New presentation on program analysis and boundary study up

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:That’s what I thought. And for kids in the IB track at Einstein in theory they are supposed to be able to complete it. Test results aren’t the only markers of results. IB exposure helps with critical thinking in college and beyond. It’s really terrible to take a school with a high FARMS population and limit it intentionally. Sadly it doesn’t surprise me at all.

Your view is that honors classes and on level classes don't help critical thinking? Only IB students get an education with fundamentals? And THAT would be OK for FARMS students?

Why can’t they keep all of them as they are offered right now? The point is they would lose opportunity and choice. Kids shouldn’t lose out in this process.

Because they become spread too thin. Not enough specialized yeah fees to serve all these programs, less of a focus on having strong core courses that need to be offered at all schools.

IB classes are strong core courses.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That’s what I thought. And for kids in the IB track at Einstein in theory they are supposed to be able to complete it. Test results aren’t the only markers of results. IB exposure helps with critical thinking in college and beyond. It’s really terrible to take a school with a high FARMS population and limit it intentionally. Sadly it doesn’t surprise me at all.

Your view is that honors classes and on level classes don't help critical thinking? Only IB students get an education with fundamentals? And THAT would be OK for FARMS students?

Why can’t they keep all of them as they are offered right now? The point is they would lose opportunity and choice. Kids shouldn’t lose out in this process.

Because there is only so many resources and quality does matter. It doesn’t make sense to say offer IB classes at Einstein only in 11th/12th grade, with little to no one completing the diploma, and then at a different school that IB classes are offered with support from freshman year ensuring students are prepared plus a bunch of enriching opportunities and most of the students complete the diploma.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Isn’t Einstein IB locally managed? So they could keep IB and performing arts? We chose Einstein in good faith through the DCC process and it’s so disheartening to try and make sense of all of this when there been zero transparent engagement with DCC families. I how the BoE stands up to this.

The performing arts are minimal at Einstein. They aren't being allocated enough teachers and resources to make it a true performing arts program. BOE doesn't care what families think. They wasted money for all these boundary studies and now are going to spend many millions more to impliment this while they are screaming poverty.

The boundary study has to do with new school opening not programs. The program are being taken into account for capacity and transportation reasons.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That’s what I thought. And for kids in the IB track at Einstein in theory they are supposed to be able to complete it. Test results aren’t the only markers of results. IB exposure helps with critical thinking in college and beyond. It’s really terrible to take a school with a high FARMS population and limit it intentionally. Sadly it doesn’t surprise me at all.

Your view is that honors classes and on level classes don't help critical thinking? Only IB students get an education with fundamentals? And THAT would be OK for FARMS students?

Why can’t they keep all of them as they are offered right now? The point is they would lose opportunity and choice. Kids shouldn’t lose out in this process.

Because there is only so many resources and quality does matter. It doesn’t make sense to say offer IB classes at Einstein only in 11th/12th grade, with little to no one completing the diploma, and then at a different school that IB classes are offered with support from freshman year ensuring students are prepared plus a bunch of enriching opportunities and most of the students complete the diploma.

Where is the data about IB diploma completion per school?

[Anonymous]

MCPS has had so much time to prepare for the rollout of Crown and Woodward, yet there isn’t any communication (really) about what those schools will look like.

Just fighting over who will go there, how it’s not fair that one part of the county is getting new schools (it’s the growth). Now it’s getting mired in the morass of losing the countywide programs and adding regional programs (seemingly without a lot of planning).

Totally lost is any excitement or commitment to excellence for those schools. MCPS is trying to do everything all at once and that is a sure way to fail at everything. You can see it coming.

They really need to focus on the two new schools. Do that successfully. Then move on to programming. People are going to shout, complain, protest no matter what they do so they should just focus on opening the two new schools for the students who attend. That’s the mandate of the school board/mcps, not all this other stuff.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That’s what I thought. And for kids in the IB track at Einstein in theory they are supposed to be able to complete it. Test results aren’t the only markers of results. IB exposure helps with critical thinking in college and beyond. It’s really terrible to take a school with a high FARMS population and limit it intentionally. Sadly it doesn’t surprise me at all.

Your view is that honors classes and on level classes don't help critical thinking? Only IB students get an education with fundamentals? And THAT would be OK for FARMS students?

Why can’t they keep all of them as they are offered right now? The point is they would lose opportunity and choice. Kids shouldn’t lose out in this process.

Because there is only so many resources and quality does matter. It doesn’t make sense to say offer IB classes at Einstein only in 11th/12th grade, with little to no one completing the diploma, and then at a different school that IB classes are offered with support from freshman year ensuring students are prepared plus a bunch of enriching opportunities and most of the students complete the diploma.

Where is the data about IB diploma completion per school?

They don't publish it externally that I have ever seen, probably because the numbers don't look as good at the regional magnets. They publish individual exam scores, but not IBDP pass rate.

Check for each school and by subject.

https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/data/LAR-charts/IB-Exam-by-Subject.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That’s what I thought. And for kids in the IB track at Einstein in theory they are supposed to be able to complete it. Test results aren’t the only markers of results. IB exposure helps with critical thinking in college and beyond. It’s really terrible to take a school with a high FARMS population and limit it intentionally. Sadly it doesn’t surprise me at all.

Your view is that honors classes and on level classes don't help critical thinking? Only IB students get an education with fundamentals? And THAT would be OK for FARMS students?

Why can’t they keep all of them as they are offered right now? The point is they would lose opportunity and choice. Kids shouldn’t lose out in this process.

Because they become spread too thin. Not enough specialized yeah fees to serve all these programs, less of a focus on having strong core courses that need to be offered at all schools.

IB classes are strong core courses.

