I am Luis Fernandez - of Woodley suspension (in)famy

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I feel so horribly for the family of the swimmer at the center of this ridiculous fiasco. Have you ever even considered putting yourself in their shoes?

They have a child who is likely struggling with their identity but also wants to swim. I bet they just want the best for their kid and to help their child grow into a confident happy human who spends their time participating in activities that make them happy and grow their confidence at a time when they may be doubting an awful lot about themselves.

And then comes along a self-righteous, bigoted garbage human who feels that it is his right to publicly tear it all down.

You sir, are the worst kind of a$$hole there is.

Then they should have taken that up with the powers that be to make sure it was ok to bend the rules in a sex segregated event where times mattered. It’s not a free for all based on the whims of a kid to decide who they are on a given day.

Who are you to know whether they did?? It was the opposing team. They very well may have had a discussion with that teams coaches, that seems really likely. That is why self righteous egotistical jerks without all the information don’t need to come in, “scan” children’s bodies, make assumptions, and embarrass children in a mini meet that isn’t even a real competition. That is about pride and politics and nothing else. It was cruel and self centered. As others have said intersex is a medical condition. God forbid this child has that. And if gender dysphoria is what they are struggling with they deserve to be treated like a child and not shamed as well. It is not your place.

I am a new poster and like others Luis, I completely and unequivocally disagree with how you approached this. Under NO circumstances was this an appropriate response in front of a child. If you have an issue or a question of policy bring it up with the adults after the event.

Doesn’t sound like they gave an alert to the participants that it was now a mixed gender event. Shouldn’t the participants know what kind of event they are participating in when they thought they signed up for segregated sex?

Weighing the harm to the child you questioned (whether you were right or wrong about their private parts) versus any potential harms to the kids swimming against that child, no. The meet itself was a mixed-gender event both in terms of participants and spectators; if someone was concerned about being seen in a bathing suit by a member of the opposite sex, they wouldn't have been there. People were not desperately in need of your opinion about the sex of one of the swimmers. An alert is for fire, lightning, improper chemical balance in the pool, someone choking, or other emergencies. "I was staring at a child's crotch and think I saw a bulge" is not an emergency.

That’s not how it works. The events and individual heats shouldn’t suddenly be mixed gender because someone decided to change their entry at the last minute. That’s not fair to the other swimmers. Is there a rule that says you can change or sex or age at the last minute?

Why do you assume it was the last minute?
Why is it worse if was at the last minute?
What is the harm to the other children in the race or meet from an event including someone Luis thinks might be a different sex than the other competitors?
What is the harm to the child whose sex was questioned?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Was there even an opposing team? Someone brought up that there was an opposing team, but it sounds like it was just an internal event by this particular pool. Specifically for kids 10 and under.

It was an "invitational" mini meet with kids from various other pools participating. Before Luis showed up, a neighboring pool advertised it as follows:

--Great opportunity for our youngest swimmers to shine!
--Special ribbons for every swimmer in every heat
--Medals for top 3 finishers in each event
--Kickboard event for the youngest swimmers only
--PHOTO BACKDROP for fun pictures
--Concessions available
--Custom 2025 Mini Meet T-shirts – made to order!

This is a fantastic opportunity for our youngest swimmers to shine in a fun, supportive environment. Hope to see you there!

[Anonymous]

Luis, this post has only confirmed for me that you are a creep with a complex. For your wife and children’s sake, I highly suggest you seek out professional counseling before you destroy every aspect of your life. You are on a dangerous course.

And for that poor girl who you humiliated, whoever she is, my heart goes out to her. Whether she is trans or has some other condition that might read like a “bulge” to a pervert with an agenda and a axe to grind. You deserved better, sweetie. You deserve to experience the joy and health benefits of swimming. And you deserved to have more time before grown men started scanning and judging your little body.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I feel so horribly for the family of the swimmer at the center of this ridiculous fiasco. Have you ever even considered putting yourself in their shoes?

They have a child who is likely struggling with their identity but also wants to swim. I bet they just want the best for their kid and to help their child grow into a confident happy human who spends their time participating in activities that make them happy and grow their confidence at a time when they may be doubting an awful lot about themselves.

And then comes along a self-righteous, bigoted garbage human who feels that it is his right to publicly tear it all down.

You sir, are the worst kind of a$$hole there is.

Then they should have taken that up with the powers that be to make sure it was ok to bend the rules in a sex segregated event where times mattered. It’s not a free for all based on the whims of a kid to decide who they are on a given day.

