Shooting at Dallas ICE Facility

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:so immigrants were killed, probably people who had "papers" to be here and the officials standing before the cameras as simply lying and gaslighting.

Hey MAGA...THIS is gaslighting.

Papers like phony asylum cases set for 5+ years in the future that everyone No Shows for.

Meanwhile they get auto- asylum welfare, work permits, drivers licenses w no testing, take on a fake ID/ ID fraud, and remit most of their money back home to build new houses or to fund more illegal immigration?

Congress and Biden at least tried to address some of these issues in a bipartisan immigration bill last year. Trump told Republicans to tank it, so they did.

The bill would also end the practice of “catch and release.” If passed into law, the bill would allow migrants who come to the border through lawful ports of entry and families to enter the U.S. under federal supervision for 90 days while they complete asylum interviews. Those who pass would receive work permits as they await adjudication of their claims. Those who fail would be removed from the U.S. and repatriated to their home countries or to Mexico.

The bill would mandate detaining migrants who try to enter the U.S. outside of official ports of entry, pending any asylum claims. Those who fail would also be removed.

The bill allocates funding for repatriation flights up to 77 per day.

The bill also raises the “credible fear” standard during interviews for asylum claims, largely by front-loading consideration of whether migrants have disqualifying criminal histories, whether they lived safely in third countries before trying to cross into the U.S. and whether they could safely relocate within their own countries.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/new-immigration-asylum-reform-bill-released-senate-text-rcna136602

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:so immigrants were killed, probably people who had "papers" to be here and the officials standing before the cameras as simply lying and gaslighting.

Hey MAGA...THIS is gaslighting.

Papers like phony asylum cases set for 5+ years in the future that everyone No Shows for.

Meanwhile they get auto- asylum welfare, work permits, drivers licenses w no testing, take on a fake ID/ ID fraud, and remit most of their money back home to build new houses or to fund more illegal immigration?

The compliance for showing up for hearings was really high, actually.

And the GOP shot down the bill that would have authorized and funded hundreds of new administrative judges to hear the immigration cases more quickly. In fact, trump has fired over 100 of them this year...why?

What is an administrative judge? Does it have a law degree? Has it passed the bar?

Normally, yes, but not under Trump, they waived that requirement.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:so immigrants were killed, probably people who had "papers" to be here and the officials standing before the cameras as simply lying and gaslighting.

Hey MAGA...THIS is gaslighting.

Papers like phony asylum cases set for 5+ years in the future that everyone No Shows for.

Meanwhile they get auto- asylum welfare, work permits, drivers licenses w no testing, take on a fake ID/ ID fraud, and remit most of their money back home to build new houses or to fund more illegal immigration?

The compliance for showing up for hearings was really high, actually.

And the GOP shot down the bill that would have authorized and funded hundreds of new administrative judges to hear the immigration cases more quickly. In fact, trump has fired over 100 of them this year...why?

Cite the last 20 years of data on that PP. Even Pew and Brookings aren’t pretending that’s true.

Data from academic and human rights organizations show that asylum seekers in the US have a high court appearance rate, with studies indicating that well over 80% of asylum seekers attend their hearings
. Compliance rates are significantly higher for those with legal representation, often exceeding 95%. Official government numbers sometimes inflate "no-show" figures because of flawed reporting methods, such as counting only completed cases rather than all pending hearings.
Overall attendance rate

Over 80%: A multi-year study by the American Immigration Council found that 83% of non-detained immigrants with pending or completed removal cases appeared for all of their court hearings between fiscal years 2008 and 2018.
Over 90% for asylum applicants: Another analysis by the American Immigration Council found that from 2001 to 2016, 92% of asylum-seeking families released from detention had attended all their required court hearings.

Impact of legal representation
Legal counsel is the most significant factor affecting compliance rates.

