Does 1580+ help T20 admissions?

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Anonymous wrote:My 4.0 uw 1550 public school DC denied by all T20s. Enrolled at UMD.

This was also my public school kid; 1550, 4.0 UW; excellent academic rigor; high AP test scores; average ECs. Enrolled at UMD for engineering. It wasn't surprising, b/c HS school peers had similar rigor and test scores, but excellent ECs.

I think there's a different threshold for Eng and CS.

DC scored 1580, 4.0/4.92 gpa from a magnet was waitlisted at Mich, denied at UIUC, GATech.. In at UMD with merit. Worked out well for DC in the end.

None of these are T20. These are heavily engineering focus schools with millions of same high stats applicants.

I bet your DC would have a much better chance applying to T20s with a different major, e.g., education. Then declare CS major sophomore.

Millions of applicants with an unblemished unweighted GPA, apparently substantial rigor based on their weighted GPA, and a 1580?

Can’t deal with this post-fact reality any more …

With grade inflation yes there may be millions of applicants with flawless gpas.

1580 is very rare. There are 2 million sat takers every year. Only about 10k achieved 1580+ each year.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My 4.0 uw 1550 public school DC denied by all T20s. Enrolled at UMD.

This was also my public school kid; 1550, 4.0 UW; excellent academic rigor; high AP test scores; average ECs. Enrolled at UMD for engineering. It wasn't surprising, b/c HS school peers had similar rigor and test scores, but excellent ECs.

I think there's a different threshold for Eng and CS.

DC scored 1580, 4.0/4.92 gpa from a magnet was waitlisted at Mich, denied at UIUC, GATech.. In at UMD with merit. Worked out well for DC in the end.

None of these are T20. These are heavily engineering focus schools with millions of same high stats applicants.

I bet your DC would have a much better chance applying to T20s with a different major, e.g., education. Then declare CS major sophomore.

Millions of applicants with an unblemished unweighted GPA, apparently substantial rigor based on their weighted GPA, and a 1580?

Can’t deal with this post-fact reality any more …

With grade inflation yes there may be millions of applicants with flawless gpas.

1580 is very rare. There are 2 million sat takers every year. Only about 10k achieved 1580+ each year.

That’s the point - stating that there are millions of applicants with flawless GPAs, AND exceptional rigor, AND a 1580+ is ridiculous hyperbole.

Where facts matter, the number is more like 1,000 or less. Not “millions” …

[Anonymous]

I’m a broken record here but once you hit the threshold, it doesn’t matter for the HYP of the world.

It does matter for a school like Duke or Vandy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m a broken record here but once you hit the threshold, it doesn’t matter for the HYP of the world.

It does matter for a school like Duke or Vandy.

It matters too at JHU Penn. That said, they have gotten so many 1580+ applying to JHU and Penn. Sometimes it gives you an illusion that they don't care but they do. Any school outside HYPMS all cares a great deal about your test score.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My 4.0 uw 1550 public school DC denied by all T20s. Enrolled at UMD.

This was also my public school kid; 1550, 4.0 UW; excellent academic rigor; high AP test scores; average ECs. Enrolled at UMD for engineering. It wasn't surprising, b/c HS school peers had similar rigor and test scores, but excellent ECs.

I think there's a different threshold for Eng and CS.

DC scored 1580, 4.0/4.92 gpa from a magnet was waitlisted at Mich, denied at UIUC, GATech.. In at UMD with merit. Worked out well for DC in the end.

None of these are T20. These are heavily engineering focus schools with millions of same high stats applicants.

I bet your DC would have a much better chance applying to T20s with a different major, e.g., education. Then declare CS major sophomore.

Millions of applicants with an unblemished unweighted GPA, apparently substantial rigor based on their weighted GPA, and a 1580?

Can’t deal with this post-fact reality any more …

With grade inflation yes there may be millions of applicants with flawless gpas.

1580 is very rare. There are 2 million sat takers every year. Only about 10k achieved 1580+ each year.

More like 2,000-3,000 per year according the college board.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m a broken record here but once you hit the threshold, it doesn’t matter for the HYP of the world.

It does matter for a school like Duke or Vandy.

how do you know? data?

[Anonymous]

It's hard to know because some parents and kids lie about their SAT. I have heard so many parents at our school claim their kids got "1570/1580/1590 first try" but when you look at Naviance and our school's official senior class profile, the math just doesn't add up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's hard to know because some parents and kids lie about their SAT. I have heard so many parents at our school claim their kids got "1570/1580/1590 first try" but when you look at Naviance and our school's official senior class profile, the math just doesn't add up.

