Duke reopened WL today

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Anonymous wrote:As the parent of a kid that really really wanted Duke and didn’t get in, this thread is enraging.

i think 'enraging' is a bit strong but I kind of get the sentiment. In a typical year waitlists and rejections are both rejections. This year, not so much. And yet the kids we know who were waitlisted and those who were rejected were pretty much the same kids, qualification wise.

My own kid applied to about 10 top20 schools with top grades, stats, extracurriculars, yada yada. Was admitted outright to 2, waitlisted at 3 and rejected at 5. He's since been admitted to all the waitlisted schools (insane year) but his top choice was one of the rejections. There is no way he wasn't qualified to go to the rejected school but for whatever reason, he wasn't chosen and as such, his story at that school ended there. But kids from his school with identical or lesser stats who were waitlisted there have since all come off. So there is definitely a sense this year that falling on the right side of the waitlist/rejection divide (which in any other year are both rejections) meant everything.

I get it that this is all a first world problem and life will go on. Just sharing the psychology of it all to a teenager.

I'd like to hear more about your child getting off of 3 waitlists. Must be quite the whiplash. Did your child send LOCI to all three? Did your child switch schools and then switch again? Or just stick with one of the original schools that admitted them?

You’d like? Who are you? No, no tips for you.

I am the PP and parent of two high school kids. I am not looking for tips - I am just thinking that for a parent, it must be exciting to have your child get off of so many waitlists, but also have some mixed feelings since your child has already made a decision and it's a mental shift. Like, maybe if one of these WL schools had admitted your student earlier, maybe they would attended admitted students day and liked that school over the school where they put in a deposit by May 1st.

I'm the poster with a kid who got off the waitlists and this wasn't my reply that you're replying to... it was someone else insinuating they were me. Weird.

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Anonymous wrote:As the parent of a kid that really really wanted Duke and didn’t get in, this thread is enraging.

i think 'enraging' is a bit strong but I kind of get the sentiment. In a typical year waitlists and rejections are both rejections. This year, not so much. And yet the kids we know who were waitlisted and those who were rejected were pretty much the same kids, qualification wise.

My own kid applied to about 10 top20 schools with top grades, stats, extracurriculars, yada yada. Was admitted outright to 2, waitlisted at 3 and rejected at 5. He's since been admitted to all the waitlisted schools (insane year) but his top choice was one of the rejections. There is no way he wasn't qualified to go to the rejected school but for whatever reason, he wasn't chosen and as such, his story at that school ended there. But kids from his school with identical or lesser stats who were waitlisted there have since all come off. So there is definitely a sense this year that falling on the right side of the waitlist/rejection divide (which in any other year are both rejections) meant everything.

I get it that this is all a first world problem and life will go on. Just sharing the psychology of it all to a teenager.

My kid applied to Duke ED and got rejected. No deferrals or waitlists were available for ED - you're either in or out with no recourse. Wonder how many of those students would have ended up on the WL if they applied RD.

100% Duke did not waitlist ANY ED kids. So if you applied ED you either got in or were rejected. I bet it will turn out to be much easier year to have applied RD.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As the parent of a kid that really really wanted Duke and didn’t get in, this thread is enraging.

i think 'enraging' is a bit strong but I kind of get the sentiment. In a typical year waitlists and rejections are both rejections. This year, not so much. And yet the kids we know who were waitlisted and those who were rejected were pretty much the same kids, qualification wise.

My own kid applied to about 10 top20 schools with top grades, stats, extracurriculars, yada yada. Was admitted outright to 2, waitlisted at 3 and rejected at 5. He's since been admitted to all the waitlisted schools (insane year) but his top choice was one of the rejections. There is no way he wasn't qualified to go to the rejected school but for whatever reason, he wasn't chosen and as such, his story at that school ended there. But kids from his school with identical or lesser stats who were waitlisted there have since all come off. So there is definitely a sense this year that falling on the right side of the waitlist/rejection divide (which in any other year are both rejections) meant everything.

