I’m "closet" anti-LBGT

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Well, since we're confessing our deep seated prejudices, I'm a lesbian and....

I think SAHMs are living half a life and after about 10 minutes at home, their brains start to decay till they literally become as intelligent and interesting as their infants.

I think WOHMs who hire and proceed to micromanage their nannys should never have had children to begin with. Those are little people, lady, not fashion accessories.

I think anyone who pays $1M for a house and anything at all for education before college is a pretentious moron.

I think $1,500 double strollers are a sign of the apocalypse.

I think those yoga pants make your ass look HUGE.

I'm sorry, I think I got off the subject.... what were you saying about me again?

So, what you've done is insulted women on this thread who very well may be amongst your most ardent supporters.

Nice, real nice. You may not know this after being on DCUM for so long, but you don't have to respond to bitchiness by being a bitch yourself.

Rise above.

BTW, I'm black. I have ZERO problems with folks who have a problem with interracial marriage or even those who harbor stereotypical mindsets about black people. Unless you are harming and/or attempting to oppress black people, you can think whatever the hell you want. Trying to get everyone to accept you is a wasted effort.

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Anonymous wrote:50-100 years from now, the younger generation will look back and wonder what we were smoking disallowing gay marriage. And our generation will look back and long for the times when "things made sense". Just like we look back now and marvel at the utter stupidity of slavery and segregation and older generations long for times when "things were simpler and everybody not only knew their place but stayed in it"

No one was ever in the closet about their race though. Unless you could easily pass as a white person, black people were unable to hide their race. You can hide your sexuality and because of this I would not say that it is comparable to racism or slavery. While no one should ever have to hide it, it is possible unlike skin color.

What about interfaith marriage?

I would still say that interfaith marriage is not comparable to racism and segregation based on skin color. You can hide your religion.

Would you have a problem if a state decided to ban interfaith marriages?

If states banned interfaith marriage it would still not be comparable to lynchings, racism, or segregated facilities. There would still be many places to retreat to for interfaith marriage. I do not think that those discriminated against based on race could easily leave the country and not face similar discrimination. There is racism in many countries, there was a thread about racism in Spain recently in the travel forum. It would still be easier for an interfaith couple to be accepted in Spain for instance. Just one country out of many with color complexes.

I agree. The fight for gay rights is a fight for civil rights, but it's not the American Civil Rights Movement and to equate the two does an injustice to both.

I agree that in 100 years, society will think it was absurd to ban gay marriage. It is. But it simply does not compare to lynching, being a piece of property, being defined as 3/5 of a person, mass killings in towns, an average of one person per day being murdered in a town during the Nadir of US race relations, schools being burned down, churches being bombed- and all this either written ino the law of the nation or condoned by way of indifference or even encouragement.

They do not compare, so let's not try to. Horrible things have happened because of racism. Horrible things have happened because of homophobia. Let's do them justice by treating them as separate issues.

This. These should be separate issues, it is unfair to both groups to combine these.

I agree that they are separate issues, but they are related. Racism and homophobia come from the same root cause: fear/hatred of people who are different than you. It's important to understand where these kinds of issues come from so that they can be fought.

Yes, but you cannot fight the same fight for both. The two movements have to be fought separately in order to achieve any equality for either group.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:One day most likely you will find that someone you love dearly is gay--a child, a sibling, perhaps a best friend--and you will hopefully find it in your heart to let them be who are they meant to be. We knew my littlest brother was "different" at the age of 6 (we didn't want to steer him one way or other but many many clues were there)! He is an adult now and very out of the closet, no surprise; completely blindsided by other brother coming out of the closet soon after (he was a boy's boy). But both are happier now, not pretending to be what they are not. Wishing you peace on your path to acceptance.

that is not uncommon. Maybe both sons really hated their dad?[/quote


Oh, yeah, totally more likely than the obvious factor that sexuality is genetically determined. Two brothers with the same trait - can't be genetic, must be something they ate.

And before someone says that if it were genes it would have died out, our genetic code is a product of both parents. Turns out that when these two people joined their genes, gayness was in the cards.

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Anonymous wrote:50-100 years from now, the younger generation will look back and wonder what we were smoking disallowing gay marriage. And our generation will look back and long for the times when "things made sense". Just like we look back now and marvel at the utter stupidity of slavery and segregation and older generations long for times when "things were simpler and everybody not only knew their place but stayed in it"

No one was ever in the closet about their race though. Unless you could easily pass as a white person, black people were unable to hide their race. You can hide your sexuality and because of this I would not say that it is comparable to racism or slavery. While no one should ever have to hide it, it is possible unlike skin color.

What about interfaith marriage?

I would still say that interfaith marriage is not comparable to racism and segregation based on skin color. You can hide your religion.

Would you have a problem if a state decided to ban interfaith marriages?

