all these affordable housing do gooders are doing the billionaires' work

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Anonymous wrote:Of course they are doing billionaires work. Ezra Klein and Peter Thiel are buddies. It’s all part of the plan. The YIMBYs are just the useful idiots of the left, the analog of the MAGAs on the right.

Oh no! Affordable housing! How scary! I wonder if you honestly believe this or are just trying to stir the pot.

Housing is already affordable. YIMBYs like to conveniently act as though incomes in this area aren’t astronomical. The median HHI in Moco is about $170k. With the high salaries here, people easily fill up all the apartment buildings that they claim are not affordable. And if you’re at the lower end of the income scale, you can live in an older building, live further out, and/or get a roommate. The options are there. We don’t need to give handouts to developers, change zoning, or manipulate the market to make housing more “affordable” (which paradoxically just raises prices for people who don’t qualify for affordable units). So yes, YIMBYs are idiots.

You are f-ing delusional.

DP. The broad statements about housing being unaffordable are misleading. It is true that too many people are rent burdened. Few of the programs implemented help these households because they are aimed at market rate housing. It is also true that the price of homes for purchase has gone up too fast. Here again, the programs implemented don’t help prospective buyers. In fact, some of them will decrease the number of homes available for purchase.

Median rent in Montgomery County is well below 30 percent of median household income, and over the past two decades, rent increases have been lower than broad inflation on an annualized basis. This suggests that the rental market is in balance or slightly loose. More recently, since rent stabilization took effect, rents have fallen year over year.

The two parts that still need to be solved for are low-income, rent-burdened households and stimulating production of homes for purchase, especially townhouses.

So exactly what YIMBYS are pushing for.

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Anonymous wrote:I will also point out how myopic this group is: they only want to build more apartments, with no regard to infrastructure like traffic, schools, libraries, police and fire stations, parks to play in for all the kids who inevitably are going to end up living in those apartments. Any anyone who disagrees with them, or brings up any other angles (including schools), is immediately labeled a racist/bigot

Thats not really true. They want more housing because housing is expensive and simply supply/demand suggests if you build more housing, at least the rental rates aor ability to purchase wills stabilize. I do not know where anyone on this thread is posting from, but let's assume it is DC....there is plenty of school capacity, DC Water and PEPCO are building our infrastructure thanks to the IRA and rate increases; road capacity isn't going to change, so that is why people support mass transit and bikes/scooters. Single occupancy vehicles are the biggest waste of space in the transportation landscape. Single family Housing is the least efficient way to house humans. That doesn't mean cars or SFH should be eliminated - no one is suggesting that. What they are advocating is a more rational allocation of land.

Wrong. Taking away traffic lanes to put in bike lanes hardly anyone uses is the biggest waste of space in the transportation landscape. And it is isn’t even close.

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Anonymous wrote:Of course they are doing billionaires work. Ezra Klein and Peter Thiel are buddies. It’s all part of the plan. The YIMBYs are just the useful idiots of the left, the analog of the MAGAs on the right.

Oh no! Affordable housing! How scary! I wonder if you honestly believe this or are just trying to stir the pot.

Housing is already affordable. YIMBYs like to conveniently act as though incomes in this area aren’t astronomical. The median HHI in Moco is about $170k. With the high salaries here, people easily fill up all the apartment buildings that they claim are not affordable. And if you’re at the lower end of the income scale, you can live in an older building, live further out, and/or get a roommate. The options are there. We don’t need to give handouts to developers, change zoning, or manipulate the market to make housing more “affordable” (which paradoxically just raises prices for people who don’t qualify for affordable units). So yes, YIMBYs are idiots.

You are f-ing delusional.

DP. The broad statements about housing being unaffordable are misleading. It is true that too many people are rent burdened. Few of the programs implemented help these households because they are aimed at market rate housing. It is also true that the price of homes for purchase has gone up too fast. Here again, the programs implemented don’t help prospective buyers. In fact, some of them will decrease the number of homes available for purchase.

Median rent in Montgomery County is well below 30 percent of median household income, and over the past two decades, rent increases have been lower than broad inflation on an annualized basis. This suggests that the rental market is in balance or slightly loose. More recently, since rent stabilization took effect, rents have fallen year over year.

The two parts that still need to be solved for are low-income, rent-burdened households and stimulating production of homes for purchase, especially townhouses.

So exactly what YIMBYS are pushing for.

YIMBYs push for houses or ADUs, which gets twisted into housing. Invariably, housing comes to mean high density so that the local government can just build one big apartment building. Surprise, lots of housing and no one is happy. Apartments don't attract the high earners for long. And again, apartment renters short change the local property taxes.