I get it that this is all a first world problem and life will go on. Just sharing the psychology of it all to a teenager.

My kid applied to Duke ED and got rejected. No deferrals or waitlists were available for ED - you're either in or out with no recourse. Wonder how many of those students would have ended up on the WL if they applied RD.

100% Duke did not waitlist ANY ED kids. So if you applied ED you either got in or were rejected. I bet it will turn out to be much easier year to have applied RD.

Wait - you're saying Duke made no deferrals from the ED round this year into RD pool? Either accepted or rejected? I thought they commonly deferred ED applicants to RD round.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As the parent of a kid that really really wanted Duke and didn’t get in, this thread is enraging.

i think 'enraging' is a bit strong but I kind of get the sentiment. In a typical year waitlists and rejections are both rejections. This year, not so much. And yet the kids we know who were waitlisted and those who were rejected were pretty much the same kids, qualification wise.

My own kid applied to about 10 top20 schools with top grades, stats, extracurriculars, yada yada. Was admitted outright to 2, waitlisted at 3 and rejected at 5. He's since been admitted to all the waitlisted schools (insane year) but his top choice was one of the rejections. There is no way he wasn't qualified to go to the rejected school but for whatever reason, he wasn't chosen and as such, his story at that school ended there. But kids from his school with identical or lesser stats who were waitlisted there have since all come off. So there is definitely a sense this year that falling on the right side of the waitlist/rejection divide (which in any other year are both rejections) meant everything.

I get it that this is all a first world problem and life will go on. Just sharing the psychology of it all to a teenager.

My kid applied to Duke ED and got rejected. No deferrals or waitlists were available for ED - you're either in or out with no recourse. Wonder how many of those students would have ended up on the WL if they applied RD.

100% Duke did not waitlist ANY ED kids. So if you applied ED you either got in or were rejected. I bet it will turn out to be much easier year to have applied RD.

Wait - you're saying Duke made no deferrals from the ED round this year into RD pool? Either accepted or rejected? I thought they commonly deferred ED applicants to RD round.

I think they deferred but then they didn't waitlist any ED deferrals. All the ED kids had a final decision by RD.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As the parent of a kid that really really wanted Duke and didn’t get in, this thread is enraging.

i think 'enraging' is a bit strong but I kind of get the sentiment. In a typical year waitlists and rejections are both rejections. This year, not so much. And yet the kids we know who were waitlisted and those who were rejected were pretty much the same kids, qualification wise.

My own kid applied to about 10 top20 schools with top grades, stats, extracurriculars, yada yada. Was admitted outright to 2, waitlisted at 3 and rejected at 5. He's since been admitted to all the waitlisted schools (insane year) but his top choice was one of the rejections. There is no way he wasn't qualified to go to the rejected school but for whatever reason, he wasn't chosen and as such, his story at that school ended there. But kids from his school with identical or lesser stats who were waitlisted there have since all come off. So there is definitely a sense this year that falling on the right side of the waitlist/rejection divide (which in any other year are both rejections) meant everything.

I get it that this is all a first world problem and life will go on. Just sharing the psychology of it all to a teenager.

My kid applied to Duke ED and got rejected. No deferrals or waitlists were available for ED - you're either in or out with no recourse. Wonder how many of those students would have ended up on the WL if they applied RD.

100% Duke did not waitlist ANY ED kids. So if you applied ED you either got in or were rejected. I bet it will turn out to be much easier year to have applied RD.

this is a stretch imo. I can only go by our private schools naviance, but ED it a major boost at duke. Not quite like Chicago, but not far behind. Kids getting in off WL from RD would have been layups in ED, imo. If you didnt get in during ED, a WL acceptance is something I would not assume at all

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As the parent of a kid that really really wanted Duke and didn’t get in, this thread is enraging.

i think 'enraging' is a bit strong but I kind of get the sentiment. In a typical year waitlists and rejections are both rejections. This year, not so much. And yet the kids we know who were waitlisted and those who were rejected were pretty much the same kids, qualification wise.

