all these affordable housing do gooders are doing the billionaires' work

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I can't stand these YIMBY do gooder twerps. They want to raze all SFHs to build dense crap. They love standing on their moral pedestals when they're too stupid to realize they're destroying the middle class and doing the bidding of the billionaires for free. Owning a home is pretty much the ONLY wealth vehicle the middle class has left. But the do gooders want to raze your homes and build giant apartment complexes next to them. Absolutely no one wants to live next to that junk. The middle class will flee, and guess what, developers come in taking all the homes and building a whole bunch of rental crap.

In their infinite wisdom, the YIMBYs and affordable housing idiots are sweeping the last leg of wealth out that is left for the middle class. They ate going to turn the entire counry into permarenters for life. And over time the middle class will be far worse off, because no one will be able to own anything, then they'll still jack up your rents on you in the end. The biggest thing elitists want to control now is land and property ownership. And all these clownshow housing morons are obtaining it for them by ruining your neighborhoods with their amazingly stupid zoning plans.

People keep saying that -- eliminating all SFHs. But that's not true, and it's not how things will go in practice. Nobody is bulldozing your house down.

I am not in this area but we have the exact same thing happening here (Chicago suburb, 100% of the city council is a member of some sort of green initiative) and they do it piecemeal. Every time a business owner dies or retires the town snaps up the property and then “deliberates” over what to do with it before selling it to a developer who inevitably builds “transit oriented housing” I e hulking, almost windowless apartments with no parking lot. So a downtown that 10 years ago had restaurants and shopping is now lined with hideous apartment buildings. They are always crying about the overcrowded schools and then build this!!

[Anonymous]

I lived in an area where this was happening.
Parking was a problem. Trash was a problem.

The renters and the developers did not support the community.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can't stand these YIMBY do gooder twerps. They want to raze all SFHs to build dense crap. They love standing on their moral pedestals when they're too stupid to realize they're destroying the middle class and doing the bidding of the billionaires for free. Owning a home is pretty much the ONLY wealth vehicle the middle class has left. But the do gooders want to raze your homes and build giant apartment complexes next to them. Absolutely no one wants to live next to that junk. The middle class will flee, and guess what, developers come in taking all the homes and building a whole bunch of rental crap.

In their infinite wisdom, the YIMBYs and affordable housing idiots are sweeping the last leg of wealth out that is left for the middle class. They ate going to turn the entire counry into permarenters for life. And over time the middle class will be far worse off, because no one will be able to own anything, then they'll still jack up your rents on you in the end. The biggest thing elitists want to control now is land and property ownership. And all these clownshow housing morons are obtaining it for them by ruining your neighborhoods with their amazingly stupid zoning plans.

People keep saying that -- eliminating all SFHs. But that's not true, and it's not how things will go in practice. Nobody is bulldozing your house down.

OP doesn’t care about facts or reality.

They love their ignorant narrative.

[Anonymous]

Teachers, firefighters, and young people are being priced out of our county because they can’t afford to buy homes here. That is not good, and the way out of it is definitely nuanced but is NOT to embrace NIMBYism in the way that certain councilmembers have.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can't stand these YIMBY do gooder twerps. They want to raze all SFHs to build dense crap. They love standing on their moral pedestals when they're too stupid to realize they're destroying the middle class and doing the bidding of the billionaires for free. Owning a home is pretty much the ONLY wealth vehicle the middle class has left. But the do gooders want to raze your homes and build giant apartment complexes next to them. Absolutely no one wants to live next to that junk. The middle class will flee, and guess what, developers come in taking all the homes and building a whole bunch of rental crap.

In their infinite wisdom, the YIMBYs and affordable housing idiots are sweeping the last leg of wealth out that is left for the middle class. They ate going to turn the entire counry into permarenters for life. And over time the middle class will be far worse off, because no one will be able to own anything, then they'll still jack up your rents on you in the end. The biggest thing elitists want to control now is land and property ownership. And all these clownshow housing morons are obtaining it for them by ruining your neighborhoods with their amazingly stupid zoning plans.

People keep saying that -- eliminating all SFHs. But that's not true, and it's not how things will go in practice. Nobody is bulldozing your house down.

OP doesn’t care about facts or reality.

They love their ignorant narrative.

I think there is a real conversation to be had here about the best way to secure more housing for people in our county who can’t afford it. But some NIMBYs on this thread sadly are not willing to engage and seem to have a flair for the dramatic.

