Where do unconnected, top academic kids from a feeder private go to college?

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Anonymous wrote:Social divide is just going to grow between hooked kids and unhooked UMC kids. Ivies for hooked kids, and everywhere else for most unhooked kids.

Top SLACs have a higher percentage of hooked kids. So much for that theory.

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Anonymous wrote:Social divide is just going to grow between hooked kids and unhooked UMC kids. Ivies for hooked kids, and everywhere else for most unhooked kids.

Top SLACs have a higher percentage of hooked kids. So much for that theory.

Ivies have plenty of unhooked LMC and MC talented kids, of all races, all socio economic backgrounds, despite what this board would try to make you believe.

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Ok I took our private's published matriculation for the last 8 years (inputted it into paid AI) along with the "private" data on admissions last 3 years (our CCO gives a list of how many were admitted to each school in a cycle - not attending but admitted - only have that outside of Naviance for last 3 years).

AI examined all of the results and gave me some great analysis (also gave me reaches and targets where everyone wasn't applying). You should do the same.

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Chicago.

But also, your kid has just as much a right to the top 25 lottery tickets as any kid, so apply.

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Anonymous wrote:Is she at all interested in SLACs? They would seem likely a good option if she were.

The very top SLACs are almost impossible without a hook. Once they fill sports, legacies, minorities, geographic diversity, etc. there are very few seats left for smart upper middle class white kids with college educated parents from major metro areas on the east coast (assuming that is what you are). It is the law of small numbers.

True. Okay for RD lottery. ED has no advantage.

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Recruited athlete is the biggest hook. They have a separate admissions process, an earlier timeline and often, lower academic standards.

It is a hook, not because the student did not work hard for it and earn it, but because schools value sports above other ECs. Why? Money. Without the collegiate sports industrial complex, an outgrowth of the US sports industry, sports wouldn’t be so heavily valued above all other ECs. It’s that weight schools give the recruited athlete that is unearned. Like being a legacy.

A neighbor’s DC1 was recruited and knew where they were going before their college’s application was even open for other students. Their DC2 isn’t being recruited and the neighbor is just shocked at how different the application process is. So easy for the recruited athlete, they say. So much more complicated if you aren’t one.

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Anonymous wrote:If she attends a school like Sidwell, NCS, STA or GDS and she is truly in the top 10 students in the class and has decent rigor and resume then any school is possible. If she is top 5 at one of these high schools then HYPMS is almost probable if she has half way decent extracurriculars.

These schools differ than public because the kids are really stratified by grading (there is no bunching at the top). There may be one kid with a 3.95 And then 5 with grades above a 3.9. So when you are in those top kids you are highly desirable to elite colleges.

what about a level down, maybe top 20% so 3.75 - 3-9?

3.85-3.95 generally all get top25.

3.75 can get top40. At DC's Big3 school 3.8 is sort of the "line in the sand" for a top30 school. The top30 colleges don't really take the 3.7s regardless of how high their SAT score is, how great the extracurriculars are, etc. (I'm talking unhooked kids here).

3.8uw is the line at our non-DC private too

How many percent got in T25?

50%+

Among the 50% + T25, how many are hooked and below 3.8 uw?

At our private school, the legacy typically are above that gpa. The athletes are borderline. Recently the URM are at the line or above.

So 3.8 is the average gpa.

Rampant grade inflation.

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Anonymous wrote:Recruited athlete is the biggest hook. They have a separate admissions process, an earlier timeline and often, lower academic standards.

It is a hook, not because the student did not work hard for it and earn it, but because schools value sports above other ECs. Why? Money. Without the collegiate sports industrial complex, an outgrowth of the US sports industry, sports wouldn’t be so heavily valued above all other ECs. It’s that weight schools give the recruited athlete that is unearned. Like being a legacy.

A neighbor’s DC1 was recruited and knew where they were going before their college’s application was even open for other students. Their DC2 isn’t being recruited and the neighbor is just shocked at how different the application process is. So easy for the recruited athlete, they say. So much more complicated if you aren’t one.

