reality for 1500 SAT (no SLAC)

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Anonymous wrote:DC was at an ID camp at WashU and was told by the coach not to submit a lower than 1530 SAT. They want the kids with super high SAT’s.

Yes, my DC was being actively recruited by Wash U and pre-screened by admissions and the message was that DC needed to get above 1500 (score was 1480, grades were very high, 11 APs with 4s and 5s).

In the tours, WUSTL AO openly tell the room not to submit below 1500/34. They don't hide it. This was in the information session for everyone (not athletes).

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Anonymous wrote:Get 1510 and you'll get a few reaches.

Not true

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Anonymous wrote:DC was at an ID camp at WashU and was told by the coach not to submit a lower than 1530 SAT. They want the kids with super high SAT’s.

Yes, my DC was being actively recruited by Wash U and pre-screened by admissions and the message was that DC needed to get above 1500 (score was 1480, grades were very high, 11 APs with 4s and 5s).

In the tours, WUSTL AO openly tell the room not to submit below 1500/34. They don't hide it. This was in the information session for everyone (not athletes).

WashU is pretty interesting when it comes to recruited athletes and SAT scores. Since they are letting recruits in via their sport it appears that they don't want scores which could impact the schools numbers. As I mentioned in an earlier post the Coach recruiting my kid said that a 780M wasn't "interesting" but because she also had a 780V they wanted the score submitted because that was "interesting". Not hard to see what they are doing.

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Anonymous wrote:DC was at an ID camp at WashU and was told by the coach not to submit a lower than 1530 SAT. They want the kids with super high SAT’s.

Yes, my DC was being actively recruited by Wash U and pre-screened by admissions and the message was that DC needed to get above 1500 (score was 1480, grades were very high, 11 APs with 4s and 5s).

In the tours, WUSTL AO openly tell the room not to submit below 1500/34. They don't hide it. This was in the information session for everyone (not athletes).

WashU is pretty interesting when it comes to recruited athletes and SAT scores. Since they are letting recruits in via their sport it appears that they don't want scores which could impact the schools numbers. As I mentioned in an earlier post the Coach recruiting my kid said that a 780M wasn't "interesting" but because she also had a 780V they wanted the score submitted because that was "interesting". Not hard to see what they are doing.

I don't get it. Don't most schools who are TO only want kids to submit them if they are very high so that it skews their 25%/50%/75% test scores for admitted students? What is it you see WashU doing that is any different from what is known: only submit your test score to a TO school if it really helps.

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Anonymous wrote:We’ve looked at Naviance, and at least at our school the outcomes really do vary. I can’t quite understand why a student with a 1430 might get in while someone with a 1580 doesn’t.

I’m also curious how people define “amazing” extracurriculars. Are there concrete examples of what’s considered good versus great?

Thank you! And is anyone else navigating this without relying on a counselor?

I do alumni interviews for an Ivy and you have no idea how homogeneous files of strong students generally look. It's the 1500(+) SAT applicants who stand out in some way, and have a cohesive narrative, that have some chance at the high reaches. Especially in the DMV, where strong unhooked applicants are a dime a dozen and kids are competing against international Olympiad medalists, award-winning musicians, recruited athletes, published researchers, VIP kids etc. (great ECs) The competition is simply brutal. Good = leadership in school clubs, editing the school newspaper, long-term commitment to music, art, athletics, Scouts. Not likely to move the needle at a high reach but with strong essays, solid chance at a high target.

A 1430 kid is not getting into a T-10 unless hooked, usually FGLI and representing geographic diversity as well.

Everyone always says this, but Penn has 2500 freshman; they can't all be national award winners, especially when a lot of those award winners are at other top 10 schools.

2500 freshman
how many hooked? athletes, legacy, donor, faculty, FG LI, URM.
Philly local public school kids. How many?
Then there are feeder schools nation wide.
A small piece of pie for the MC UMC.

