Republic Interview. Obama is quite clear that (a) he hates Fox, etc. and (b) as you stated, he retaliates against them.

So how again is he ok with them stating that they can say whatever they want if he's retaliating? From the White House no less? Liberal journalists agree with me. I understand your emperor has no clothes, but that's not my issue

Repeat of dance step two. Where is the source of your allegation that Obama doesn't think Fox should be allowed to say what it does? You are now twisting things around and trying to suggest that opposite. Of course Obama is not ok with the network. Of course, if the network wants to act like a propaganda outlet for his political enemies, he will treat it as such.They will be allowed to say what they do. He is allowed to treat the network with disdain.

Can you back up your allegation or not? Quit talking about what you linked to and what that linked to. If you have a quote, post it. Put up or shut up.

I backed up my allegation. You just don't like the answer, nor the quote he gave the New Republic, which essentially states if Fox would just shut up, then Republican congressmen would agree with him. It's Fox's fault, you see.

What I bolded says all I need to know about you and your liberalism. That you feel it's business as usual - even desirable - for the President of the United States to use the office of the Presidency to retaliate against 'it's political enemies' - and you consider those enemies US citizens that simply don't agree with the President's policies and are vocal about it.

Just.
Wow.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

No dance steps here. I'm right on subject. Again, the most recent sources are the CNN article which links back to the New Republic Interview. Obama is quite clear that (a) he hates Fox, etc. and (b) as you stated, he retaliates against them.

So how again is he ok with them stating that they can say whatever they want if he's retaliating? From the White House no less? Liberal journalists agree with me. I understand your emperor has no clothes, but that's not my issue

Repeat of dance step two. Where is the source of your allegation that Obama doesn't think Fox should be allowed to say what it does? You are now twisting things around and trying to suggest that opposite. Of course Obama is not ok with the network. Of course, if the network wants to act like a propaganda outlet for his political enemies, he will treat it as such.They will be allowed to say what they do. He is allowed to treat the network with disdain.

Can you back up your allegation or not? Quit talking about what you linked to and what that linked to. If you have a quote, post it. Put up or shut up.

I backed up my allegation. You just don't like the answer, nor the quote he gave the New Republic, which essentially states if Fox would just shut up, then Republican congressmen would agree with him. It's Fox's fault, you see.

What I bolded says all I need to know about you and your liberalism. That you feel it's business as usual - even desirable - for the President of the United States to use the office of the Presidency to retaliate against 'it's political enemies' - and you consider those enemies US citizens that simply don't agree with the President's policies and are vocal about it.

Just.
Wow.

Changing the subject again. Please post documentation supporting your allegation about Obama. Stop trying to change the subject. Put up or shut up.

[Anonymous]

What about the New Republic quote do you not get? You keep ignoring the quote - to what end?

You've exposed who you are, which was also part of my goal here. You've exposed yourself as a man who thinks it's just fine for the President to target citizens of the US who don't share his opinion as enemies - seek and destroy.

OK Alinsky

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:What about the New Republic quote do you not get? You keep ignoring the quote - to what end?

You've exposed who you are, which was also part of my goal here. You've exposed yourself as a man who thinks it's just fine for the President to target citizens of the US who don't share his opinion as enemies - seek and destroy.

OK Alinsky

Where is the quote? You keep talking about it, but where is it? Post it here. Quit dancing. Put up or shut up. Also, my words are in writing above. They are clear. Please stop misrepresenting them.

[Anonymous]

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