BOB WOODWARD: Obama Is Showing 'A Kind Of Madness I Haven't Seen In A Long Time'

jsteele
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Anonymous wrote:The issue is NOT whether Woodward was threatened. The issue is that Woodward wrote an article that the White House did not want "out".
Everyone is now talking about the interaction between Woodward and the White House--not what Woodward wrote. What Woodward wrote is contrary to the White House Talking Points. That is why Sperling got angry.

A couple of weeks ago the White House was denying that sequestration was its idea--when Woodward said it was, the White House backtracked and even Jay Carney admitted that it came from the White House (I think it was Lew's idea.) When Woodward said that part of the deal was that taxes would be off the table, it totally demolishes the White House position.

The fact is that Obama has gotten tax increases. There are tons of taxes in the Affordable Health Care Act and the Republicans agreed to raising taxes on the higher earners a couple of months ago---but now, he still wants increases.
Read your history, every time the GOP agrees to taxes along with spending cuts, the taxes happen and the spending cuts disappear. Is it any wonder they want a bill with cuts?


This poster appears to have misunderstood many aspects of this story:

1) What Woodward wrote was not only contrary to the White House talking points, it was contrary to Woodward's own book about the debt ceiling negotiations;

2) The White House was not denying that sequestration was its idea. It doesn't matter whose idea it was. The Republican-majority House and the Democratic Majority Senate both passed it and Obama signed it. Regardless of who thought of it, it was supported by all parties. After the negotiations that led to the sequester deal, Boehner bragged that he had received "98% of what he wanted." He immediately circulated a PowerPoint presentation explaining the sequestration and he supported its passage in the House

3) The Woodward allegation that led to the exchange with Sperling was that Obama had "moved the goalposts" by demanding that revenue be included in a sequestration replacement. As Woodward's own book illustrates, Obama had asked for revenues during the debt ceiling negotiations but could not get Boehner to agree. They then settled on the sequestration arrangement. In the current negotiations, Obama is continuing to take the same position that he had in the previous negotiations. As the Sperling email makes clear, he was upset that Woodward was refusing to acknowledge that the Administration position had always been a balanced approach that included revenues, cuts, and entitlement exchange. I can understand Sperling's frustration that Woodward was ignoring this given that Woodward himself had written about it.

4) If you believe we have a deficit problem -- and I don't believe we do -- then you must understand that reducing the deficit can occur through either additional revenues or by cuts. It doesn't matter whether there have been previous tax increases. It doesn't change this simple fact. The Republicans only want cuts and they want those cuts to come from domestic discretionary spending and entitlements (the old, the sick, and the poor). That is their position and it is a valid position. The President wants a combination of revenue raised from closing tax loopholes and cuts which include the military. That is a equally valid position. The American people need to decide which position it favors. Most public opinion polls show the public siding with the President.

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Do you think Bob saw the live video of Benghazi? I know he and Fox do great reporting! I saw he has a high place source in the friends of Hamas.


Ummm , his sources are his friends in the CIA and just his basic social circle, which includes him socially because he can be of use to them . His contacts , his livelihood, in a sense his whole life in Washington is dependent on him being "of use" . I suppose after a few years of that, let alone decades of that a man comes to feel self important, but really Woodward is just a stenographer , leak dropper, imho



Bart: How could you, Krusty? I'd never lend my name to an inferior product.

Krusty: Ohh, they drove a dump truck full of money up to my house. I'm not made of stone! <sobs>
Anonymous
After the release of the email exchange between Bob Woodward an an adminstration official (Sperling), I would say that Woodward is showing either (1) an inflated sense of self-regard that is off the charts even by Washington standards or (2) early senility.
Anonymous
4) If you believe we have a deficit problem -- and I don't believe we do -- then you must understand that reducing the deficit can occur through either additional revenues or by cuts. It doesn't matter whether there have been previous tax increases. It doesn't change this simple fact. The Republicans only want cuts and they want those cuts to come from domestic discretionary spending and entitlements (the old, the sick, and the poor). That is their position and it is a valid position. The President wants a combination of revenue raised from closing tax loopholes and cuts which include the military. That is a equally valid position. The American people need to decide which position it favors. Most public opinion polls show the public siding with the President.



You could tax the 1% at 100% and still not have enough revenue.
Also, all the public opinion polls I have seen have you choose between two sides: The President or the Republicans in Congress. Almost never are Harry Reid and the Senate Democrats mentioned. Occasionally, the Dems are lumped in with the President--but rarely. You and I both know that polls depend on the questions and how they are asked.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
4) If you believe we have a deficit problem -- and I don't believe we do -- then you must understand that reducing the deficit can occur through either additional revenues or by cuts. It doesn't matter whether there have been previous tax increases. It doesn't change this simple fact. The Republicans only want cuts and they want those cuts to come from domestic discretionary spending and entitlements (the old, the sick, and the poor). That is their position and it is a valid position. The President wants a combination of revenue raised from closing tax loopholes and cuts which include the military. That is a equally valid position. The American people need to decide which position it favors. Most public opinion polls show the public siding with the President.