Who are you to know whether they did?? It was the opposing team. They very well may have had a discussion with that teams coaches, that seems really likely. That is why self righteous egotistical jerks without all the information don’t need to come in, “scan” children’s bodies, make assumptions, and embarrass children in a mini meet that isn’t even a real competition. That is about pride and politics and nothing else. It was cruel and self centered. As others have said intersex is a medical condition. God forbid this child has that. And if gender dysphoria is what they are struggling with they deserve to be treated like a child and not shamed as well. It is not your place.

I am a new poster and like others Luis, I completely and unequivocally disagree with how you approached this. Under NO circumstances was this an appropriate response in front of a child. If you have an issue or a question of policy bring it up with the adults after the event.

Doesn’t sound like they gave an alert to the participants that it was now a mixed gender event. Shouldn’t the participants know what kind of event they are participating in when they thought they signed up for segregated sex?

What alert do you think was needed? It hasn’t even been established that the kid was a boy. But neither Luis nor the posters on this forum had kids participating in the 8 and under event in question. Do you think they should have hired a sky writer? Or just made sure to alert the most hateful marshal?

It’s a bait and switch if you thought you had your kid signed up for a certain event and then it changed. It’s fine if you sign your kid up for co-ed sports but not ok to arbitrarily decide the sports are co-ed after the fact if that’s not what you paid for.

If someone went to the league after this meet and asked for a refund because they were pulling their kid, I think the response would have been very different. When you don't get what you signed up for, getting your money back is a reasonable remedy. But if a restaurant is out of my preferred food, and I respond by speaking in a heated tone, using profanity, and writing on the menu posted in the window, I should not feel wronged when I am banned.

Luis and his antics aside, just giving you chicken when you ordered fish is not a suitable substitution without letting you know first. Rules shouldn’t be bent on the fly for Luis or anyone. We all know what the rules are and conduct is one of them. Is everyone being held accountable or just Luis?

There are a variety of reasonable responses if you ordered fish and [think you may have] got chicken. Cursing and writing on a paper that didn't belong to you are not among them. If you did that, the restaurant might reasonably ask you to leave and prohibit you from returning. Even if you were unusually affected by the potential swap (and there is no indication Luis was) there are ways to reduce the chances of it happening again or to be compensated for any harm that it caused you other than, say, chucking your plate on the floor and stalking off to the kitchen to yell at the expediter.

Those are all on the lone diner. What about the restaurant? In this case the swimmer was winning the races, what about the kid who came in 2nd place instead of first and every girl after her? You don’t consider that a harm? Luis is not the only person affected. Every swimmer in those races was.

I consider that having a stranger question a child's sex causes that child greater harm than what is caused to another child who comes in second instead of first in a mini meet.

I am also curious how you'd feel about it if the child Luis questioned came in last in the race? Or 4th out of 8? How good does a kid have to be at swimming before it's ok for a stranger to get publicly bent out of shape about their genitals?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I feel so horribly for the family of the swimmer at the center of this ridiculous fiasco. Have you ever even considered putting yourself in their shoes?

They have a child who is likely struggling with their identity but also wants to swim. I bet they just want the best for their kid and to help their child grow into a confident happy human who spends their time participating in activities that make them happy and grow their confidence at a time when they may be doubting an awful lot about themselves.

And then comes along a self-righteous, bigoted garbage human who feels that it is his right to publicly tear it all down.

You sir, are the worst kind of a$$hole there is.

Then they should have taken that up with the powers that be to make sure it was ok to bend the rules in a sex segregated event where times mattered. It’s not a free for all based on the whims of a kid to decide who they are on a given day.

Who are you to know whether they did?? It was the opposing team. They very well may have had a discussion with that teams coaches, that seems really likely. That is why self righteous egotistical jerks without all the information don’t need to come in, “scan” children’s bodies, make assumptions, and embarrass children in a mini meet that isn’t even a real competition. That is about pride and politics and nothing else. It was cruel and self centered. As others have said intersex is a medical condition. God forbid this child has that. And if gender dysphoria is what they are struggling with they deserve to be treated like a child and not shamed as well. It is not your place.

I am a new poster and like others Luis, I completely and unequivocally disagree with how you approached this. Under NO circumstances was this an appropriate response in front of a child. If you have an issue or a question of policy bring it up with the adults after the event.

Doesn’t sound like they gave an alert to the participants that it was now a mixed gender event. Shouldn’t the participants know what kind of event they are participating in when they thought they signed up for segregated sex?