[Anonymous]

To bad people wouldn’t consider all the open apartments in the DMV that are priced to high for even middle class. Developers build but there is still no affordable housing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can't stand these YIMBY do gooder twerps. They want to raze all SFHs to build dense crap. They love standing on their moral pedestals when they're too stupid to realize they're destroying the middle class and doing the bidding of the billionaires for free. Owning a home is pretty much the ONLY wealth vehicle the middle class has left. But the do gooders want to raze your homes and build giant apartment complexes next to them. Absolutely no one wants to live next to that junk. The middle class will flee, and guess what, developers come in taking all the homes and building a whole bunch of rental crap.

In their infinite wisdom, the YIMBYs and affordable housing idiots are sweeping the last leg of wealth out that is left for the middle class. They ate going to turn the entire counry into permarenters for life. And over time the middle class will be far worse off, because no one will be able to own anything, then they'll still jack up your rents on you in the end. The biggest thing elitists want to control now is land and property ownership. And all these clownshow housing morons are obtaining it for them by ruining your neighborhoods with their amazingly stupid zoning plans.

Not sure if this is bait, but no elected officials seriously want to raze all SFHs in Montgomery County. The AHSI (which I assume you’re referring to) only applies to specific areas within the county near transit corridors. There’s a wealth of literature showing that increasing supply (building more housing) brings down prices. NIMBYs on the council are promoting their exclusionary policies in the name of alleviating economic inequality, and I am not falling for it, nor are many people on the council and perhaps our next executive.

Friedson’s original version of the AHSI was far more expansive and would have eliminated single family zoning everywhere except Potomac and the agricultural area. When he realized it was unpopular, he tried to bait other executive candidates into joining him. Friedson probably had the votes to end single family zoning, but he knew he couldn’t be the only executive candidate to vote for it and still have a chance at winning.

Your supply story is more complicated. The only places where builders added enough supply to drive down prices are places that had much higher rent and price increases than we did (think 15 percent in a year). Our rental market is in balance over the long term (2.1 percent annual rent growth over decades, with rents dropping slightly in the recent period). Our sales market is constrained, but the YIMBYs here haven’t done anything to help that market along. In fact, they’ve consistently advocated shifting tax burden from landlords to homeowners.

On top of that, the YIMBYs have consistently misidentified land use rules and taxes as the primary supply constraints. The primary supply constraint here is demand.

Thank you for this nuanced analysis. I’m not sure I agree that all YIMBYs are a hive mind. To my knowledge, many of them are also focused on making buying homes more affordable and not merely on renting. I think we should defer to policy experts on how to do that, and one key way appears to be by building more housing for the missing middle along transit corridors. You seem to be genuinely engaging with the issue in good faith, but I’m concerned that many progressive NIMBY policymakers are not — they talk a big game about housing affordability, but then vote against many proposals put in front of them to build more housing/make buying a home more affordable. If they are in fact opposed for pragmatic/implementation-based reasons and not for politically expedient ones, I’d like to see them put forward their own proposals instead of complaining about and voting against everything in front of them all the time.

Will and Evan have both engaged this in good faith. Jawando for one did have his own proposal — upzoning based on walkability to metro rail — but Friedson would not even support scheduling a committee work session for it. This year Friedson poisoned the well by coming out with something much much more expansive (which would have required big transportation upgrades that we can’t afford and wouldn’t be able to afford even with redevelopment) before retreating. It was a political blunder. What we ended up with was a sprawly plan that passed up the chance to increase density more near rail stations.

With respect to rent vs buy, I’m talking about the YIMBYs in MoCo. The programs that have come out of the council have been skewed toward rental production.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Teachers, firefighters, and young people are being priced out of our county because they can’t afford to buy homes here. That is not good, and the way out of it is definitely nuanced but is NOT to embrace NIMBYism in the way that certain councilmembers have.

Firefighters have never lived here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Teachers, firefighters, and young people are being priced out of our county because they can’t afford to buy homes here. That is not good, and the way out of it is definitely nuanced but is NOT to embrace NIMBYism in the way that certain councilmembers have.

Firefighters have never lived here.

That seems like a problem and not the own you think it is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can't stand these YIMBY do gooder twerps. They want to raze all SFHs to build dense crap. They love standing on their moral pedestals when they're too stupid to realize they're destroying the middle class and doing the bidding of the billionaires for free. Owning a home is pretty much the ONLY wealth vehicle the middle class has left. But the do gooders want to raze your homes and build giant apartment complexes next to them. Absolutely no one wants to live next to that junk. The middle class will flee, and guess what, developers come in taking all the homes and building a whole bunch of rental crap.