You could tax the 1% at 100% and still not have enough revenue.
Also, all the public opinion polls I have seen have you choose between two sides: The President or the Republicans in Congress. Almost never are Harry Reid and the Senate Democrats mentioned. Occasionally, the Dems are lumped in with the President--but rarely. You and I both know that polls depend on the questions and how they are asked.


So what? You can tax the 1% at 50% and eliminate loopholes and have a much much smaller problem. Just because something is not a panacea doesn't mean it's not a key component of a solution.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote: Then there is Obama himself, stating Fox and and conservative radio should not be allowed to say what they do.


You'll forgive us if we wait for an actual cite before accepting this version of events. Then for laughing at you when you either fail to produce one. That's how we roll on the left. We don't just gormlessly swallow whatever someone on the Internet (or conservative media) tells us. Supporting your assertions: it's fun & easy!


Really? You missed this? Multiple times? YouTube is forever
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote: Then there is Obama himself, stating Fox and and conservative radio should not be allowed to say what they do.


You'll forgive us if we wait for an actual cite before accepting this version of events. Then for laughing at you when you either fail to produce one. That's how we roll on the left. We don't just gormlessly swallow whatever someone on the Internet (or conservative media) tells us. Supporting your assertions: it's fun & easy!


Really? You missed this? Multiple times? YouTube is forever


I know this is all new to you, but saying "Youtube.com" is not supporting your assertions. Assume I don't watch Hannity all day long then try again.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote: Then there is Obama himself, stating Fox and and conservative radio should not be allowed to say what they do.


You'll forgive us if we wait for an actual cite before accepting this version of events. Then for laughing at you when you either fail to produce one. That's how we roll on the left. We don't just gormlessly swallow whatever someone on the Internet (or conservative media) tells us. Supporting your assertions: it's fun & easy!


Really? You missed this? Multiple times? YouTube is forever


I know this is all new to you, but saying "Youtube.com" is not supporting your assertions. Assume I don't watch Hannity all day long then try again.


You can see vids of Obama speaking on youtube about Fox, Rush Limbaugh, etc. Even mainstream has questioned whether or not the White House should be going there, due to the First Amendment.

I am shocked you are not aware of any of this. Obama has been quite vocal about his hate for right wing radio and Fox News. What media do you peruse?
jsteele
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote: Then there is Obama himself, stating Fox and and conservative radio should not be allowed to say what they do.


You'll forgive us if we wait for an actual cite before accepting this version of events. Then for laughing at you when you either fail to produce one. That's how we roll on the left. We don't just gormlessly swallow whatever someone on the Internet (or conservative media) tells us. Supporting your assertions: it's fun & easy!


Really? You missed this? Multiple times? YouTube is forever


I know this is all new to you, but saying "Youtube.com" is not supporting your assertions. Assume I don't watch Hannity all day long then try again.


You can see vids of Obama speaking on youtube about Fox, Rush Limbaugh, etc. Even mainstream has questioned whether or not the White House should be going there, due to the First Amendment.

I am shocked you are not aware of any of this. Obama has been quite vocal about his hate for right wing radio and Fox News. What media do you peruse?


Okay, let's do this dance again. You have already taught me all the steps so I know how it goes. You made a very specific charge. Let's review:

"Then there is Obama himself, stating Fox and and conservative radio should not be allowed to say what they do."

That's quoted above. So, can you provide documentation that Obama has stated that Fox and conservative radio should not be allowed to say what they do? That is a "yes" or "no" question. If "yes", please provide a means for us to review your documentation.

I know how this will go. You will expect me to find the source myself. You will attempt to change the subject. You will do everything possible to avoid saying that you were wrong in your allegation. Then, in a day or two, you will be pulling an equally unsupportable allegation out of your ass and we will going through this same routine again.

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Do you think Bob saw the live video of Benghazi? I know he and Fox do great reporting! I saw he has a high place source in the friends of Hamas.


Ummm , his sources are his friends in the CIA and just his basic social circle, which includes him socially because he can be of use to them . His contacts , his livelihood, in a sense his whole life in Washington is dependent on him being "of use" . I suppose after a few years of that, let alone decades of that a man comes to feel self important, but really Woodward is just a stenographer , leak dropper, imho



Bart: How could you, Krusty? I'd never lend my name to an inferior product.

Krusty: Ohh, they drove a dump truck full of money up to my house. I'm not made of stone! <sobs>

Hmmm.... who would it further my career to write a book about, next ?? Well, Andrea and Allen have been friendly lately, and their house is down the road...
Anonymous
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote: Then there is Obama himself, stating Fox and and conservative radio should not be allowed to say what they do.