My own kid applied to about 10 top20 schools with top grades, stats, extracurriculars, yada yada. Was admitted outright to 2, waitlisted at 3 and rejected at 5. He's since been admitted to all the waitlisted schools (insane year) but his top choice was one of the rejections. There is no way he wasn't qualified to go to the rejected school but for whatever reason, he wasn't chosen and as such, his story at that school ended there. But kids from his school with identical or lesser stats who were waitlisted there have since all come off. So there is definitely a sense this year that falling on the right side of the waitlist/rejection divide (which in any other year are both rejections) meant everything.

I get it that this is all a first world problem and life will go on. Just sharing the psychology of it all to a teenager.

My kid applied to Duke ED and got rejected. No deferrals or waitlists were available for ED - you're either in or out with no recourse. Wonder how many of those students would have ended up on the WL if they applied RD.

100% Duke did not waitlist ANY ED kids. So if you applied ED you either got in or were rejected. I bet it will turn out to be much easier year to have applied RD.

Wait - you're saying Duke made no deferrals from the ED round this year into RD pool? Either accepted or rejected? I thought they commonly deferred ED applicants to RD round.

This is news to me also. Did they not defer anyone? It seems like deferring some people would be in their best interests, so I don't understand why they would do this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As the parent of a kid that really really wanted Duke and didn’t get in, this thread is enraging.

i think 'enraging' is a bit strong but I kind of get the sentiment. In a typical year waitlists and rejections are both rejections. This year, not so much. And yet the kids we know who were waitlisted and those who were rejected were pretty much the same kids, qualification wise.

My own kid applied to about 10 top20 schools with top grades, stats, extracurriculars, yada yada. Was admitted outright to 2, waitlisted at 3 and rejected at 5. He's since been admitted to all the waitlisted schools (insane year) but his top choice was one of the rejections. There is no way he wasn't qualified to go to the rejected school but for whatever reason, he wasn't chosen and as such, his story at that school ended there. But kids from his school with identical or lesser stats who were waitlisted there have since all come off. So there is definitely a sense this year that falling on the right side of the waitlist/rejection divide (which in any other year are both rejections) meant everything.

I get it that this is all a first world problem and life will go on. Just sharing the psychology of it all to a teenager.

My kid applied to Duke ED and got rejected. No deferrals or waitlists were available for ED - you're either in or out with no recourse. Wonder how many of those students would have ended up on the WL if they applied RD.

100% Duke did not waitlist ANY ED kids. So if you applied ED you either got in or were rejected. I bet it will turn out to be much easier year to have applied RD.

this is a stretch imo. I can only go by our private schools naviance, but ED it a major boost at duke. Not quite like Chicago, but not far behind. Kids getting in off WL from RD would have been layups in ED, imo. If you didnt get in during ED, a WL acceptance is something I would not assume at all

I heard an independent college counselor comment on this. Basically, some people feel that if a kid is deferred in ED, they deserve to get a final answer in RD and that it's not fair to keep the kid waiting on a hope indefinitely. I can kind of see that argument. So, this is not Duke specific - some people just feel that kids who are deferred should not, as a practice, be waitlisted.

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Anonymous wrote:It is called: lack of foreigners….

This.
The shuffle will happen elsewhere too.
Trickle down?

Wait- so more Americans can benefit from american educational institutions?

Fantastic!!!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As the parent of a kid that really really wanted Duke and didn’t get in, this thread is enraging.

i think 'enraging' is a bit strong but I kind of get the sentiment. In a typical year waitlists and rejections are both rejections. This year, not so much. And yet the kids we know who were waitlisted and those who were rejected were pretty much the same kids, qualification wise.

My own kid applied to about 10 top20 schools with top grades, stats, extracurriculars, yada yada. Was admitted outright to 2, waitlisted at 3 and rejected at 5. He's since been admitted to all the waitlisted schools (insane year) but his top choice was one of the rejections. There is no way he wasn't qualified to go to the rejected school but for whatever reason, he wasn't chosen and as such, his story at that school ended there. But kids from his school with identical or lesser stats who were waitlisted there have since all come off. So there is definitely a sense this year that falling on the right side of the waitlist/rejection divide (which in any other year are both rejections) meant everything.