96% to 98% with legal counsel: Multiple analyses of government data reveal that non-detained immigrants with legal representation have court appearance rates of 96% or higher. For families and unaccompanied children with lawyers, compliance rates are nearly 98%.
.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:what other actual attacks on ice are out there? i just googled and other than alot of suspect stuff from ice framing protests as attacks it looks like there was an attack in mexico not the us

I asked AI about this because I haven’t seen it mentioned in one place. I’m as liberal as they come, but I don’t condone violence from anyone. Sadly, I think we’re going to see a lot more violence from all political persuasions in the remainder of Trump‘s term.

- Jun 2025: Rioters assault ICE officers at LA federal building; property damage. No deaths, ICE officers injured.
- Jun 2025: Molotov cocktail thrown at hotel housing ICE agents near LAX. No deaths, no injuries.
- Jul 2, 2025: Vehicle rammed into ICE vehicle in Linda Vista, CA; activist assault. No deaths, no injuries.
- Jul 4, 2025: Armed ambush on Prairieland Detention Facility, TX; gunfire, fireworks. No deaths, 1 local officer injured.
- Jul 4, 2025: Rioters assault ICE agents at Portland, OR facility. No deaths, no injuries.
- Jul 7, 2025: Gunfire at Border Patrol facility in McAllen, TX (ICE-related). No deaths, 3 injured (2 officers, 1 employee).
- Sep 12, 2025: Man drags ICE officer with car near Chicago; officer shoots suspect. 1 suspect killed, 1 ICE officer injured.
- Sep 24, 2025: Sniper attack on Dallas ICE facility. 2 detainees killed, 1 detainee injured; shooter dead.

ICE has been claiming a lot of lawful protests are "assault." They've even tried to charge people and have been unable to get indictments or convictions. The June one you cite above is one example of that. A jury just last week acquitted a protester that ICE claimed assaulted them at that protest. https://www.cbsnews.com/losangeles/news/la-county-ice-protest-not-guilty-acquittal/

AI is just going to pick up BS ICE claims without any real verification.

What’s to protest? Pro-Open Borders?

protesting people here legally being illegally detained and removed from their homes, their cars, their jobs and sent off to god knows where.

What do you mean “legally here”?

TPS
Allowed an asylum hearing in 3-6 years
Green Card
Naturalized Citizen
Other legally recognized forms of Visa's etc.

Jackpot!

Come one and all, just say the magic words!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:so immigrants were killed, probably people who had "papers" to be here and the officials standing before the cameras as simply lying and gaslighting.

Hey MAGA...THIS is gaslighting.

Papers like phony asylum cases set for 5+ years in the future that everyone No Shows for.

Meanwhile they get auto- asylum welfare, work permits, drivers licenses w no testing, take on a fake ID/ ID fraud, and remit most of their money back home to build new houses or to fund more illegal immigration?

The compliance for showing up for hearings was really high, actually.

And the GOP shot down the bill that would have authorized and funded hundreds of new administrative judges to hear the immigration cases more quickly. In fact, trump has fired over 100 of them this year...why?

Cite the last 20 years of data on that PP. Even Pew and Brookings aren’t pretending that’s true.

Data from academic and human rights organizations show that asylum seekers in the US have a high court appearance rate, with studies indicating that well over 80% of asylum seekers attend their hearings
. Compliance rates are significantly higher for those with legal representation, often exceeding 95%. Official government numbers sometimes inflate "no-show" figures because of flawed reporting methods, such as counting only completed cases rather than all pending hearings.
Overall attendance rate

Over 80%: A multi-year study by the American Immigration Council found that 83% of non-detained immigrants with pending or completed removal cases appeared for all of their court hearings between fiscal years 2008 and 2018.
Over 90% for asylum applicants: Another analysis by the American Immigration Council found that from 2001 to 2016, 92% of asylum-seeking families released from detention had attended all their required court hearings.

Impact of legal representation
Legal counsel is the most significant factor affecting compliance rates.

96% to 98% with legal counsel: Multiple analyses of government data reveal that non-detained immigrants with legal representation have court appearance rates of 96% or higher. For families and unaccompanied children with lawyers, compliance rates are nearly 98%.
.