Weighing the harm to the child you questioned (whether you were right or wrong about their private parts) versus any potential harms to the kids swimming against that child, no. The meet itself was a mixed-gender event both in terms of participants and spectators; if someone was concerned about being seen in a bathing suit by a member of the opposite sex, they wouldn't have been there. People were not desperately in need of your opinion about the sex of one of the swimmers. An alert is for fire, lightning, improper chemical balance in the pool, someone choking, or other emergencies. "I was staring at a child's crotch and think I saw a bulge" is not an emergency.

That’s not how it works. The events and individual heats shouldn’t suddenly be mixed gender because someone decided to change their entry at the last minute. That’s not fair to the other swimmers. Is there a rule that says you can change or sex or age at the last minute?

How is that question relevant? Is there any evidence this kid previously swam as a boy? I find it hard to believe that Luis knows that about this child.

It's also possible Luis observed the same child in June and plotted his revenge for 6 weeks. Swimmers from Woodley and Holmes Run participated in the "infamous" July 13 event as well as a June 7 "B" meet.

[Anonymous]

Ok I’ve posted above that I do not agree with what OP did, but all you people screaming at him that he’s a disgusting pervert and that his gaze was sexual are being totally ridiculous.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I feel so horribly for the family of the swimmer at the center of this ridiculous fiasco. Have you ever even considered putting yourself in their shoes?

They have a child who is likely struggling with their identity but also wants to swim. I bet they just want the best for their kid and to help their child grow into a confident happy human who spends their time participating in activities that make them happy and grow their confidence at a time when they may be doubting an awful lot about themselves.

And then comes along a self-righteous, bigoted garbage human who feels that it is his right to publicly tear it all down.

You sir, are the worst kind of a$$hole there is.

Then they should have taken that up with the powers that be to make sure it was ok to bend the rules in a sex segregated event where times mattered. It’s not a free for all based on the whims of a kid to decide who they are on a given day.

Who are you to know whether they did?? It was the opposing team. They very well may have had a discussion with that teams coaches, that seems really likely. That is why self righteous egotistical jerks without all the information don’t need to come in, “scan” children’s bodies, make assumptions, and embarrass children in a mini meet that isn’t even a real competition. That is about pride and politics and nothing else. It was cruel and self centered. As others have said intersex is a medical condition. God forbid this child has that. And if gender dysphoria is what they are struggling with they deserve to be treated like a child and not shamed as well. It is not your place.

I am a new poster and like others Luis, I completely and unequivocally disagree with how you approached this. Under NO circumstances was this an appropriate response in front of a child. If you have an issue or a question of policy bring it up with the adults after the event.

Doesn’t sound like they gave an alert to the participants that it was now a mixed gender event. Shouldn’t the participants know what kind of event they are participating in when they thought they signed up for segregated sex?

What alert do you think was needed? It hasn’t even been established that the kid was a boy. But neither Luis nor the posters on this forum had kids participating in the 8 and under event in question. Do you think they should have hired a sky writer? Or just made sure to alert the most hateful marshal?

It’s a bait and switch if you thought you had your kid signed up for a certain event and then it changed. It’s fine if you sign your kid up for co-ed sports but not ok to arbitrarily decide the sports are co-ed after the fact if that’s not what you paid for.

If someone went to the league after this meet and asked for a refund because they were pulling their kid, I think the response would have been very different. When you don't get what you signed up for, getting your money back is a reasonable remedy. But if a restaurant is out of my preferred food, and I respond by speaking in a heated tone, using profanity, and writing on the menu posted in the window, I should not feel wronged when I am banned.

Luis and his antics aside, just giving you chicken when you ordered fish is not a suitable substitution without letting you know first. Rules shouldn’t be bent on the fly for Luis or anyone. We all know what the rules are and conduct is one of them. Is everyone being held accountable or just Luis?

There are a variety of reasonable responses if you ordered fish and [think you may have] got chicken. Cursing and writing on a paper that didn't belong to you are not among them. If you did that, the restaurant might reasonably ask you to leave and prohibit you from returning. Even if you were unusually affected by the potential swap (and there is no indication Luis was) there are ways to reduce the chances of it happening again or to be compensated for any harm that it caused you other than, say, chucking your plate on the floor and stalking off to the kitchen to yell at the expediter.

Those are all on the lone diner. What about the restaurant? In this case the swimmer was winning the races, what about the kid who came in 2nd place instead of first and every girl after her? You don’t consider that a harm? Luis is not the only person affected. Every swimmer in those races was.