Not equal to math in ap.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:MCPS has had so much time to prepare for the rollout of Crown and Woodward, yet there isn’t any communication (really) about what those schools will look like.

Just fighting over who will go there, how it’s not fair that one part of the county is getting new schools (it’s the growth). Now it’s getting mired in the morass of losing the countywide programs and adding regional programs (seemingly without a lot of planning).

Totally lost is any excitement or commitment to excellence for those schools. MCPS is trying to do everything all at once and that is a sure way to fail at everything. You can see it coming.

They really need to focus on the two new schools. Do that successfully. Then move on to programming. People are going to shout, complain, protest no matter what they do so they should just focus on opening the two new schools for the students who attend. That’s the mandate of the school board/mcps, not all this other stuff.

This makes the most sense. The new plans will cost a fortune and they already have additional costs for these schools. They can enhance the schools that need it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MCPS has had so much time to prepare for the rollout of Crown and Woodward, yet there isn’t any communication (really) about what those schools will look like.

Just fighting over who will go there, how it’s not fair that one part of the county is getting new schools (it’s the growth). Now it’s getting mired in the morass of losing the countywide programs and adding regional programs (seemingly without a lot of planning).

Totally lost is any excitement or commitment to excellence for those schools. MCPS is trying to do everything all at once and that is a sure way to fail at everything. You can see it coming.

They really need to focus on the two new schools. Do that successfully. Then move on to programming. People are going to shout, complain, protest no matter what they do so they should just focus on opening the two new schools for the students who attend. That’s the mandate of the school board/mcps, not all this other stuff.

This makes the most sense. The new plans will cost a fortune and they already have additional costs for these schools. They can enhance the schools that need it.

Bringing two high schools online is a huge lift for any school district. That needs to be the focus. Phase in regional programs or whatever later. MCPS has enough on its hands with two new schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:MCPS has had so much time to prepare for the rollout of Crown and Woodward, yet there isn’t any communication (really) about what those schools will look like.

Just fighting over who will go there, how it’s not fair that one part of the county is getting new schools (it’s the growth). Now it’s getting mired in the morass of losing the countywide programs and adding regional programs (seemingly without a lot of planning).

Totally lost is any excitement or commitment to excellence for those schools. MCPS is trying to do everything all at once and that is a sure way to fail at everything. You can see it coming.

They really need to focus on the two new schools. Do that successfully. Then move on to programming. People are going to shout, complain, protest no matter what they do so they should just focus on opening the two new schools for the students who attend. That’s the mandate of the school board/mcps, not all this other stuff.

Well said.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That’s what I thought. And for kids in the IB track at Einstein in theory they are supposed to be able to complete it. Test results aren’t the only markers of results. IB exposure helps with critical thinking in college and beyond. It’s really terrible to take a school with a high FARMS population and limit it intentionally. Sadly it doesn’t surprise me at all.

Your view is that honors classes and on level classes don't help critical thinking? Only IB students get an education with fundamentals? And THAT would be OK for FARMS students?

Why can’t they keep all of them as they are offered right now? The point is they would lose opportunity and choice. Kids shouldn’t lose out in this process.

Because they become spread too thin. Not enough specialized yeah fees to serve all these programs, less of a focus on having strong core courses that need to be offered at all schools.

IB classes are strong core courses.

No, they are not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That’s what I thought. And for kids in the IB track at Einstein in theory they are supposed to be able to complete it. Test results aren’t the only markers of results. IB exposure helps with critical thinking in college and beyond. It’s really terrible to take a school with a high FARMS population and limit it intentionally. Sadly it doesn’t surprise me at all.

Your view is that honors classes and on level classes don't help critical thinking? Only IB students get an education with fundamentals? And THAT would be OK for FARMS students?

Why can’t they keep all of them as they are offered right now? The point is they would lose opportunity and choice. Kids shouldn’t lose out in this process.

Because they become spread too thin. Not enough specialized yeah fees to serve all these programs, less of a focus on having strong core courses that need to be offered at all schools.

IB classes are strong core courses.

Not equal to math in ap.

Or science. And include questionable courses like "theory of knowledge"

[Anonymous]

For anyone interested in a cross-comparison for average scores in IB tests from the past 6 years from different IB programs, I made this a while ago:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1gx-MTLg2eLocoS2trhJyX1Lv0wpOL2WD/view?usp=sharing

Quite some local/regional IB programs do not offer higher-level IB english or math courses (lack of enrollment? lack of teacher?), and the average scores tell you their consistent disparity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That’s what I thought. And for kids in the IB track at Einstein in theory they are supposed to be able to complete it. Test results aren’t the only markers of results. IB exposure helps with critical thinking in college and beyond. It’s really terrible to take a school with a high FARMS population and limit it intentionally. Sadly it doesn’t surprise me at all.

Your view is that honors classes and on level classes don't help critical thinking? Only IB students get an education with fundamentals? And THAT would be OK for FARMS students?

Why can’t they keep all of them as they are offered right now? The point is they would lose opportunity and choice. Kids shouldn’t lose out in this process.

Because there is only so many resources and quality does matter. It doesn’t make sense to say offer IB classes at Einstein only in 11th/12th grade, with little to no one completing the diploma, and then at a different school that IB classes are offered with support from freshman year ensuring students are prepared plus a bunch of enriching opportunities and most of the students complete the diploma.

Where is the data about IB diploma completion per school?

I don’t know about every school, but I found out about Einstein’s numbers from their website.

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1SDT3u1PiBkOn36Zlx5Pl0m-ZlcR-NpYLaJwJo41zXCE/edit?usp=drivesdk

Slide 13

[Anonymous]

It was in a parent meeting slideshow linked on the school’s IB page. I’m sure you could look up each school