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Anonymous wrote:Of course they are doing billionaires work. Ezra Klein and Peter Thiel are buddies. It’s all part of the plan. The YIMBYs are just the useful idiots of the left, the analog of the MAGAs on the right.

Oh no! Affordable housing! How scary! I wonder if you honestly believe this or are just trying to stir the pot.

Housing is already affordable. YIMBYs like to conveniently act as though incomes in this area aren’t astronomical. The median HHI in Moco is about $170k. With the high salaries here, people easily fill up all the apartment buildings that they claim are not affordable. And if you’re at the lower end of the income scale, you can live in an older building, live further out, and/or get a roommate. The options are there. We don’t need to give handouts to developers, change zoning, or manipulate the market to make housing more “affordable” (which paradoxically just raises prices for people who don’t qualify for affordable units). So yes, YIMBYs are idiots.

You are f-ing delusional.

DP. The broad statements about housing being unaffordable are misleading. It is true that too many people are rent burdened. Few of the programs implemented help these households because they are aimed at market rate housing. It is also true that the price of homes for purchase has gone up too fast. Here again, the programs implemented don’t help prospective buyers. In fact, some of them will decrease the number of homes available for purchase.

Median rent in Montgomery County is well below 30 percent of median household income, and over the past two decades, rent increases have been lower than broad inflation on an annualized basis. This suggests that the rental market is in balance or slightly loose. More recently, since rent stabilization took effect, rents have fallen year over year.

The two parts that still need to be solved for are low-income, rent-burdened households and stimulating production of homes for purchase, especially townhouses.

So exactly what YIMBYS are pushing for.

If production of townhouses for sale is exactly what YIMBYs are pushing for, why are you supporting Friedson? He has increased impact fees on townhouses to make up for cuts to impact fees for apartments, and his subsidies have focused on multifamily rentals, not homes for purchase.

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Anonymous wrote:Of course they are doing billionaires work. Ezra Klein and Peter Thiel are buddies. It’s all part of the plan. The YIMBYs are just the useful idiots of the left, the analog of the MAGAs on the right.

Oh no! Affordable housing! How scary! I wonder if you honestly believe this or are just trying to stir the pot.

Housing is already affordable. YIMBYs like to conveniently act as though incomes in this area aren’t astronomical. The median HHI in Moco is about $170k. With the high salaries here, people easily fill up all the apartment buildings that they claim are not affordable. And if you’re at the lower end of the income scale, you can live in an older building, live further out, and/or get a roommate. The options are there. We don’t need to give handouts to developers, change zoning, or manipulate the market to make housing more “affordable” (which paradoxically just raises prices for people who don’t qualify for affordable units). So yes, YIMBYs are idiots.

You are f-ing delusional.

DP. The broad statements about housing being unaffordable are misleading. It is true that too many people are rent burdened. Few of the programs implemented help these households because they are aimed at market rate housing. It is also true that the price of homes for purchase has gone up too fast. Here again, the programs implemented don’t help prospective buyers. In fact, some of them will decrease the number of homes available for purchase.

Median rent in Montgomery County is well below 30 percent of median household income, and over the past two decades, rent increases have been lower than broad inflation on an annualized basis. This suggests that the rental market is in balance or slightly loose. More recently, since rent stabilization took effect, rents have fallen year over year.

The two parts that still need to be solved for are low-income, rent-burdened households and stimulating production of homes for purchase, especially townhouses.

So exactly what YIMBYS are pushing for.

If production of townhouses for sale is exactly what YIMBYs are pushing for, why are you supporting Friedson? He has increased impact fees on townhouses to make up for cuts to impact fees for apartments, and his subsidies have focused on multifamily rentals, not homes for purchase.

Not PP, but I’m a YIMBY for Glass.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't stand these YIMBY do gooder twerps. They want to raze all SFHs to build dense crap. They love standing on their moral pedestals when they're too stupid to realize they're destroying the middle class and doing the bidding of the billionaires for free. Owning a home is pretty much the ONLY wealth vehicle the middle class has left. But the do gooders want to raze your homes and build giant apartment complexes next to them. Absolutely no one wants to live next to that junk. The middle class will flee, and guess what, developers come in taking all the homes and building a whole bunch of rental crap.