Who goes around saying what their kid's SAT score is? How does that even come up in conversation? My kid is one of these, but nobody knows that except for my husband and kid and the school college counselor.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a broken record here but once you hit the threshold, it doesn’t matter for the HYP of the world.

It does matter for a school like Duke or Vandy.

It matters too at JHU Penn. That said, they have gotten so many 1580+ applying to JHU and Penn. Sometimes it gives you an illusion that they don't care but they do. Any school outside HYPMS all cares a great deal about your test score.

Those who want to believe that somehow a 1580 is actually viewed differently than a 1570 will keep deluding themselves. Nothing that anyone says will convince them otherwise. Likewise, those who believe that MIT somehow considers a 770 different than a 780 (though both may result from the exact same number of missed questions) because of their bucketing example which was an example rather than a hard rule will likewise never be convinced otherwise.

Others will settle into what the vast majority of informed voices say which is that above a certain point other factors take over.

Pick your poison because neither group is listening to the other but as you pick remember that correlation isn't causation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's hard to know because some parents and kids lie about their SAT. I have heard so many parents at our school claim their kids got "1570/1580/1590 first try" but when you look at Naviance and our school's official senior class profile, the math just doesn't add up.

If you spent any significant time on DCUM you would realize that the entire population of HYPSM is from the DMV and all of their moms are in this discussion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Other than schools like Caltech?

I have looked at our Naviance, I don’t see a pattern where high test scores help admissions. There is always a healthy distribution of test scores for top schools.

Someone mentioned in the other thread that they help in Michigan admissions. What is your observation at your school?

It helps, but it does not guaranty admission. T20 schools will consider other parts of the application.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My 4.0 uw 1550 public school DC denied by all T20s. Enrolled at UMD.

This was also my public school kid; 1550, 4.0 UW; excellent academic rigor; high AP test scores; average ECs. Enrolled at UMD for engineering. It wasn't surprising, b/c HS school peers had similar rigor and test scores, but excellent ECs.

I think there's a different threshold for Eng and CS.

DC scored 1580, 4.0/4.92 gpa from a magnet was waitlisted at Mich, denied at UIUC, GATech.. In at UMD with merit. Worked out well for DC in the end.

None of these are T20. These are heavily engineering focus schools with millions of same high stats applicants.

I bet your DC would have a much better chance applying to T20s with a different major, e.g., education. Then declare CS major sophomore.

Millions of applicants with an unblemished unweighted GPA, apparently substantial rigor based on their weighted GPA, and a 1580?

Can’t deal with this post-fact reality any more …

With grade inflation yes there may be millions of applicants with flawless gpas.

1580 is very rare. There are 2 million sat takers every year. Only about 10k achieved 1580+ each year.

More like 2,000-3,000 per year according the college board.

Any idea how many get a 35?

[Anonymous]

I’ve asked this question elsewhere before but when folks here are tossing around numbers, am I to assume they are single sitting scores or superscores? Or are you all mixing them up?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’ve asked this question elsewhere before but when folks here are tossing around numbers, am I to assume they are single sitting scores or superscores? Or are you all mixing them up?

Single sitting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m a broken record here but once you hit the threshold, it doesn’t matter for the HYP of the world.

It does matter for a school like Duke or Vandy.

It matters too at JHU Penn. That said, they have gotten so many 1580+ applying to JHU and Penn. Sometimes it gives you an illusion that they don't care but they do. Any school outside HYPMS all cares a great deal about your test score.

Those who want to believe that somehow a 1580 is actually viewed differently than a 1570 will keep deluding themselves. Nothing that anyone says will convince them otherwise. Likewise, those who believe that MIT somehow considers a 770 different than a 780 (though both may result from the exact same number of missed questions) because of their bucketing example which was an example rather than a hard rule will likewise never be convinced otherwise.

Others will settle into what the vast majority of informed voices say which is that above a certain point other factors take over.

Pick your poison because neither group is listening to the other but as you pick remember that correlation isn't causation.

Views are changing.

A year ago, people would challenge "somehow a 1580 is actually viewed differently than a 1500 will keep deluding themselves." Now they don't say 1500 anymore. Because they also believe 1580 is different from 1500 in kind.