“Cite” your source, which would also cite the data used and methodology applied.

Common sense stats 101

[Anonymous]

But then why would I vote for an immigration single issue bill, even one most voters want, if I don’t get some other goodies in return?

I’m a politician!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:what other actual attacks on ice are out there? i just googled and other than alot of suspect stuff from ice framing protests as attacks it looks like there was an attack in mexico not the us

I asked AI about this because I haven’t seen it mentioned in one place. I’m as liberal as they come, but I don’t condone violence from anyone. Sadly, I think we’re going to see a lot more violence from all political persuasions in the remainder of Trump‘s term.

- Jun 2025: Rioters assault ICE officers at LA federal building; property damage. No deaths, ICE officers injured.
- Jun 2025: Molotov cocktail thrown at hotel housing ICE agents near LAX. No deaths, no injuries.
- Jul 2, 2025: Vehicle rammed into ICE vehicle in Linda Vista, CA; activist assault. No deaths, no injuries.
- Jul 4, 2025: Armed ambush on Prairieland Detention Facility, TX; gunfire, fireworks. No deaths, 1 local officer injured.
- Jul 4, 2025: Rioters assault ICE agents at Portland, OR facility. No deaths, no injuries.
- Jul 7, 2025: Gunfire at Border Patrol facility in McAllen, TX (ICE-related). No deaths, 3 injured (2 officers, 1 employee).
- Sep 12, 2025: Man drags ICE officer with car near Chicago; officer shoots suspect. 1 suspect killed, 1 ICE officer injured.
- Sep 24, 2025: Sniper attack on Dallas ICE facility. 2 detainees killed, 1 detainee injured; shooter dead.

ICE has been claiming a lot of lawful protests are "assault." They've even tried to charge people and have been unable to get indictments or convictions. The June one you cite above is one example of that. A jury just last week acquitted a protester that ICE claimed assaulted them at that protest. https://www.cbsnews.com/losangeles/news/la-county-ice-protest-not-guilty-acquittal/

AI is just going to pick up BS ICE claims without any real verification.

What’s to protest? Pro-Open Borders?

protesting people here legally being illegally detained and removed from their homes, their cars, their jobs and sent off to god knows where.

What do you mean “legally here”?

TPS
Allowed an asylum hearing
Green Card
Naturalized Citizen
Other legally recognized forms of Visa's etc.

The first too should happen offshore. Period.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Disconnect is allowing illegals in with TBD immigration status and case review.

It’s a well known way to game the US immigration system, pop out some anchor babies, make cash market arbitrage wages, and stay indefinitely under the radar.

And contribute payroll taxes, social security, unemployment, medicare/medicaid that are never collected as well as sales taxes, real estate taxes (through rent) and spend money that contributes to the GDP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:what other actual attacks on ice are out there? i just googled and other than alot of suspect stuff from ice framing protests as attacks it looks like there was an attack in mexico not the us

Based on available public records, court documents, and news reports, the ten individuals charged in the July 4, 2025, shooting at the Prairieland Detention Facility appear to share left-wing political leanings, often aligned with anti-fascist (Antifa), anarchist, or progressive activism. This is evidenced by materials found at the scene (e.g., flyers reading "FIGHT ICE TERROR WITH CLASS WAR!" and "FREE ALL POLITICAL PRISONERS," and a flag stating "RESIST FASCISM – FIGHT OLIGARCHY"), prior protest involvement, and associations with left-leaning causes. Some sources explicitly describe the group as part of a North Texas Antifa cell. No evidence of conservative or right-wing affiliations was found for any of them.

uMpoSSible !

aNtIfa DoEs nOT eXiSt !! (herp derp)

Antifa exists, it simply isn't an organization. You are deeply stupid.

