all these affordable housing do gooders are doing the billionaires' work

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Anonymous wrote:Keep in mind all this upzoning is a natural and predictable consequence of mass immigration of low wage workers. You can't have your "No human is illegal" and "Stop ICE" yard signs and not expect this.

The upzoning is to provide homes for these people close enough to you that they can mow your lawns, cook your food and watch your kids. They of course would rather live close to the people that defend and employ them rather than to live out in Waldorf or something and commute in for 2 hours for their low-paying jobs.

So rant on as you like, but you're just getting exactly what you asked for.

Except they never build anything that the cooks, landscapers, and childcare workers can afford.

The infill building is always very expensive housing, whether it’s for rent or purchase.

Maybe I don't get the coded language being used, but then who is "leaving trash everywhere, parking a million cars and generally ruining a neighborhood?" Middle-class millennials? If its not low wage workers, what exactly are you all collectively freaking out about?

Well for one thing, these lower wage workers tend to cram as many people as they can into these apartments since none of them can afford them on their own. But people can pretend how that’s not the case. No coded language anywhere. Just the reality that many politicians and activists turn their backs on and pretend it’s not happening because they increased density.

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I live down the street from an affordable apartment complex. It's completely fine and in no way prevents my family from living a suburban lifestyle. Yes, I think people who oppose that are pretty silly.

My kids go to a title 1 school. 70% of the kids come from one apartment complex, the rest come from townhouses and sfhs. The school was an excellent school before the apartment complex (I've lived here for 14 years) and the schools around it are excellent too. It irks me that the county is letting only one school fail. Why aren't kids bussed from this apartment to all the local elementary schools? They have to be bussed to mine, so might as well be bussed to the others too, which are just as close. Concentrated poverty like this will always be an issue

So these new apartments are in fact affordable then? The issue being perhaps they are "too" affordable?

Granted, there are multiple posters, but its hard to tell if the objection is poor people living in these buildings or poor people not being able to afford these buildings and its just millennials leaving their avocado toast crumbs everywhere and parking their fleet of electric SUVs in front of SFHs.

They don't pay enough in property taxes to fund their children.

Uh, the landlords pay the property tax using your rent. Do you seriously not know this?

The property tax and business tax on apartment buildings is ludicrously low. Children in apartments don't cost less to educate.

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Of course they are doing billionaires work. Ezra Klein and Peter Thiel are buddies. It’s all part of the plan. The YIMBYs are just the useful idiots of the left, the analog of the MAGAs on the right.

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Anonymous wrote:Of course they are doing billionaires work. Ezra Klein and Peter Thiel are buddies. It’s all part of the plan. The YIMBYs are just the useful idiots of the left, the analog of the MAGAs on the right.

LOL let me know when advocating for housing people can afford to buy or rent is a bad thing- and equating that with Christian Nationalism is quite a stretch.

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Anonymous wrote:I think a lot of issues could be fixed if they would only allow 2 cars per apartment. And you couldn't license a 3rd to that address. We definitely have houses with 9+ cars.

You think there are apartments where people have three+ cars per unit?

Yes. Are you actually questioning this? I bet the majority of apartments have 3+ cars per address! A 2 bedroom apartment usually has 2 adults per bedroom and then 2 adults in the family room= 6 people.

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Anonymous wrote:Of course they are doing billionaires work. Ezra Klein and Peter Thiel are buddies. It’s all part of the plan. The YIMBYs are just the useful idiots of the left, the analog of the MAGAs on the right.

Oh no! Affordable housing! How scary! I wonder if you honestly believe this or are just trying to stir the pot.

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Anonymous wrote:Of course they are doing billionaires work. Ezra Klein and Peter Thiel are buddies. It’s all part of the plan. The YIMBYs are just the useful idiots of the left, the analog of the MAGAs on the right.

LOL let me know when advocating for housing people can afford to buy or rent is a bad thing- and equating that with Christian Nationalism is quite a stretch.