Legacy is pretty much irrelevant if not a big donor. Faculty is going to be a few kids each year at most. URM is not permitted anymore. FGLI I'll give you, but again, not a huge number. Athletes are probably the biggest hook, but that aside still leaves plenty of room for normal academic standouts.

Faculty/staff is way more than a few kids. From my kid’s Philly area HS last year about 15 went to Penn and I think basically all had parents who worked there. That’s just one HS.

15 kids to Penn from any high school his exceedingly rare, and you know that. C'mon.

Perhaps it’s the school that most Penn faculty send their kids to, just like Hopkins in New Haven for Yale.

It’s public and no. You’re thinking faculty but Penn is the biggest employer in the region and there are tons of regular-type staff jobs with tuition benefits at Penn.

But those don't provide the same admissions bump as for faculty kids.

exactly!

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Anonymous wrote:DC was at an ID camp at WashU and was told by the coach not to submit a lower than 1530 SAT. They want the kids with super high SAT’s.

Yes, my DC was being actively recruited by Wash U and pre-screened by admissions and the message was that DC needed to get above 1500 (score was 1480, grades were very high, 11 APs with 4s and 5s).

In the tours, WUSTL AO openly tell the room not to submit below 1500/34. They don't hide it. This was in the information session for everyone (not athletes).

WashU is pretty interesting when it comes to recruited athletes and SAT scores. Since they are letting recruits in via their sport it appears that they don't want scores which could impact the schools numbers. As I mentioned in an earlier post the Coach recruiting my kid said that a 780M wasn't "interesting" but because she also had a 780V they wanted the score submitted because that was "interesting". Not hard to see what they are doing.

I don't get it. Don't most schools who are TO only want kids to submit them if they are very high so that it skews their 25%/50%/75% test scores for admitted students? What is it you see WashU doing that is any different from what is known: only submit your test score to a TO school if it really helps.

So they’d rather admit a 1250 TO than someone with a solid 1450?

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Anonymous wrote:DC was at an ID camp at WashU and was told by the coach not to submit a lower than 1530 SAT. They want the kids with super high SAT’s.

Yes, my DC was being actively recruited by Wash U and pre-screened by admissions and the message was that DC needed to get above 1500 (score was 1480, grades were very high, 11 APs with 4s and 5s).

In the tours, WUSTL AO openly tell the room not to submit below 1500/34. They don't hide it. This was in the information session for everyone (not athletes).

WashU is pretty interesting when it comes to recruited athletes and SAT scores. Since they are letting recruits in via their sport it appears that they don't want scores which could impact the schools numbers. As I mentioned in an earlier post the Coach recruiting my kid said that a 780M wasn't "interesting" but because she also had a 780V they wanted the score submitted because that was "interesting". Not hard to see what they are doing.

I don't get it. Don't most schools who are TO only want kids to submit them if they are very high so that it skews their 25%/50%/75% test scores for admitted students? What is it you see WashU doing that is any different from what is known: only submit your test score to a TO school if it really helps.

So they’d rather admit a 1250 TO than someone with a solid 1450?

ummm. yes. every single TO school would admit a STRONG TO candidate who brought something to the table.
TO candidates are generally held to the highest standards.

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Anonymous wrote:DC was at an ID camp at WashU and was told by the coach not to submit a lower than 1530 SAT. They want the kids with super high SAT’s.

Yes, my DC was being actively recruited by Wash U and pre-screened by admissions and the message was that DC needed to get above 1500 (score was 1480, grades were very high, 11 APs with 4s and 5s).

In the tours, WUSTL AO openly tell the room not to submit below 1500/34. They don't hide it. This was in the information session for everyone (not athletes).

WashU is pretty interesting when it comes to recruited athletes and SAT scores. Since they are letting recruits in via their sport it appears that they don't want scores which could impact the schools numbers. As I mentioned in an earlier post the Coach recruiting my kid said that a 780M wasn't "interesting" but because she also had a 780V they wanted the score submitted because that was "interesting". Not hard to see what they are doing.