You'll forgive us if we wait for an actual cite before accepting this version of events. Then for laughing at you when you either fail to produce one. That's how we roll on the left. We don't just gormlessly swallow whatever someone on the Internet (or conservative media) tells us. Supporting your assertions: it's fun & easy!


Really? You missed this? Multiple times? YouTube is forever


I know this is all new to you, but saying "Youtube.com" is not supporting your assertions. Assume I don't watch Hannity all day long then try again.


You can see vids of Obama speaking on youtube about Fox, Rush Limbaugh, etc. Even mainstream has questioned whether or not the White House should be going there, due to the First Amendment.

I am shocked you are not aware of any of this. Obama has been quite vocal about his hate for right wing radio and Fox News. What media do you peruse?


Okay, let's do this dance again. You have already taught me all the steps so I know how it goes. You made a very specific charge. Let's review:

"Then there is Obama himself, stating Fox and and conservative radio should not be allowed to say what they do."

That's quoted above. So, can you provide documentation that Obama has stated that Fox and conservative radio should not be allowed to say what they do? That is a "yes" or "no" question. If "yes", please provide a means for us to review your documentation.

I know how this will go. You will expect me to find the source myself. You will attempt to change the subject. You will do everything possible to avoid saying that you were wrong in your allegation. Then, in a day or two, you will be pulling an equally unsupportable allegation out of your ass and we will going through this same routine again.



Don't be hard on him. The channel changer on his TV is broken.
Anonymous
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote: Then there is Obama himself, stating Fox and and conservative radio should not be allowed to say what they do.


You'll forgive us if we wait for an actual cite before accepting this version of events. Then for laughing at you when you either fail to produce one. That's how we roll on the left. We don't just gormlessly swallow whatever someone on the Internet (or conservative media) tells us. Supporting your assertions: it's fun & easy!


Really? You missed this? Multiple times? YouTube is forever


I know this is all new to you, but saying "Youtube.com" is not supporting your assertions. Assume I don't watch Hannity all day long then try again.


You can see vids of Obama speaking on youtube about Fox, Rush Limbaugh, etc. Even mainstream has questioned whether or not the White House should be going there, due to the First Amendment.

I am shocked you are not aware of any of this. Obama has been quite vocal about his hate for right wing radio and Fox News. What media do you peruse?


Okay, let's do this dance again. You have already taught me all the steps so I know how it goes. You made a very specific charge. Let's review:

"Then there is Obama himself, stating Fox and and conservative radio should not be allowed to say what they do."

That's quoted above. So, can you provide documentation that Obama has stated that Fox and conservative radio should not be allowed to say what they do? That is a "yes" or "no" question. If "yes", please provide a means for us to review your documentation.

I know how this will go. You will expect me to find the source myself. You will attempt to change the subject. You will do everything possible to avoid saying that you were wrong in your allegation. Then, in a day or two, you will be pulling an equally unsupportable allegation out of your ass and we will going through this same routine again.



You didn't read the CNN link I posted? It's above your reply
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote: Then there is Obama himself, stating Fox and and conservative radio should not be allowed to say what they do.


You'll forgive us if we wait for an actual cite before accepting this version of events. Then for laughing at you when you either fail to produce one. That's how we roll on the left. We don't just gormlessly swallow whatever someone on the Internet (or conservative media) tells us. Supporting your assertions: it's fun & easy!


Really? You missed this? Multiple times? YouTube is forever


I know this is all new to you, but saying "Youtube.com" is not supporting your assertions. Assume I don't watch Hannity all day long then try again.


You can see vids of Obama speaking on youtube about Fox, Rush Limbaugh, etc. Even mainstream has questioned whether or not the White House should be going there, due to the First Amendment.

I am shocked you are not aware of any of this. Obama has been quite vocal about his hate for right wing radio and Fox News. What media do you peruse?


Okay, let's do this dance again. You have already taught me all the steps so I know how it goes. You made a very specific charge. Let's review:

"Then there is Obama himself, stating Fox and and conservative radio should not be allowed to say what they do."

That's quoted above. So, can you provide documentation that Obama has stated that Fox and conservative radio should not be allowed to say what they do? That is a "yes" or "no" question. If "yes", please provide a means for us to review your documentation.

I know how this will go. You will expect me to find the source myself. You will attempt to change the subject. You will do everything possible to avoid saying that you were wrong in your allegation. Then, in a day or two, you will be pulling an equally unsupportable allegation out of your ass and we will going through this same routine again.



Don't be hard on him. The channel changer on his TV is broken.


He must not be able to read as well, given that I posted a link to a CNN article from last month.
Anonymous
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/23/us/politics/23fox.html?_r=0

No quote from Obama. However, this happened in 2009 when Fox was excluded from the "pool".
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