I get it that this is all a first world problem and life will go on. Just sharing the psychology of it all to a teenager.

My kid applied to Duke ED and got rejected. No deferrals or waitlists were available for ED - you're either in or out with no recourse. Wonder how many of those students would have ended up on the WL if they applied RD.

100% Duke did not waitlist ANY ED kids. So if you applied ED you either got in or were rejected. I bet it will turn out to be much easier year to have applied RD.

Wait - you're saying Duke made no deferrals from the ED round this year into RD pool? Either accepted or rejected? I thought they commonly deferred ED applicants to RD round.

This is news to me also. Did they not defer anyone? It seems like deferring some people would be in their best interests, so I don't understand why they would do this.

I think the issue is that deferral from ED is never WL at Duke. Yes, many were deferred. But then they are given an answer in March.This is a big topic in the IEC community right now. Duke's policy isn't unusual and is truthfully the preferred upstanding thing to do (e.g., not drag a student along all summer when they applied on Nov 1).

However - and a big however......a cautionary ED vs. RD tale with Northwestern. Northwestern also doesn't WL a deferred ED either (they give you a straight-up answer in March after a deferral - in or out). Given the vast # of Northwestern WL admits this year (let's see if they disclose on the CDS - but running tally is 215+ in the online IEC communities, which is 4-5x the normal #), the conventional wisdom to ED to Northwestern for the best shot may no longer be accurate in this new environment. We are seeing kids admitted from the Northwestern WL, with much lower stats than the ED pool's deferred rejections, but who were WL following RD. Yes, full pay, and yes, a lot of private school kids.

Just another data point. Ask your school's college counseling office to reach out to Northwestern's admission office. The published material they send out to counselors and the IEC community this year mentioned that waitlist activity was heavier than usual this year (and that was in June).
We will have to wait and see how this shakes out. It's the most unusual admissions cycle since 2020.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As the parent of a kid that really really wanted Duke and didn’t get in, this thread is enraging.

i think 'enraging' is a bit strong but I kind of get the sentiment. In a typical year waitlists and rejections are both rejections. This year, not so much. And yet the kids we know who were waitlisted and those who were rejected were pretty much the same kids, qualification wise.

My own kid applied to about 10 top20 schools with top grades, stats, extracurriculars, yada yada. Was admitted outright to 2, waitlisted at 3 and rejected at 5. He's since been admitted to all the waitlisted schools (insane year) but his top choice was one of the rejections. There is no way he wasn't qualified to go to the rejected school but for whatever reason, he wasn't chosen and as such, his story at that school ended there. But kids from his school with identical or lesser stats who were waitlisted there have since all come off. So there is definitely a sense this year that falling on the right side of the waitlist/rejection divide (which in any other year are both rejections) meant everything.

I get it that this is all a first world problem and life will go on. Just sharing the psychology of it all to a teenager.

My kid applied to Duke ED and got rejected. No deferrals or waitlists were available for ED - you're either in or out with no recourse. Wonder how many of those students would have ended up on the WL if they applied RD.

100% Duke did not waitlist ANY ED kids. So if you applied ED you either got in or were rejected. I bet it will turn out to be much easier year to have applied RD.

This isn’t true. My friend’s so ED to Duke and went into the RD pool. He got in RD.

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*Meant to say that my friend’s son ED to Duke and did not get in ED. He was not rejected ED. He went into the RD pool and got in RD.

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Anonymous wrote:*Meant to say that my friend’s son ED to Duke and did not get in ED. He was not rejected ED. He went into the RD pool and got in RD.

