One of the reasons I don't believe in Christianity is because the Jews did not believe in Jesus

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. My main point was that in the old testament the God there chooses the jews even though they often don't believe in him. They are his special people. He stays with them like a parent with his children even when they disobey and hes cruel to other groups of people. The Christian God does not believe in a special group of people at all. Its a different God that doesn't care about your lineage. Then the Christian God eventually forgets the jews. Doesn't go back to get them. Just moves onto using his spirit to convince Pagans to follow him. To me it's all so obvious that the two Gods are inconsistent with each other and not the same God.

Belief in the Christian God evolved like everything else. The early Israelites were culturally indistinguishable from their Canaanite neighbors, who worshipped a pantheon led by El, the creator and father of the gods. Other prominent figures included the storm god Baal and El's consort Asherah. Evidence suggests Yahweh (the Jewish name for God) originated as a local warrior or storm god from the southern regions of Edom or Midian. When this deity was introduced to the north, he was initially integrated into the Canaanite-style pantheon, possibly even viewed as one of the many sons of El. Over time, the Israelites syncretized Yahweh with El, eventually using the names interchangeably. Yahweh assumed El’s title as "Most High" and the supreme creator. This evolved into monolatry, the worship of one god (Yahweh) as a national patron while still acknowledging the existence of other gods like Baal, who became Yahweh's primary rivals. Following the Babylonian Exile (6th century BCE), Israelite religion shifted from monolatry to exclusive monotheism. The existence of other gods was denied entirely, and those other gods were reclassified as idols or demons. Yahweh was no longer just a national deity but the one and only "God" of all nations. By the Hellenistic and Roman periods, Jews began substituting the sacred name "Yahweh" with titles like Adonai ("Lord"). Christianity emerged from this Second Temple Judaism, further evolving the concept.

OP here. I'm with you and agree these are all the results of cultural shifts. However obviously "God" cannot be all of those things and still be the same god. Same way the God of Judiasm and Christianity is not the same God, but a God that has changed according to cultural influences.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. My main point was that in the old testament the God there chooses the jews even though they often don't believe in him. They are his special people. He stays with them like a parent with his children even when they disobey and hes cruel to other groups of people. The Christian God does not believe in a special group of people at all. Its a different God that doesn't care about your lineage. Then the Christian God eventually forgets the jews. Doesn't go back to get them. Just moves onto using his spirit to convince Pagans to follow him. To me it's all so obvious that the two Gods are inconsistent with each other and not the same God.

Belief in the Christian God evolved like everything else. The early Israelites were culturally indistinguishable from their Canaanite neighbors, who worshipped a pantheon led by El, the creator and father of the gods. Other prominent figures included the storm god Baal and El's consort Asherah. Evidence suggests Yahweh (the Jewish name for God) originated as a local warrior or storm god from the southern regions of Edom or Midian. When this deity was introduced to the north, he was initially integrated into the Canaanite-style pantheon, possibly even viewed as one of the many sons of El. Over time, the Israelites syncretized Yahweh with El, eventually using the names interchangeably. Yahweh assumed El’s title as "Most High" and the supreme creator. This evolved into monolatry, the worship of one god (Yahweh) as a national patron while still acknowledging the existence of other gods like Baal, who became Yahweh's primary rivals. Following the Babylonian Exile (6th century BCE), Israelite religion shifted from monolatry to exclusive monotheism. The existence of other gods was denied entirely, and those other gods were reclassified as idols or demons. Yahweh was no longer just a national deity but the one and only "God" of all nations. By the Hellenistic and Roman periods, Jews began substituting the sacred name "Yahweh" with titles like Adonai ("Lord"). Christianity emerged from this Second Temple Judaism, further evolving the concept.

OP here. I'm with you and agree these are all the results of cultural shifts. However obviously "God" cannot be all of those things and still be the same god. Same way the God of Judiasm and Christianity is not the same God, but a God that has changed according to cultural influences.