If states banned interfaith marriage it would still not be comparable to lynchings, racism, or segregated facilities. There would still be many places to retreat to for interfaith marriage. I do not think that those discriminated against based on race could easily leave the country and not face similar discrimination. There is racism in many countries, there was a thread about racism in Spain recently in the travel forum. It would still be easier for an interfaith couple to be accepted in Spain for instance. Just one country out of many with color complexes.

I agree. The fight for gay rights is a fight for civil rights, but it's not the American Civil Rights Movement and to equate the two does an injustice to both.

I agree that in 100 years, society will think it was absurd to ban gay marriage. It is. But it simply does not compare to lynching, being a piece of property, being defined as 3/5 of a person, mass killings in towns, an average of one person per day being murdered in a town during the Nadir of US race relations, schools being burned down, churches being bombed- and all this either written ino the law of the nation or condoned by way of indifference or even encouragement.

They do not compare, so let's not try to. Horrible things have happened because of racism. Horrible things have happened because of homophobia. Let's do them justice by treating them as separate issues.

This. These should be separate issues, it is unfair to both groups to combine these.

I agree that they are separate issues, but they are related. Racism and homophobia come from the same root cause: fear/hatred of people who are different than you. It's important to understand where these kinds of issues come from so that they can be fought.

Yes, but you cannot fight the same fight for both. The two movements have to be fought separately in order to achieve any equality for either group.

Why? There are clear similarities between the two fights. Why not point that out?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Well, since we're confessing our deep seated prejudices, I'm a lesbian and....

I think SAHMs are living half a life and after about 10 minutes at home, their brains start to decay till they literally become as intelligent and interesting as their infants.

I think WOHMs who hire and proceed to micromanage their nannys should never have had children to begin with. Those are little people, lady, not fashion accessories.

I think anyone who pays $1M for a house and anything at all for education before college is a pretentious moron.

I think $1,500 double strollers are a sign of the apocalypse.

I think those yoga pants make your ass look HUGE.

I'm sorry, I think I got off the subject.... what were you saying about me again?

So, what you've done is insulted women on this thread who very well may be amongst your most ardent supporters.

Nice, real nice. You may not know this after being on DCUM for so long, but you don't have to respond to bitchiness by being a bitch yourself.

Rise above.

BTW, I'm black. I have ZERO problems with folks who have a problem with interracial marriage or even those who harbor stereotypical mindsets about black people. Unless you are harming and/or attempting to oppress black people, you can think whatever the hell you want. Trying to get everyone to accept you is a wasted effort.

The thing is, it can't exist in a vacuum. Of course I don't try to convert every racist into a non-racist, but if the person is in any position of power at all, their racist views do harm black people. A racist teacher, a racist healthcare provider, a racist cop, a racist judge, a racist employer....

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Anonymous wrote:Thanks for making me wonder if some of our straight friends secretly think our marriage should be recognized.

sad to think pp but they probably do.

PP, If I'm one of your straight friends, I hope you know that I cried when CA passed Prop 8 and cheered for the decision overturning it and for every state recognizing marriage equality. I don't show you how excited I am about it because I don't want you to think that I'm only talking to you about it because you're gay.

And, I am happy that my kids have you in their lives because if one or more turns out to be gay or lesbian, I am glad that they will have someone in their lives that can understand them in a way that I'm unable to. And if they're straight I'm thrilled that they will be able to laugh at the absurd caricatures of gays and lesbians painted by the right-wings because they know firsthand how kind and committed you are.

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OP, you're a douchebag.

No, I'm not. If you knew me, you would never say that, either. Just relaying how I feel. I have respect for the posts here, for and against my views.

[Anonymous]

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Why? There are clear similarities between the two fights. Why not point that out?

The similarities are few. The gay rights movement should be created on its own strength. And when most people point it out, they just say "Gays rights is just like the Civil Rights Movement!!!!1!!", without actually making the valid comparison, as a PP pointed out, that they're both rooted in fear and ignorance.

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Anonymous wrote:50-100 years from now, the younger generation will look back and wonder what we were smoking disallowing gay marriage. And our generation will look back and long for the times when "things made sense". Just like we look back now and marvel at the utter stupidity of slavery and segregation and older generations long for times when "things were simpler and everybody not only knew their place but stayed in it"

No one was ever in the closet about their race though. Unless you could easily pass as a white person, black people were unable to hide their race. You can hide your sexuality and because of this I would not say that it is comparable to racism or slavery. While no one should ever have to hide it, it is possible unlike skin color.

What about interfaith marriage?

I would still say that interfaith marriage is not comparable to racism and segregation based on skin color. You can hide your religion.

Would you have a problem if a state decided to ban interfaith marriages?

If states banned interfaith marriage it would still not be comparable to lynchings, racism, or segregated facilities. There would still be many places to retreat to for interfaith marriage. I do not think that those discriminated against based on race could easily leave the country and not face similar discrimination. There is racism in many countries, there was a thread about racism in Spain recently in the travel forum. It would still be easier for an interfaith couple to be accepted in Spain for instance. Just one country out of many with color complexes.

I agree. The fight for gay rights is a fight for civil rights, but it's not the American Civil Rights Movement and to equate the two does an injustice to both.