In their infinite wisdom, the YIMBYs and affordable housing idiots are sweeping the last leg of wealth out that is left for the middle class. They ate going to turn the entire counry into permarenters for life. And over time the middle class will be far worse off, because no one will be able to own anything, then they'll still jack up your rents on you in the end. The biggest thing elitists want to control now is land and property ownership. And all these clownshow housing morons are obtaining it for them by ruining your neighborhoods with their amazingly stupid zoning plans.

People keep saying that -- eliminating all SFHs. But that's not true, and it's not how things will go in practice. Nobody is bulldozing your house down.

OP doesn’t care about facts or reality.

They love their ignorant narrative.

It puts enough pressure on the SFH market to essentially lockout anyone but the upper 5%.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can't stand these YIMBY do gooder twerps. They want to raze all SFHs to build dense crap. They love standing on their moral pedestals when they're too stupid to realize they're destroying the middle class and doing the bidding of the billionaires for free. Owning a home is pretty much the ONLY wealth vehicle the middle class has left. But the do gooders want to raze your homes and build giant apartment complexes next to them. Absolutely no one wants to live next to that junk. The middle class will flee, and guess what, developers come in taking all the homes and building a whole bunch of rental crap.

In their infinite wisdom, the YIMBYs and affordable housing idiots are sweeping the last leg of wealth out that is left for the middle class. They ate going to turn the entire counry into permarenters for life. And over time the middle class will be far worse off, because no one will be able to own anything, then they'll still jack up your rents on you in the end. The biggest thing elitists want to control now is land and property ownership. And all these clownshow housing morons are obtaining it for them by ruining your neighborhoods with their amazingly stupid zoning plans.

People keep saying that -- eliminating all SFHs. But that's not true, and it's not how things will go in practice. Nobody is bulldozing your house down.

OP doesn’t care about facts or reality.

They love their ignorant narrative.

It puts enough pressure on the SFH market to essentially lockout anyone but the upper 5%.

This is by design. When people buy houses they leave the rental market for a long time. That reduces demand. The MFH landlords need to keep demand from upper income households very high so that rents keep increasing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not sure if they’re doing the bidding of billionaires but they are definitely doing the bidding of developers and many of the policies they push only serve to increase developer profits and don’t actually make housing more affordable.

The more disturbing part to me is that it’s like a cult. There is no room for any dissent. They have an entire set of made up terminology and ideas and you have to follow those or you are out of the cult.

This mentality has become true for what are now Progressives, people who used to be rational Democrats. Progressives gaslight not just conservatives, but normal democrats as well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not sure if they’re doing the bidding of billionaires but they are definitely doing the bidding of developers and many of the policies they push only serve to increase developer profits and don’t actually make housing more affordable.

The more disturbing part to me is that it’s like a cult. There is no room for any dissent. They have an entire set of made up terminology and ideas and you have to follow those or you are out of the cult.[/quote

Yes, I got into a knock down drag out fight with a pack of yimbys who didn't actually want housing in their backyards, they wanted it on geologically unstable open space near a park I jog in. When I pointed out geologic features they called me racist. Because knowing where the flood plain is is racist. It's like actual rules of municipal planning and safety don't apply to nimbys.

[Anonymous]

OP's post is spot on. The billionaires have always been very conniving, and OP is correct that this is their latest plan. Another example is how they get tax breaks for themselves by convincing people that the world is going to end if we let transgender people use a bathroom that doesn't correspond to their biological sex, and so people vote for politicians who make that a central issue regardless of the other awful things they plan to do once in power. It turns out that people across the political spectrum are very gullible.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP's post is spot on. The billionaires have always been very conniving, and OP is correct that this is their latest plan. Another example is how they get tax breaks for themselves by convincing people that the world is going to end if we let transgender people use a bathroom that doesn't correspond to their biological sex, and so people vote for politicians who make that a central issue regardless of the other awful things they plan to do once in power. It turns out that people across the political spectrum are very gullible.

This is completely off topic but no, I don’t think the use of bathrooms is what causes this fear. No one really cared much about this for decades. I think people are VERY afraid of their kids or grandkids getting caught up in this and sterilizing themselves.