The idea of there being one God caught on and was more popular than the greek and roman ideas of multiple gods to handle/oversee multiple human desires

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. My main point was that in the old testament the God there chooses the jews even though they often don't believe in him. They are his special people. He stays with them like a parent with his children even when they disobey and hes cruel to other groups of people. The Christian God does not believe in a special group of people at all. Its a different God that doesn't care about your lineage. Then the Christian God eventually forgets the jews. Doesn't go back to get them. Just moves onto using his spirit to convince Pagans to follow him. To me it's all so obvious that the two Gods are inconsistent with each other and not the same God.

Belief in the Christian God evolved like everything else. The early Israelites were culturally indistinguishable from their Canaanite neighbors, who worshipped a pantheon led by El, the creator and father of the gods. Other prominent figures included the storm god Baal and El's consort Asherah. Evidence suggests Yahweh (the Jewish name for God) originated as a local warrior or storm god from the southern regions of Edom or Midian. When this deity was introduced to the north, he was initially integrated into the Canaanite-style pantheon, possibly even viewed as one of the many sons of El. Over time, the Israelites syncretized Yahweh with El, eventually using the names interchangeably. Yahweh assumed El’s title as "Most High" and the supreme creator. This evolved into monolatry, the worship of one god (Yahweh) as a national patron while still acknowledging the existence of other gods like Baal, who became Yahweh's primary rivals. Following the Babylonian Exile (6th century BCE), Israelite religion shifted from monolatry to exclusive monotheism. The existence of other gods was denied entirely, and those other gods were reclassified as idols or demons. Yahweh was no longer just a national deity but the one and only "God" of all nations. By the Hellenistic and Roman periods, Jews began substituting the sacred name "Yahweh" with titles like Adonai ("Lord"). Christianity emerged from this Second Temple Judaism, further evolving the concept.

OP here. I'm with you and agree these are all the results of cultural shifts. However obviously "God" cannot be all of those things and still be the same god. Same way the God of Judiasm and Christianity is not the same God, but a God that has changed according to cultural influences.

I appreciate your curiosity. It is fascinating to learn about how religions/god(s) belief has changed over time. For example, compare the belief systems of Egypt (influenced by the flooding of the Nile) versus the belief systems of the Levant (influenced by rain/drought).

It is also sad how many adults go around who are completely ignorant and think that their god (typically Jesus) sprang out of nowhere as an eternal existing being that created the universe.

[Anonymous]

Again I agree with you. Back to the original realization that the Jewish God and Christian God aren't the same God, I believe these historical connections and the lack of continuity from one supposed religion to the next proves that these religions are just made up by humans relative to cultural shifts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Again I agree with you. Back to the original realization that the Jewish God and Christian God aren't the same God, I believe these historical connections and the lack of continuity from one supposed religion to the next proves that these religions are just made up by humans relative to cultural shifts.

I was taught in Catechism that there was one God and that Jews believed in God but didn't believe that Jesus was the son of God.

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OP, have you read the whole Bible? There is a lot of foreshadowing of Jesus in the OT. Those who pleased God in the OT and NT did so through faith. Example Abraham per Romans 4:20.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Again I agree with you. Back to the original realization that the Jewish God and Christian God aren't the same God, I believe these historical connections and the lack of continuity from one supposed religion to the next proves that these religions are just made up by humans relative to cultural shifts.

I was taught in Catechism that there was one God and that Jews believed in God but didn't believe that Jesus was the son of God.

That’s how your religion explains Jewish belief.

The Jewish god doesn’t have a son.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP, have you read the whole Bible? There is a lot of foreshadowing of Jesus in the OT. Those who pleased God in the OT and NT did so through faith. Example Abraham per Romans 4:20.

Correction. The "jewish christians" through midrash invented the story of Jesus based on the OT. 🤫

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Again I agree with you. Back to the original realization that the Jewish God and Christian God aren't the same God, I believe these historical connections and the lack of continuity from one supposed religion to the next proves that these religions are just made up by humans relative to cultural shifts.

I was taught in Catechism that there was one God and that Jews believed in God but didn't believe that Jesus was the son of God.

Just because you were "taught" something doesnt make it true or accurate.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. My main point was that in the old testament the God there chooses the jews even though they often don't believe in him. They are his special people. He stays with them like a parent with his children even when they disobey and hes cruel to other groups of people. The Christian God does not believe in a special group of people at all. Its a different God that doesn't care about your lineage. Then the Christian God eventually forgets the jews. Doesn't go back to get them. Just moves onto using his spirit to convince Pagans to follow him. To me it's all so obvious that the two Gods are inconsistent with each other and not the same God.