In their infinite wisdom, the YIMBYs and affordable housing idiots are sweeping the last leg of wealth out that is left for the middle class. They ate going to turn the entire counry into permarenters for life. And over time the middle class will be far worse off, because no one will be able to own anything, then they'll still jack up your rents on you in the end. The biggest thing elitists want to control now is land and property ownership. And all these clownshow housing morons are obtaining it for them by ruining your neighborhoods with their amazingly stupid zoning plans.

In my experience the do gooders aren't actually do gooders at all. Almost always they themselves and/or their spouse or "partner" is affiliated with government, NGOs taking gov grants, gov vendor, or the developers. In other words, they're being paid to push this crap under the false guise of do gooder.

A small handful are broke misanthropic nihilists who just want everything good to decay; under-employed, unemployed, sometimes service industry who will never have a spouse, kids, or ever own anything.

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Anonymous wrote:Of course they are doing billionaires work. Ezra Klein and Peter Thiel are buddies. It’s all part of the plan. The YIMBYs are just the useful idiots of the left, the analog of the MAGAs on the right.

LOL let me know when advocating for housing people can afford to buy or rent is a bad thing- and equating that with Christian Nationalism is quite a stretch.

Rents never go down because they continue to flood the nation with undocumented and documented migrants, plus the gov subsidized rent vouchers keep increasing. Bottom line, this build, build, build crap solves absolutely nothing. It merely enriches uni-party billionaires and millions who laugh at all the red/NIMBY vs. blue/YIMBY theater.

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Anonymous wrote:Of course they are doing billionaires work. Ezra Klein and Peter Thiel are buddies. It’s all part of the plan. The YIMBYs are just the useful idiots of the left, the analog of the MAGAs on the right.

Oh no! Affordable housing! How scary! I wonder if you honestly believe this or are just trying to stir the pot.

Housing is already affordable. YIMBYs like to conveniently act as though incomes in this area aren’t astronomical. The median HHI in Moco is about $170k. With the high salaries here, people easily fill up all the apartment buildings that they claim are not affordable. And if you’re at the lower end of the income scale, you can live in an older building, live further out, and/or get a roommate. The options are there. We don’t need to give handouts to developers, change zoning, or manipulate the market to make housing more “affordable” (which paradoxically just raises prices for people who don’t qualify for affordable units). So yes, YIMBYs are idiots.

You are f-ing delusional.

DP. The broad statements about housing being unaffordable are misleading. It is true that too many people are rent burdened. Few of the programs implemented help these households because they are aimed at market rate housing. It is also true that the price of homes for purchase has gone up too fast. Here again, the programs implemented don’t help prospective buyers. In fact, some of them will decrease the number of homes available for purchase.

Median rent in Montgomery County is well below 30 percent of median household income, and over the past two decades, rent increases have been lower than broad inflation on an annualized basis. This suggests that the rental market is in balance or slightly loose. More recently, since rent stabilization took effect, rents have fallen year over year.

The two parts that still need to be solved for are low-income, rent-burdened households and stimulating production of homes for purchase, especially townhouses.

So exactly what YIMBYS are pushing for.

If production of townhouses for sale is exactly what YIMBYs are pushing for, why are you supporting Friedson? He has increased impact fees on townhouses to make up for cuts to impact fees for apartments, and his subsidies have focused on multifamily rentals, not homes for purchase.

I have no f-ing idea who Friedson is or who supports him.

Why do you assume all posters live in your neighborhood?

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Anonymous wrote:Of course they are doing billionaires work. Ezra Klein and Peter Thiel are buddies. It’s all part of the plan. The YIMBYs are just the useful idiots of the left, the analog of the MAGAs on the right.

LOL let me know when advocating for housing people can afford to buy or rent is a bad thing- and equating that with Christian Nationalism is quite a stretch.

Rents never go down because they continue to flood the nation with undocumented and documented migrants, plus the gov subsidized rent vouchers keep increasing. Bottom line, this build, build, build crap solves absolutely nothing. It merely enriches uni-party billionaires and millions who laugh at all the red/NIMBY vs. blue/YIMBY theater.

Ok, maga.

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Anonymous wrote:Of course they are doing billionaires work. Ezra Klein and Peter Thiel are buddies. It’s all part of the plan. The YIMBYs are just the useful idiots of the left, the analog of the MAGAs on the right.

Oh no! Affordable housing! How scary! I wonder if you honestly believe this or are just trying to stir the pot.

Housing is already affordable. YIMBYs like to conveniently act as though incomes in this area aren’t astronomical. The median HHI in Moco is about $170k. With the high salaries here, people easily fill up all the apartment buildings that they claim are not affordable. And if you’re at the lower end of the income scale, you can live in an older building, live further out, and/or get a roommate. The options are there. We don’t need to give handouts to developers, change zoning, or manipulate the market to make housing more “affordable” (which paradoxically just raises prices for people who don’t qualify for affordable units). So yes, YIMBYs are idiots.

