Why is "not living in fear" so important to conservative identity?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here is a whole city “living in fear”


A weak mayor, Bass, who is doing nothing about break ins, assaults…

This who community is pleading for help. Thai is a wealthy community. Would you want to live here?

This is the type of situation you never want to be in. But keep electing Democrats and soft o crime judges, and this is what you will get.


https://abc7.com/post/encino-community-mourns-murdered-american-idol-executive-husband-safety-concerns-persist/17503890/

Thanks, will do. It’s far better to accept a little risk in life than to me such an embarrassing and disgusting coward that you’d support fascism.

You do not understand the definition of Fascism. Wanting to keep criminals off the streets is not fascist you moron. Maybe you can be the next victim?

[Anonymous]

"We also gave those who wish to destroy space to do that as well." - Mayor of Baltimore Stephanie Rawlins-Blake (D)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do Dems thinks it’s NBD to be victimized by criminals? As if somehow that is the default condition for all of us? We should just expect and accept our victimization and not make such a fuss over it?

Dems don't actually think this. why do you think we do?

NP

I haven’t read all 8 pages of this thread, because what I’ve read so far seems to reflect the expected arguments of both sides. Over and over again, whether on this issue or any other, everyone seems to line up and parrot the same tired talking points that their respective parties have been spouting for decades - “Republicans are racist”, “Democrats are soft on crime”. Neither side seems willing to acknowledge that life is complex and reality doesn’t align with party platforms.

For starters, we can remember Mark Twain’s observation that “There are lies, d——d lies, and statistics.”

Maybe crime statistics are down overall and you feel safe in your life - great! Those are excellent things to celebrate, but it doesn’t necessarily mean that’s a universal experience. Hypothetically, a city could experience a crime drop in 3/4 of the (safer) neighborhoods, but still have a dangerous neighborhood where the crime levels remain high or even increase, or of course it could reflect improved safety citywide. People who live in safe, NIMBY neighborhoods, listening to statistics or anecdotes that support their pre-existing worldview from sympathetic media, whether they confirm the bias that crime isn’t so bad or the bias that crime is terrible have very little idea of what is actually happening in the “bad” neighborhoods. If statistics say that the crime rate low and falling, it doesn’t mean that it isn’t still a problem and that some people live in fear. On the other hand, even if there is a news report about a terrible experience with crime, it doesn’t mean that that particular incident is an accurate representation of overall crime levels rather than a possible isolated incident. In both cases, getting an accurate idea of the actual state of affairs requires a deeper analysis than most of us are willing to commit the time and effort to undertake, especially since we have insufficient data to make the attempt.

I want to make it clear that I am not equating conservative media (Fox, etc.) which I consider to be open propaganda with more liberal news sources. However, I think it is important that we recognize that everyone has an inherent bias and to take that into account. Moreover, while Fox had proven itself unreliable and willing to fabricate and distort news, that doesn’t mean that everything they say is inherently false, they can certainly exploit and spin actual events that support their own agenda.

Also, both sides have a profit motive to give consumers what they want - which is not generally in-depth examinations of statistical methods and study weaknesses. The networks (presumably acting on viewer interest) seem to devote more “news” attention to sports, celebrity gossip, fashion trends, etc., than in trying to determine and accurately communicate reality. Even “serious” news sources spend more time analyzing polls than they do analyzing the subjects they’re polling about.

As for why “not living in fear” is so important to conservative identity, I don’t think it’s a partisan issue. Nobody wants to live in fear. If you look at Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs, for example (and I have no idea of his political affiliation), personal safety is ranked secondary only to the physiological needs for survival, suggesting that people will prioritize it over more abstract needs like politics. Republicans may fear crime, illegal immigration, and vaccinations, but Democrats may similarly fear police brutality, gun proliferation/school shootings, healthcare costs, and climate change. Personally, my biggest political fear right now is a President who has demonstrated contempt for the Constitution, but I’m fortunate enough that I don’t have to live day to day under imminent threat to my survival.

I think it’s important you consider that just as “the other side” may be wrong in their assumptions about us, we may be wrong (at least in part) in our assumptions about them. It might be even more helpful if instead of thinking in terms of us vs them, we see ourselves as one united country, sharing a common humanity with common emotions and problems. If we recognize that individuals aren’t rigidly tied to party platforms but will each have their own individual complex viewpoints based on their own individual complex reality, we may find common ground and through that common ground find ways to help them understand how those interests may be better served by the party we’ve chosen to align with.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why do they want the world to know that they're tough and brave?

Because they are sissies. They are afraid of cities too for the same reason.

[Anonymous]

The people posting on DCUMs about living in fear of DC crime don’t live in DC.

DC has crime. DC’s crime is not as bad as Trump and Miller claim it is. The solution to DC crime is not Trump sending in the National Guard. Tax payers are paying $2M a day for National Guard troops to pick up trash, which is a waste. Release DC tax revenue and let DC pay their police and pick up garbage.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here is a whole city “living in fear”


A weak mayor, Bass, who is doing nothing about break ins, assaults…

This who community is pleading for help. Thai is a wealthy community. Would you want to live here?