I don't get it. Don't most schools who are TO only want kids to submit them if they are very high so that it skews their 25%/50%/75% test scores for admitted students? What is it you see WashU doing that is any different from what is known: only submit your test score to a TO school if it really helps.

So they’d rather admit a 1250 TO than someone with a solid 1450?

ummm. yes. every single TO school would admit a STRONG TO candidate who brought something to the table.
TO candidates are generally held to the highest standards.

They sure brought more employment opportunity to remedial class instructors😉

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Anonymous wrote:DC was at an ID camp at WashU and was told by the coach not to submit a lower than 1530 SAT. They want the kids with super high SAT’s.

Yes, my DC was being actively recruited by Wash U and pre-screened by admissions and the message was that DC needed to get above 1500 (score was 1480, grades were very high, 11 APs with 4s and 5s).

In the tours, WUSTL AO openly tell the room not to submit below 1500/34. They don't hide it. This was in the information session for everyone (not athletes).

That is crazy!

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They are trying to skew their SAT stats ever higher, that's all.

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Anonymous wrote:They are trying to skew their SAT stats ever higher, that's all.

But people are not dumb. When you have 40-50% test optional, everybody knows the median is lower than 1400 and the 25th percentile is below 1300, no?

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Anonymous wrote:DC was at an ID camp at WashU and was told by the coach not to submit a lower than 1530 SAT. They want the kids with super high SAT’s.

Yes, my DC was being actively recruited by Wash U and pre-screened by admissions and the message was that DC needed to get above 1500 (score was 1480, grades were very high, 11 APs with 4s and 5s).

In the tours, WUSTL AO openly tell the room not to submit below 1500/34. They don't hide it. This was in the information session for everyone (not athletes).

Vandy did that last cycle (right in the info sessions: nothing lower than a 34, and they'd prefer 35 for RD). Not sure what they are telling people these days.

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Echoing the poster who encouraged to add Pitt.

My kid (1560 SAT) wanted mid to large public, and had Pitt on her list as a safety/target. After visiting, she realized it was the most exciting place to be. She's been super happy there. Your kid would likely get honors program, and their honors program is nice (great housing, smaller community, etc).

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Anonymous wrote:They are trying to skew their SAT stats ever higher, that's all.

But people are not dumb. When you have 40-50% test optional, everybody knows the median is lower than 1400 and the 25th percentile is below 1300, no?

They would prefer to have 40% of applicants submit and show a 1530 - 1580 range, rather than have 55% submit and show a 1500 - 1550 range.

Because most people will take a quick glance at the score range in US News and make assumptions based on that.

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Anonymous wrote:DC was at an ID camp at WashU and was told by the coach not to submit a lower than 1530 SAT. They want the kids with super high SAT’s.

Yes, my DC was being actively recruited by Wash U and pre-screened by admissions and the message was that DC needed to get above 1500 (score was 1480, grades were very high, 11 APs with 4s and 5s).

In the tours, WUSTL AO openly tell the room not to submit below 1500/34. They don't hide it. This was in the information session for everyone (not athletes).

WashU is pretty interesting when it comes to recruited athletes and SAT scores. Since they are letting recruits in via their sport it appears that they don't want scores which could impact the schools numbers. As I mentioned in an earlier post the Coach recruiting my kid said that a 780M wasn't "interesting" but because she also had a 780V they wanted the score submitted because that was "interesting". Not hard to see what they are doing.

I don't get it. Don't most schools who are TO only want kids to submit them if they are very high so that it skews their 25%/50%/75% test scores for admitted students? What is it you see WashU doing that is any different from what is known: only submit your test score to a TO school if it really helps.

So they’d rather admit a 1250 TO than someone with a solid 1450?

The reality is that they are indifferent between the two.