You are f-ing delusional.

DP. The broad statements about housing being unaffordable are misleading. It is true that too many people are rent burdened. Few of the programs implemented help these households because they are aimed at market rate housing. It is also true that the price of homes for purchase has gone up too fast. Here again, the programs implemented don’t help prospective buyers. In fact, some of them will decrease the number of homes available for purchase.

Median rent in Montgomery County is well below 30 percent of median household income, and over the past two decades, rent increases have been lower than broad inflation on an annualized basis. This suggests that the rental market is in balance or slightly loose. More recently, since rent stabilization took effect, rents have fallen year over year.

The two parts that still need to be solved for are low-income, rent-burdened households and stimulating production of homes for purchase, especially townhouses.

So exactly what YIMBYS are pushing for.

If production of townhouses for sale is exactly what YIMBYs are pushing for, why are you supporting Friedson? He has increased impact fees on townhouses to make up for cuts to impact fees for apartments, and his subsidies have focused on multifamily rentals, not homes for purchase.

I have no f-ing idea who Friedson is or who supports him.

Why do you assume all posters live in your neighborhood?

You literally replied to a post about Montgomery County. Friedson is the republican candidate in the democratic primary for county executive.

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Anonymous wrote:Of course they are doing billionaires work. Ezra Klein and Peter Thiel are buddies. It’s all part of the plan. The YIMBYs are just the useful idiots of the left, the analog of the MAGAs on the right.

Oh no! Affordable housing! How scary! I wonder if you honestly believe this or are just trying to stir the pot.

Housing is already affordable. YIMBYs like to conveniently act as though incomes in this area aren’t astronomical. The median HHI in Moco is about $170k. With the high salaries here, people easily fill up all the apartment buildings that they claim are not affordable. And if you’re at the lower end of the income scale, you can live in an older building, live further out, and/or get a roommate. The options are there. We don’t need to give handouts to developers, change zoning, or manipulate the market to make housing more “affordable” (which paradoxically just raises prices for people who don’t qualify for affordable units). So yes, YIMBYs are idiots.

You are f-ing delusional.

DP. The broad statements about housing being unaffordable are misleading. It is true that too many people are rent burdened. Few of the programs implemented help these households because they are aimed at market rate housing. It is also true that the price of homes for purchase has gone up too fast. Here again, the programs implemented don’t help prospective buyers. In fact, some of them will decrease the number of homes available for purchase.

Median rent in Montgomery County is well below 30 percent of median household income, and over the past two decades, rent increases have been lower than broad inflation on an annualized basis. This suggests that the rental market is in balance or slightly loose. More recently, since rent stabilization took effect, rents have fallen year over year.

The two parts that still need to be solved for are low-income, rent-burdened households and stimulating production of homes for purchase, especially townhouses.

So exactly what YIMBYS are pushing for.

YIMBYs push for houses or ADUs, which gets twisted into housing. Invariably, housing comes to mean high density so that the local government can just build one big apartment building. Surprise, lots of housing and no one is happy. Apartments don't attract the high earners for long. And again, apartment renters short change the local property taxes.

Renters don't short-change local property taxes, their landlords do.

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Anonymous wrote:Of course they are doing billionaires work. Ezra Klein and Peter Thiel are buddies. It’s all part of the plan. The YIMBYs are just the useful idiots of the left, the analog of the MAGAs on the right.

Oh no! Affordable housing! How scary! I wonder if you honestly believe this or are just trying to stir the pot.

Housing is already affordable. YIMBYs like to conveniently act as though incomes in this area aren’t astronomical. The median HHI in Moco is about $170k. With the high salaries here, people easily fill up all the apartment buildings that they claim are not affordable. And if you’re at the lower end of the income scale, you can live in an older building, live further out, and/or get a roommate. The options are there. We don’t need to give handouts to developers, change zoning, or manipulate the market to make housing more “affordable” (which paradoxically just raises prices for people who don’t qualify for affordable units). So yes, YIMBYs are idiots.

You are f-ing delusional.

DP. The broad statements about housing being unaffordable are misleading. It is true that too many people are rent burdened. Few of the programs implemented help these households because they are aimed at market rate housing. It is also true that the price of homes for purchase has gone up too fast. Here again, the programs implemented don’t help prospective buyers. In fact, some of them will decrease the number of homes available for purchase.