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Anonymous wrote:Of course they are doing billionaires work. Ezra Klein and Peter Thiel are buddies. It’s all part of the plan. The YIMBYs are just the useful idiots of the left, the analog of the MAGAs on the right.

Oh no! Affordable housing! How scary! I wonder if you honestly believe this or are just trying to stir the pot.

Housing is already affordable. YIMBYs like to conveniently act as though incomes in this area aren’t astronomical. The median HHI in Moco is about $170k. With the high salaries here, people easily fill up all the apartment buildings that they claim are not affordable. And if you’re at the lower end of the income scale, you can live in an older building, live further out, and/or get a roommate. The options are there. We don’t need to give handouts to developers, change zoning, or manipulate the market to make housing more “affordable” (which paradoxically just raises prices for people who don’t qualify for affordable units). So yes, YIMBYs are idiots.

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Anonymous wrote:Of course they are doing billionaires work. Ezra Klein and Peter Thiel are buddies. It’s all part of the plan. The YIMBYs are just the useful idiots of the left, the analog of the MAGAs on the right.

LOL let me know when advocating for housing people can afford to buy or rent is a bad thing- and equating that with Christian Nationalism is quite a stretch.

To be fair, Christian Nationalists would actually take care of the homeless. We didn't really have a homeless problem until we had a Godless problem.

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Anonymous wrote:Of course they are doing billionaires work. Ezra Klein and Peter Thiel are buddies. It’s all part of the plan. The YIMBYs are just the useful idiots of the left, the analog of the MAGAs on the right.

Oh no! Affordable housing! How scary! I wonder if you honestly believe this or are just trying to stir the pot.

The YIMBYs always pivot back to affordable housing when people point out their alignment with corporate interests over consumer interests but then when people point out that YIMBYism hasn’t made housing more affordable they claim they never promised affordable housing.

If you’re for affordable housing, great. But if what you advocate for is the interests of capital instead of the interests of people, you’re not really for affordable housing.

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Anonymous wrote:I think a lot of issues could be fixed if they would only allow 2 cars per apartment. And you couldn't license a 3rd to that address. We definitely have houses with 9+ cars.

Require the infrastructure (parking garage, in this case, but sewer capacity, schools, etc., too) commensurate with the development. Much more effective and a better solution for all residents. Apartment residents get to park at their home instead of blocks away while the SFH neighborhoods can find parking in front of their houses more easily.

This, but unfortunately one of the trends in the zoning world is to eliminate parking requirements for new developments. They’ll tell you it lowers the cost and therefore makes places more affordable, but in reality developers charge the market rate, pocket the saved money, and now parking is worse all around. Again, dumb local officials duped by their developer overlords.

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Anonymous wrote:Of course they are doing billionaires work. Ezra Klein and Peter Thiel are buddies. It’s all part of the plan. The YIMBYs are just the useful idiots of the left, the analog of the MAGAs on the right.

Oh no! Affordable housing! How scary! I wonder if you honestly believe this or are just trying to stir the pot.

The YIMBYs always pivot back to affordable housing when people point out their alignment with corporate interests over consumer interests but then when people point out that YIMBYism hasn’t made housing more affordable they claim they never promised affordable housing.

If you’re for affordable housing, great. But if what you advocate for is the interests of capital instead of the interests of people, you’re not really for affordable housing.

I am for affordable housing. I want to make sure we go about it in a logical way that guarantees tangible results, but I’m also concerned that “smart housing” is a buzzword for “no housing” much of the time.

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Anonymous wrote:Of course they are doing billionaires work. Ezra Klein and Peter Thiel are buddies. It’s all part of the plan. The YIMBYs are just the useful idiots of the left, the analog of the MAGAs on the right.

Oh no! Affordable housing! How scary! I wonder if you honestly believe this or are just trying to stir the pot.