That’s not being waitlisted, that’s being deferred. Understand the difference.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As the parent of a kid that really really wanted Duke and didn’t get in, this thread is enraging.

i think 'enraging' is a bit strong but I kind of get the sentiment. In a typical year waitlists and rejections are both rejections. This year, not so much. And yet the kids we know who were waitlisted and those who were rejected were pretty much the same kids, qualification wise.

My own kid applied to about 10 top20 schools with top grades, stats, extracurriculars, yada yada. Was admitted outright to 2, waitlisted at 3 and rejected at 5. He's since been admitted to all the waitlisted schools (insane year) but his top choice was one of the rejections. There is no way he wasn't qualified to go to the rejected school but for whatever reason, he wasn't chosen and as such, his story at that school ended there. But kids from his school with identical or lesser stats who were waitlisted there have since all come off. So there is definitely a sense this year that falling on the right side of the waitlist/rejection divide (which in any other year are both rejections) meant everything.

I get it that this is all a first world problem and life will go on. Just sharing the psychology of it all to a teenager.

My kid applied to Duke ED and got rejected. No deferrals or waitlists were available for ED - you're either in or out with no recourse. Wonder how many of those students would have ended up on the WL if they applied RD.

100% Duke did not waitlist ANY ED kids. So if you applied ED you either got in or were rejected. I bet it will turn out to be much easier year to have applied RD.

Wait - you're saying Duke made no deferrals from the ED round this year into RD pool? Either accepted or rejected? I thought they commonly deferred ED applicants to RD round.

I think they deferred but then they didn't waitlist any ED deferrals. All the ED kids had a final decision by RD.

Yes. Duke certainly deferred ED they announced that. The no WL of deferred ED was new.

The incoming class will be a bubble year—more tuition helps the financial crisis. They also took double the transfers from usual

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As the parent of a kid that really really wanted Duke and didn’t get in, this thread is enraging.

i think 'enraging' is a bit strong but I kind of get the sentiment. In a typical year waitlists and rejections are both rejections. This year, not so much. And yet the kids we know who were waitlisted and those who were rejected were pretty much the same kids, qualification wise.

My own kid applied to about 10 top20 schools with top grades, stats, extracurriculars, yada yada. Was admitted outright to 2, waitlisted at 3 and rejected at 5. He's since been admitted to all the waitlisted schools (insane year) but his top choice was one of the rejections. There is no way he wasn't qualified to go to the rejected school but for whatever reason, he wasn't chosen and as such, his story at that school ended there. But kids from his school with identical or lesser stats who were waitlisted there have since all come off. So there is definitely a sense this year that falling on the right side of the waitlist/rejection divide (which in any other year are both rejections) meant everything.

I get it that this is all a first world problem and life will go on. Just sharing the psychology of it all to a teenager.

My kid applied to Duke ED and got rejected. No deferrals or waitlists were available for ED - you're either in or out with no recourse. Wonder how many of those students would have ended up on the WL if they applied RD.

100% Duke did not waitlist ANY ED kids. So if you applied ED you either got in or were rejected. I bet it will turn out to be much easier year to have applied RD.

this is a stretch imo. I can only go by our private schools naviance, but ED it a major boost at duke. Not quite like Chicago, but not far behind. Kids getting in off WL from RD would have been layups in ED, imo. If you didnt get in during ED, a WL acceptance is something I would not assume at all

I heard an independent college counselor comment on this. Basically, some people feel that if a kid is deferred in ED, they deserve to get a final answer in RD and that it's not fair to keep the kid waiting on a hope indefinitely. I can kind of see that argument. So, this is not Duke specific - some people just feel that kids who are deferred should not, as a practice, be waitlisted.

Curious if opinions about this will shift if this year’s waitlist insanity becomes the new norm.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:*Meant to say that my friend’s son ED to Duke and did not get in ED. He was not rejected ED. He went into the RD pool and got in RD.

That’s not being waitlisted, that’s being deferred. Understand the difference.

I do understand. The pp said ED kids are accepted or rejected only.

I went back and I think the pp meant the ED kids are either accepted or rejected after being deferred and never wait listed.