It's not like any antifa groups have never been sued by the government for contributing to violence...

https://www.nlg.org/represented-by-nlg-central-va-attorneys-redneck-revolt-reaches-settlement-in-charlottesville-lawsuit/

Again, ANTIFA is not an organization. ANTIFA is an idea, that many different people and different groups support, including, at one time, the American military.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:so immigrants were killed, probably people who had "papers" to be here and the officials standing before the cameras as simply lying and gaslighting.

Hey MAGA...THIS is gaslighting.

Papers like phony asylum cases set for 5+ years in the future that everyone No Shows for.

Meanwhile they get auto- asylum welfare, work permits, drivers licenses w no testing, take on a fake ID/ ID fraud, and remit most of their money back home to build new houses or to fund more illegal immigration?

Congress and Biden at least tried to address some of these issues in a bipartisan immigration bill last year. Trump told Republicans to tank it, so they did.

The bill would also end the practice of “catch and release.” If passed into law, the bill would allow migrants who come to the border through lawful ports of entry and families to enter the U.S. under federal supervision for 90 days while they complete asylum interviews. Those who pass would receive work permits as they await adjudication of their claims. Those who fail would be removed from the U.S. and repatriated to their home countries or to Mexico.

The bill would mandate detaining migrants who try to enter the U.S. outside of official ports of entry, pending any asylum claims. Those who fail would also be removed.

The bill allocates funding for repatriation flights up to 77 per day.

The bill also raises the “credible fear” standard during interviews for asylum claims, largely by front-loading consideration of whether migrants have disqualifying criminal histories, whether they lived safely in third countries before trying to cross into the U.S. and whether they could safely relocate within their own countries.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/new-immigration-asylum-reform-bill-released-senate-text-rcna136602

That’s why we need Single Issue bills, not 200 issue bills with horse trading and 800 pages of BS.

It was a GOP Senate bill that the Dem House and Dem White House agreed to support...until Trump tanked it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Disconnect is allowing illegals in with TBD immigration status and case review.

It’s a well known way to game the US immigration system, pop out some anchor babies, make cash market arbitrage wages, and stay indefinitely under the radar.

And contribute payroll taxes, social security, unemployment, medicare/medicaid that are never collected as well as sales taxes, real estate taxes (through rent) and spend money that contributes to the GDP.

This thread is about someone shooting ICE detainees. Let's not get into a debate with these mouthbreathers about immigration, as though there's any justification for this.

Only days ago, they were telling us all how despicable it is to celebrate death and to make excuses for political violence.

Now they want to debate immigration policy instead of talking about the actual crime. Don't take the bait.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:so immigrants were killed, probably people who had "papers" to be here and the officials standing before the cameras as simply lying and gaslighting.

Hey MAGA...THIS is gaslighting.

Papers like phony asylum cases set for 5+ years in the future that everyone No Shows for.

Meanwhile they get auto- asylum welfare, work permits, drivers licenses w no testing, take on a fake ID/ ID fraud, and remit most of their money back home to build new houses or to fund more illegal immigration?

The compliance for showing up for hearings was really high, actually.

And the GOP shot down the bill that would have authorized and funded hundreds of new administrative judges to hear the immigration cases more quickly. In fact, trump has fired over 100 of them this year...why?

Cite the last 20 years of data on that PP. Even Pew and Brookings aren’t pretending that’s true.

Data from academic and human rights organizations show that asylum seekers in the US have a high court appearance rate, with studies indicating that well over 80% of asylum seekers attend their hearings
. Compliance rates are significantly higher for those with legal representation, often exceeding 95%. Official government numbers sometimes inflate "no-show" figures because of flawed reporting methods, such as counting only completed cases rather than all pending hearings.
Overall attendance rate

Over 80%: A multi-year study by the American Immigration Council found that 83% of non-detained immigrants with pending or completed removal cases appeared for all of their court hearings between fiscal years 2008 and 2018.
Over 90% for asylum applicants: Another analysis by the American Immigration Council found that from 2001 to 2016, 92% of asylum-seeking families released from detention had attended all their required court hearings.