I consider that having a stranger question a child's sex causes that child greater harm than what is caused to another child who comes in second instead of first in a mini meet.

I am also curious how you'd feel about it if the child Luis questioned came in last in the race? Or 4th out of 8? How good does a kid have to be at swimming before it's ok for a stranger to get publicly bent out of shape about their genitals?

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Luis, this post has only confirmed for me that you are a creep with a complex. For your wife and children’s sake, I highly suggest you seek out professional counseling before you destroy every aspect of your life. You are on a dangerous course.

And for that poor girl who you humiliated, whoever she is, my heart goes out to her. Whether she is trans or has some other condition that might read like a “bulge” to a pervert with an agenda and a axe to grind. You deserved better, sweetie. You deserve to experience the joy and health benefits of swimming. And you deserved to have more time before grown men started scanning and judging your little body.

I can only imagine what his employer thinks of his behavior. Again, your opinion is your opinion. It's how you voiced your opinion in the manner that you did that makes me believe you need some HR training.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ok I’ve posted above that I do not agree with what OP did, but all you people screaming at him that he’s a disgusting pervert and that his gaze was sexual are being totally ridiculous.

It doesn't matter if his gaze was sexual. There is no reason why an adult man should be staring at the crotch of young girls, trying to make out the shape of their genitals. None. Children need to be protected from adults who don't prioritize their safety and privacy. He has clearly shown that those are not his priorities, he'd rather have his 10 minutes fame than protect young girls.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Ok I’ve posted above that I do not agree with what OP did, but all you people screaming at him that he’s a disgusting pervert and that his gaze was sexual are being totally ridiculous.

It doesn't matter if his gaze was sexual. There is no reason why an adult man should be staring at the crotch of young girls, trying to make out the shape of their genitals. None. Children need to be protected from adults who don't prioritize their safety and privacy. He has clearly shown that those are not his priorities, he'd rather have his 10 minutes fame than protect young girls.

+1.

It's creepy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I read your statement. You’re a creep.

+1 harassing kids is not welcome at my pool. You and other creeps, please stay away.

10000%

GTFO OP.

[jsteele]

FYI. This thread has started to attract posters from outside the region who appear to be more interested in debating the topic of trans athletes rather than the specifics of this event. I have started removing their posts because I do not believe that are in line with the topic of the thread (which is Mr. Fernandez behavior).

[Anonymous]

As someone who was there and knows the backstory. The swimmer in question is a girl. She was born a girl. She was identified at birth (and it's so noted on her birth certificate) that she's a girl. There is no trans issue here.[i] Luis Fernandez conjured up an issue out of thin air. You have a grown man deciding that a 7-year old girl did not look enough like a girl, by examining her swim bottoms.

We don't need that from anyone, let alone a grown man.

I suggest that instead of examining swim suit bottoms, and picking fights with 7 year olds and their families, you focus on your own life, show some humility and grace to those you don't know, give others the benefit of the doubt, and move on, and preferably never again at Woodley Pool.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As someone who was there and knows the backstory. The swimmer in question is a girl. She was born a girl. She was identified at birth (and it's so noted on her birth certificate) that she's a girl. There is no trans issue here.[i] Luis Fernandez conjured up an issue out of thin air. You have a grown man deciding that a 7-year old girl did not look enough like a girl, by examining her swim bottoms.

We don't need that from anyone, let alone a grown man.

I suggest that instead of examining swim suit bottoms, and picking fights with 7 year olds and their families, you focus on your own life, show some humility and grace to those you don't know, give others the benefit of the doubt, and move on, and preferably never again at Woodley Pool.

Boom!

Mr Luiz, I can't wait for your apology. That you did not consider this a possibility shows just how crazy you are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As someone who was there and knows the backstory. The swimmer in question is a girl. She was born a girl. She was identified at birth (and it's so noted on her birth certificate) that she's a girl. There is no trans issue here.[i] Luis Fernandez conjured up an issue out of thin air. You have a grown man deciding that a 7-year old girl did not look enough like a girl, by examining her swim bottoms.

We don't need that from anyone, let alone a grown man.

I suggest that instead of examining swim suit bottoms, and picking fights with 7 year olds and their families, you focus on your own life, show some humility and grace to those you don't know, give others the benefit of the doubt, and move on, and preferably never again at Woodley Pool.

Since you were there and witnessed it - do you think he actually thought he saw a “boy”? Or do you think he conjured this up and was came to the meet ready to start this whole thing?