Belief in the Christian God evolved like everything else. The early Israelites were culturally indistinguishable from their Canaanite neighbors, who worshipped a pantheon led by El, the creator and father of the gods. Other prominent figures included the storm god Baal and El's consort Asherah. Evidence suggests Yahweh (the Jewish name for God) originated as a local warrior or storm god from the southern regions of Edom or Midian. When this deity was introduced to the north, he was initially integrated into the Canaanite-style pantheon, possibly even viewed as one of the many sons of El. Over time, the Israelites syncretized Yahweh with El, eventually using the names interchangeably. Yahweh assumed El’s title as "Most High" and the supreme creator. This evolved into monolatry, the worship of one god (Yahweh) as a national patron while still acknowledging the existence of other gods like Baal, who became Yahweh's primary rivals. Following the Babylonian Exile (6th century BCE), Israelite religion shifted from monolatry to exclusive monotheism. The existence of other gods was denied entirely, and those other gods were reclassified as idols or demons. Yahweh was no longer just a national deity but the one and only "God" of all nations. By the Hellenistic and Roman periods, Jews began substituting the sacred name "Yahweh" with titles like Adonai ("Lord"). Christianity emerged from this Second Temple Judaism, further evolving the concept.

OP here. I'm with you and agree these are all the results of cultural shifts. However obviously "God" cannot be all of those things and still be the same god. Same way the God of Judiasm and Christianity is not the same God, but a God that has changed according to cultural influences.

I appreciate your curiosity. It is fascinating to learn about how religions/god(s) belief has changed over time. For example, compare the belief systems of Egypt (influenced by the flooding of the Nile) versus the belief systems of the Levant (influenced by rain/drought).

It is also sad how many adults go around who are completely ignorant and think that their god (typically Jesus) sprang out of nowhere as an eternal existing being that created the universe.

I agree. Once you study history and the history of religions it's easy to see how they came up with their beliefs

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Again I agree with you. Back to the original realization that the Jewish God and Christian God aren't the same God, I believe these historical connections and the lack of continuity from one supposed religion to the next proves that these religions are just made up by humans relative to cultural shifts.

I was taught in Catechism that there was one God and that Jews believed in God but didn't believe that Jesus was the son of God.

That’s how your religion explains Jewish belief.

The Jewish god doesn’t have a son.

The Jews said the the same to Jesus who answered in Mark 12:36-37

For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The Lord said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.

David therefore himself calleth him Lord; and whence is he then his son? And the common people heard him gladly.

Are you Jewsplaining Judaism?

Sit down.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Again I agree with you. Back to the original realization that the Jewish God and Christian God aren't the same God, I believe these historical connections and the lack of continuity from one supposed religion to the next proves that these religions are just made up by humans relative to cultural shifts.

I was taught in Catechism that there was one God and that Jews believed in God but didn't believe that Jesus was the son of God.

Just because you were "taught" something doesnt make it true or accurate.

Sure. Many people were taught the same thing. Not true. Not accurate. But taught it.

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It continues to astound me that there are individuals who continue to unironically reference “chosen people” at this point …

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Many of the early Christians were Jews. The church in Jerusalem was a big deal.

Not in the great scheme of things Jewish. No jew even wrote about Jesus except maybe one one time. Christianity took off when it became part of the Roman religion. Either way, it's obvious that God wasnt convincing to the Jews enough to make it worthwhile to their lives and future lives. It was a bust for the people it was intended for.

Correct - any Jewish influence that Jesus had to have been quite limited and short-lived.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Many of the early Christians were Jews. The church in Jerusalem was a big deal.

Not in the great scheme of things Jewish. No jew even wrote about Jesus except maybe one one time. Christianity took off when it became part of the Roman religion. Either way, it's obvious that God wasnt convincing to the Jews enough to make it worthwhile to their lives and future lives. It was a bust for the people it was intended for.

"No jew even wrote about Jesus except maybe one one time."

More accurate statement would be that no Jew wrote about Jesus, not during the 1st century.