Impact of legal representation
Legal counsel is the most significant factor affecting compliance rates.

96% to 98% with legal counsel: Multiple analyses of government data reveal that non-detained immigrants with legal representation have court appearance rates of 96% or higher. For families and unaccompanied children with lawyers, compliance rates are nearly 98%.
.

“Cite” your source, which would also cite the data used and methodology applied.

Common sense stats 101

https://humanrightsfirst.org/library/fact-check-asylum-seekers-regularly-attend-immigration-court-hearings/

https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/report/measuring-absentia-removal-immigration-court/

https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/blog/immigrants-appear-in-court/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/06/26/how-many-migrants-show-up-immigration-court-hearings/

Happy to cite. Maybe your common sense needs an adjustment?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:But then why would I vote for an immigration single issue bill, even one most voters want, if I don’t get some other goodies in return?

I’m a politician!

The more "fair" you try to make things through carve-outs, the more unfair things become.

The country is suffering from complexity collapse and the unintended consequences of these bills.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:what other actual attacks on ice are out there? i just googled and other than alot of suspect stuff from ice framing protests as attacks it looks like there was an attack in mexico not the us

Based on available public records, court documents, and news reports, the ten individuals charged in the July 4, 2025, shooting at the Prairieland Detention Facility appear to share left-wing political leanings, often aligned with anti-fascist (Antifa), anarchist, or progressive activism. This is evidenced by materials found at the scene (e.g., flyers reading "FIGHT ICE TERROR WITH CLASS WAR!" and "FREE ALL POLITICAL PRISONERS," and a flag stating "RESIST FASCISM – FIGHT OLIGARCHY"), prior protest involvement, and associations with left-leaning causes. Some sources explicitly describe the group as part of a North Texas Antifa cell. No evidence of conservative or right-wing affiliations was found for any of them.

uMpoSSible !

aNtIfa DoEs nOT eXiSt !! (herp derp)

Antifa exists, it simply isn't an organization. You are deeply stupid.

It's not like any antifa groups have never been sued by the government for contributing to violence...

https://www.nlg.org/represented-by-nlg-central-va-attorneys-redneck-revolt-reaches-settlement-in-charlottesville-lawsuit/

Again, ANTIFA is not an organization. ANTIFA is an idea, that many different people and different groups support, including, at one time, the American military.

ANTIFA - AntiFascist

So if you are opposed to ANTIFA then...(fill in the blank)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:what other actual attacks on ice are out there? i just googled and other than alot of suspect stuff from ice framing protests as attacks it looks like there was an attack in mexico not the us

Based on available public records, court documents, and news reports, the ten individuals charged in the July 4, 2025, shooting at the Prairieland Detention Facility appear to share left-wing political leanings, often aligned with anti-fascist (Antifa), anarchist, or progressive activism. This is evidenced by materials found at the scene (e.g., flyers reading "FIGHT ICE TERROR WITH CLASS WAR!" and "FREE ALL POLITICAL PRISONERS," and a flag stating "RESIST FASCISM – FIGHT OLIGARCHY"), prior protest involvement, and associations with left-leaning causes. Some sources explicitly describe the group as part of a North Texas Antifa cell. No evidence of conservative or right-wing affiliations was found for any of them.

uMpoSSible !

aNtIfa DoEs nOT eXiSt !! (herp derp)

Antifa exists, it simply isn't an organization. You are deeply stupid.

It's not like any antifa groups have never been sued by the government for contributing to violence...

https://www.nlg.org/represented-by-nlg-central-va-attorneys-redneck-revolt-reaches-settlement-in-charlottesville-lawsuit/

Again, ANTIFA is not an organization. ANTIFA is an idea, that many different people and different groups support, including, at one time, the American military.

ANTIFA - AntiFascist

So if you are opposed to ANTIFA then...(fill in the blank)

I guess MAGA has been trying to tell us this whole time. They were always anti antifa.

They love their orange fascist.