Housing is already affordable. YIMBYs like to conveniently act as though incomes in this area aren’t astronomical. The median HHI in Moco is about $170k. With the high salaries here, people easily fill up all the apartment buildings that they claim are not affordable. And if you’re at the lower end of the income scale, you can live in an older building, live further out, and/or get a roommate. The options are there. We don’t need to give handouts to developers, change zoning, or manipulate the market to make housing more “affordable” (which paradoxically just raises prices for people who don’t qualify for affordable units). So yes, YIMBYs are idiots.

You seem like the kind of person who would argue that young people can’t afford homes because they spend too much money on UberEats. Guess what? Housing is much pricier today than it was 40 years ago. That’s simply a fact. Government should try to fix that by building more of it.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Of course they are doing billionaires work. Ezra Klein and Peter Thiel are buddies. It’s all part of the plan. The YIMBYs are just the useful idiots of the left, the analog of the MAGAs on the right.

Oh no! Affordable housing! How scary! I wonder if you honestly believe this or are just trying to stir the pot.

Housing is already affordable. YIMBYs like to conveniently act as though incomes in this area aren’t astronomical. The median HHI in Moco is about $170k. With the high salaries here, people easily fill up all the apartment buildings that they claim are not affordable. And if you’re at the lower end of the income scale, you can live in an older building, live further out, and/or get a roommate. The options are there. We don’t need to give handouts to developers, change zoning, or manipulate the market to make housing more “affordable” (which paradoxically just raises prices for people who don’t qualify for affordable units). So yes, YIMBYs are idiots.

You are f-ing delusional.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Of course they are doing billionaires work. Ezra Klein and Peter Thiel are buddies. It’s all part of the plan. The YIMBYs are just the useful idiots of the left, the analog of the MAGAs on the right.

Oh no! Affordable housing! How scary! I wonder if you honestly believe this or are just trying to stir the pot.

Housing is already affordable. YIMBYs like to conveniently act as though incomes in this area aren’t astronomical. The median HHI in Moco is about $170k. With the high salaries here, people easily fill up all the apartment buildings that they claim are not affordable. And if you’re at the lower end of the income scale, you can live in an older building, live further out, and/or get a roommate. The options are there. We don’t need to give handouts to developers, change zoning, or manipulate the market to make housing more “affordable” (which paradoxically just raises prices for people who don’t qualify for affordable units). So yes, YIMBYs are idiots.

You seem like the kind of person who would argue that young people can’t afford homes because they spend too much money on UberEats. Guess what? Housing is much pricier today than it was 40 years ago. That’s simply a fact. Government should try to fix that by building more of it.

More government housing lol

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Of course they are doing billionaires work. Ezra Klein and Peter Thiel are buddies. It’s all part of the plan. The YIMBYs are just the useful idiots of the left, the analog of the MAGAs on the right.

Oh no! Affordable housing! How scary! I wonder if you honestly believe this or are just trying to stir the pot.

Housing is already affordable. YIMBYs like to conveniently act as though incomes in this area aren’t astronomical. The median HHI in Moco is about $170k. With the high salaries here, people easily fill up all the apartment buildings that they claim are not affordable. And if you’re at the lower end of the income scale, you can live in an older building, live further out, and/or get a roommate. The options are there. We don’t need to give handouts to developers, change zoning, or manipulate the market to make housing more “affordable” (which paradoxically just raises prices for people who don’t qualify for affordable units). So yes, YIMBYs are idiots.

You are f-ing delusional.

DP. The broad statements about housing being unaffordable are misleading. It is true that too many people are rent burdened. Few of the programs implemented help these households because they are aimed at market rate housing. It is also true that the price of homes for purchase has gone up too fast. Here again, the programs implemented don’t help prospective buyers. In fact, some of them will decrease the number of homes available for purchase.

Median rent in Montgomery County is well below 30 percent of median household income, and over the past two decades, rent increases have been lower than broad inflation on an annualized basis. This suggests that the rental market is in balance or slightly loose. More recently, since rent stabilization took effect, rents have fallen year over year.

The two parts that still need to be solved for are low-income, rent-burdened households and stimulating production of homes for purchase, especially townhouses.