This is the type of situation you never want to be in. But keep electing Democrats and soft o crime judges, and this is what you will get.


https://abc7.com/post/encino-community-mourns-murdered-american-idol-executive-husband-safety-concerns-persist/17503890/

Thanks, will do. It’s far better to accept a little risk in life than to me such an embarrassing and disgusting coward that you’d support fascism.

If on the one hand you are promoting the acceptance of a relatively high quantity of murder and car jackings (violent crime!) as “a little risk to life” and on the other hand you are branding law and order as “fascism”, you are going to lose the debate.

At this point, a material portion of the population is convinced that Democrats/left of center people ARE pro crime and pro illegal immigration and every time Trump tries do do something on those topics, the Dems/left get ensnared in a trap of “we are not pro crime or pro illegal immigration, but we oppose what Trump is doing” and the net effect is that it comes off as pro crime and pro illegal immigration. Good luck.

DP. I just can’t with this stupidity. Nobody said law and order is fascism. We should have logic tests before voting.

I’ll play along. What is the fascism that is risked here? Exactly what is the fascism happening?

DP. Military troops policing cities is fascism

First, according to your fellow ideological travelers, the NG is not actually doing anything. So get your story straight.

Second, no it isn’t fascism. The national guard has been deployed to quell mass and localized civil unrest numerous times. That has included LBJ protecting civil rights protestors, Bush 41 in LA during the King riots and Ike in Little Rock in 1957. So, unless you are prepared to call those incidents of fascism, deployment of the national guard into cities in response to civil unrest is not in and of itself fascism.

You just proved the opposite point. There wasn’t civil unrest in DC.

If you really want to draw the line at car jackings and murders not being worthy of NG deployment because those are not typical civil unrest then that is your prerogative.

But it will be easy to label you pro crime. Especially when combined with all the other facts so pervasive in big city politics that make it really hard to deny the allegation.

Ridiculous. That is crime. It is vastly different than civil unrest. My original comment stands that Americans should pass a logic test to vote.

[Anonymous]

I'm becoming a fan of replacement theory.

Replace all democrats.

[Anonymous]

Critical thinking is not your strong suit. Oh, that’s right, Trump doesn’t want you to analyze and use that tiny brain of yours to comprehend his agenda. The dumber the Better. Get a clue!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do Dems thinks it’s NBD to be victimized by criminals? As if somehow that is the default condition for all of us? We should just expect and accept our victimization and not make such a fuss over it?

Dems don't actually think this. why do you think we do?

Bless your heart. Bless your gaslighting little heart.
DP

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The people posting on DCUMs about living in fear of DC crime don’t live in DC.

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This line always makes me laugh. First of all, you have no idea who lives where - of course DC residents post here about the crime in DC. Maybe not you and your crowd, but there are plenty of us who are happy to have law and order restored to DC, even if you're not.

Secondly, all we have to do is revisit all the old DeSantis threads to see Democrats who *didn't even live in Florida* rant endlessly about DeSantis's policies there. Same with Abbott in Texas. Pretty disingenuous (unsurprising) for you to claim otherwise.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here is a whole city “living in fear”


A weak mayor, Bass, who is doing nothing about break ins, assaults…

This who community is pleading for help. Thai is a wealthy community. Would you want to live here?

This is the type of situation you never want to be in. But keep electing Democrats and soft o crime judges, and this is what you will get.


https://abc7.com/post/encino-community-mourns-murdered-american-idol-executive-husband-safety-concerns-persist/17503890/

Thanks, will do. It’s far better to accept a little risk in life than to me such an embarrassing and disgusting coward that you’d support fascism.

You do not understand the definition of Fascism. Wanting to keep criminals off the streets is not fascist you moron. Maybe you can be the next victim?

+100

[Anonymous]

Republicans don’t understand that the possibility that their daughters could be fatally stabbed in the neck without any provocation is just part of the charm of urban living. It adds a certain element of suspense that you don’t get in places that are safe and well managed.

I agree that they should lighten up. After all Mr Brown had only been arrested 14 times across the past 12 years so this incident was essentially unforeseeable. Who among us has not had a bad day and murdered a stranger in frustration?

Republicans should just be happy and embrace the suck. And they should champion efforts to defund the police for sure.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm becoming a fan of replacement theory.

Replace all democrats.

Yes we already know that you are a traitor to your own people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do Dems thinks it’s NBD to be victimized by criminals? As if somehow that is the default condition for all of us? We should just expect and accept our victimization and not make such a fuss over it?

Dems don't actually think this. why do you think we do?

Bless your heart. Bless your gaslighting little heart.
DP

Typical snarky non answer to a legitimate question. MAGA are just trolls and that’s all they know. They are fearful and weak so they will never have a good faith discussion. Just insults and emojis.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The people posting on DCUMs about living in fear of DC crime don’t live in DC.

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This line always makes me laugh. First of all, you have no idea who lives where - of course DC residents post here about the crime in DC. Maybe not you and your crowd, but there are plenty of us who are happy to have law and order restored to DC, even if you're not.

Secondly, all we have to do is revisit all the old DeSantis threads to see Democrats who *didn't even live in Florida* rant endlessly about DeSantis's policies there. Same with Abbott in Texas. Pretty disingenuous (unsurprising) for you to claim otherwise.

Right but we let Florida govern itself and we never trampled on the citizens. False comparison.