I agree that in 100 years, society will think it was absurd to ban gay marriage. It is. But it simply does not compare to lynching, being a piece of property, being defined as 3/5 of a person, mass killings in towns, an average of one person per day being murdered in a town during the Nadir of US race relations, schools being burned down, churches being bombed- and all this either written ino the law of the nation or condoned by way of indifference or even encouragement.

They do not compare, so let's not try to. Horrible things have happened because of racism. Horrible things have happened because of homophobia. Let's do them justice by treating them as separate issues.

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[Anonymous]

I think I would be much more ok with gay rights if they were more subdued and respectful about it. I know that some thing the more in-your-face approach is better to get change, but there are limits. Last summer I came across 5 or 6 mostly naked guys on bikes when walking with my 4 year old in DC (a gay pride event apparently). Or seeing men kissing at the beach in Delaware. Prides where the men are in drag and leather. Plus the gay community is notoriously promiscuous. Just some turns offs for me.

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Anonymous wrote:50-100 years from now, the younger generation will look back and wonder what we were smoking disallowing gay marriage. And our generation will look back and long for the times when "things made sense". Just like we look back now and marvel at the utter stupidity of slavery and segregation and older generations long for times when "things were simpler and everybody not only knew their place but stayed in it"

No one was ever in the closet about their race though. Unless you could easily pass as a white person, black people were unable to hide their race. You can hide your sexuality and because of this I would not say that it is comparable to racism or slavery. While no one should ever have to hide it, it is possible unlike skin color.

What about interfaith marriage?

I would still say that interfaith marriage is not comparable to racism and segregation based on skin color. You can hide your religion.

Would you have a problem if a state decided to ban interfaith marriages?

If states banned interfaith marriage it would still not be comparable to lynchings, racism, or segregated facilities. There would still be many places to retreat to for interfaith marriage. I do not think that those discriminated against based on race could easily leave the country and not face similar discrimination. There is racism in many countries, there was a thread about racism in Spain recently in the travel forum. It would still be easier for an interfaith couple to be accepted in Spain for instance. Just one country out of many with color complexes.

I agree. The fight for gay rights is a fight for civil rights, but it's not the American Civil Rights Movement and to equate the two does an injustice to both.

I agree that in 100 years, society will think it was absurd to ban gay marriage. It is. But it simply does not compare to lynching, being a piece of property, being defined as 3/5 of a person, mass killings in towns, an average of one person per day being murdered in a town during the Nadir of US race relations, schools being burned down, churches being bombed- and all this either written ino the law of the nation or condoned by way of indifference or even encouragement.

They do not compare, so let's not try to. Horrible things have happened because of racism. Horrible things have happened because of homophobia. Let's do them justice by treating them as separate issues.

This. These should be separate issues, it is unfair to both groups to combine these.

I agree that they are separate issues, but they are related. Racism and homophobia come from the same root cause: fear/hatred of people who are different than you. It's important to understand where these kinds of issues come from so that they can be fought.

Just because I don't agree with you (gay marriage) does not mean I FEAR you or HATE you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think I would be much more ok with gay rights if they were more subdued and respectful about it. I know that some thing the more in-your-face approach is better to get change, but there are limits. Last summer I came across 5 or 6 mostly naked guys on bikes when walking with my 4 year old in DC (a gay pride event apparently). Or seeing men kissing at the beach in Delaware. Prides where the men are in drag and leather. Plus the gay community is notoriously promiscuous. Just some turns offs for me.

Are you just as turned off when you see heteros kissing at the beach? or young women walking down the street in short shorts with cleavage up the wazoo?

Really? gay community is notoriously promiscuous and heterosexuals are not???

[Anonymous]

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Just because I don't agree with you (gay marriage) does not mean I FEAR you or HATE you.

Sure it does. The anti-gay-marriage movement boils down to "I believe that gays are less than me." No other way around it. None.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So, what you've done is insulted women on this thread who very well may be amongst your most ardent supporters.

Nice, real nice. You may not know this after being on DCUM for so long, but you don't have to respond to bitchiness by being a bitch yourself.

Rise above.

BTW, I'm black. I have ZERO problems with folks who have a problem with interracial marriage or even those who harbor stereotypical mindsets about black people. Unless you are harming and/or attempting to oppress black people, you can think whatever the hell you want. Trying to get everyone to accept you is a wasted effort.

You know what? If this thread were about how icky black people are, and how they don't deserve to marry or raise kids, and how my kids shouldn't be exposed to them too early because seeing black people is confusing.... I kind think your inner bitch would be making an appearance.

FWIW, I didn't mean any of that. Well, except for the part about the yoga pants.

[Anonymous]

I have no issues with OP's or anyone else's feelings about gay people. Frankly is all a matter of opinion BUT I think that it is WRONG to deny them any opportunity or benefit that is routine for straight people.

[Anonymous]

There is no rational basis for denying two men or two women the same rights provided one man and one woman.