Median rent in Montgomery County is well below 30 percent of median household income, and over the past two decades, rent increases have been lower than broad inflation on an annualized basis. This suggests that the rental market is in balance or slightly loose. More recently, since rent stabilization took effect, rents have fallen year over year.

The two parts that still need to be solved for are low-income, rent-burdened households and stimulating production of homes for purchase, especially townhouses.

We could solve for location, instead. Encourage job centers and build out infrastructure like public transportation where more greenfield development might occur.

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Anonymous wrote:I think a lot of issues could be fixed if they would only allow 2 cars per apartment. And you couldn't license a 3rd to that address. We definitely have houses with 9+ cars.

Require the infrastructure (parking garage, in this case, but sewer capacity, schools, etc., too) commensurate with the development. Much more effective and a better solution for all residents. Apartment residents get to park at their home instead of blocks away while the SFH neighborhoods can find parking in front of their houses more easily.

This, but unfortunately one of the trends in the zoning world is to eliminate parking requirements for new developments. They’ll tell you it lowers the cost and therefore makes places more affordable, but in reality developers charge the market rate, pocket the saved money, and now parking is worse all around. Again, dumb local officials duped by their developer overlords.

More likely savvy politicians using their power and skill to dupe the populace on behalf of their developer overlords.

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Anonymous wrote:Of course they are doing billionaires work. Ezra Klein and Peter Thiel are buddies. It’s all part of the plan. The YIMBYs are just the useful idiots of the left, the analog of the MAGAs on the right.

Oh no! Affordable housing! How scary! I wonder if you honestly believe this or are just trying to stir the pot.

Housing is already affordable. YIMBYs like to conveniently act as though incomes in this area aren’t astronomical. The median HHI in Moco is about $170k. With the high salaries here, people easily fill up all the apartment buildings that they claim are not affordable. And if you’re at the lower end of the income scale, you can live in an older building, live further out, and/or get a roommate. The options are there. We don’t need to give handouts to developers, change zoning, or manipulate the market to make housing more “affordable” (which paradoxically just raises prices for people who don’t qualify for affordable units). So yes, YIMBYs are idiots.

You are f-ing delusional.

DP. The broad statements about housing being unaffordable are misleading. It is true that too many people are rent burdened. Few of the programs implemented help these households because they are aimed at market rate housing. It is also true that the price of homes for purchase has gone up too fast. Here again, the programs implemented don’t help prospective buyers. In fact, some of them will decrease the number of homes available for purchase.

Median rent in Montgomery County is well below 30 percent of median household income, and over the past two decades, rent increases have been lower than broad inflation on an annualized basis. This suggests that the rental market is in balance or slightly loose. More recently, since rent stabilization took effect, rents have fallen year over year.

The two parts that still need to be solved for are low-income, rent-burdened households and stimulating production of homes for purchase, especially townhouses.

So exactly what YIMBYS are pushing for.

If production of townhouses for sale is exactly what YIMBYs are pushing for, why are you supporting Friedson? He has increased impact fees on townhouses to make up for cuts to impact fees for apartments, and his subsidies have focused on multifamily rentals, not homes for purchase.

I have no f-ing idea who Friedson is or who supports him.

Why do you assume all posters live in your neighborhood?

You literally replied to a post about Montgomery County. Friedson is the republican candidate in the democratic primary for county executive.

This thread isn't about MC, dickhead.

Go start a new thread if you want to b about your candidates.

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Anonymous wrote:I will also point out how myopic this group is: they only want to build more apartments, with no regard to infrastructure like traffic, schools, libraries, police and fire stations, parks to play in for all the kids who inevitably are going to end up living in those apartments. Any anyone who disagrees with them, or brings up any other angles (including schools), is immediately labeled a racist/bigot

Thats not really true. They want more housing because housing is expensive and simply supply/demand suggests if you build more housing, at least the rental rates aor ability to purchase wills stabilize. I do not know where anyone on this thread is posting from, but let's assume it is DC....there is plenty of school capacity, DC Water and PEPCO are building our infrastructure thanks to the IRA and rate increases; road capacity isn't going to change, so that is why people support mass transit and bikes/scooters. Single occupancy vehicles are the biggest waste of space in the transportation landscape. Single family Housing is the least efficient way to house humans. That doesn't mean cars or SFH should be eliminated - no one is suggesting that. What they are advocating is a more rational allocation of land.

Wrong. Taking away traffic lanes to put in bike lanes hardly anyone uses is the biggest waste of space in the transportation landscape. And it is isn’t even close.

Scientific studies contradict your false assertion.