The problem is that the collegiate sports industrial complex has gotten out of control. At the major power school level all of the NIL has gotten ridiculous. I think it is horrible but I kind of get it as the big sports also generate a ton of money.

What I don't get is how far smaller schools that are generating $0 from sports have shifted to prioritize athlete admits. Coaches at these schools still have a lot of pressure to win to keep their jobs so have succeeded in getting the ears of admissions people and getting priority admissions. The whole early application process for these athletes is crazy. As you noted, I know several NESCAC athletes who had a totally different process. Generally very smart kids who had a decent chance of getting in anyway, but the fact that they knew months ahead of time because they were athletes is crazy. And the amount that these parents are spending on sending their kids to various "showcases" to be seen by these schools is also nuts - not blaming the parents for this as they are just playing the game and trying to do what is best for their kid.

But who on earth truly cares about field hockey at Bates or baseball at Amherst or whatever else? The schools jump through crazy hoops to help these teams then there are 12 people at the games.

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Anonymous wrote:If she attends a school like Sidwell, NCS, STA or GDS and she is truly in the top 10 students in the class and has decent rigor and resume then any school is possible. If she is top 5 at one of these high schools then HYPMS is almost probable if she has half way decent extracurriculars.

These schools differ than public because the kids are really stratified by grading (there is no bunching at the top). There may be one kid with a 3.95 And then 5 with grades above a 3.9. So when you are in those top kids you are highly desirable to elite colleges.

what about a level down, maybe top 20% so 3.75 - 3-9?

3.85-3.95 generally all get top25.

3.75 can get top40. At DC's Big3 school 3.8 is sort of the "line in the sand" for a top30 school. The top30 colleges don't really take the 3.7s regardless of how high their SAT score is, how great the extracurriculars are, etc. (I'm talking unhooked kids here).

3.8uw is the line at our non-DC private too

How many percent got in T25?

50%+

Among the 50% + T25, how many are hooked and below 3.8 uw?

At our private school, the legacy typically are above that gpa. The athletes are borderline. Recently the URM are at the line or above.

So 3.8 is the average gpa.

Rampant grade inflation.

I don't know. We have a lot of kids who get into T25, and 3.75 is kind of the line too. The 3.9+ are HYPSM; 3.8 are the next tier and 3.7+ are the Michigan, Emory, WashU, Georgetown schools.

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Anonymous wrote:If she attends a school like Sidwell, NCS, STA or GDS and she is truly in the top 10 students in the class and has decent rigor and resume then any school is possible. If she is top 5 at one of these high schools then HYPMS is almost probable if she has half way decent extracurriculars.

These schools differ than public because the kids are really stratified by grading (there is no bunching at the top). There may be one kid with a 3.95 And then 5 with grades above a 3.9. So when you are in those top kids you are highly desirable to elite colleges.

what about a level down, maybe top 20% so 3.75 - 3-9?

3.85-3.95 generally all get top25.

3.75 can get top40. At DC's Big3 school 3.8 is sort of the "line in the sand" for a top30 school. The top30 colleges don't really take the 3.7s regardless of how high their SAT score is, how great the extracurriculars are, etc. (I'm talking unhooked kids here).

3.8uw is the line at our non-DC private too

How many percent got in T25?

50%+

Among the 50% + T25, how many are hooked and below 3.8 uw?

At our private school, the legacy typically are above that gpa. The athletes are borderline. Recently the URM are at the line or above.

So 3.8 is the average gpa.

Rampant grade inflation.

I don't know. We have a lot of kids who get into T25, and 3.75 is kind of the line too. The 3.9+ are HYPSM; 3.8 are the next tier and 3.7+ are the Michigan, Emory, WashU, Georgetown schools.

I found this scale here on another post. Its been very accurate for our private HS this year (non-DMV):

There’s a bit of private HS reputational variation but here’s the general overview:
3.9+ = competitive for T10+
3.8+ = competitive for T11-20/25+
3.7+ = competitive for T25/30+

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Anonymous wrote:If she attends a school like Sidwell, NCS, STA or GDS and she is truly in the top 10 students in the class and has decent rigor and resume then any school is possible. If she is top 5 at one of these high schools then HYPMS is almost probable if she has half way decent extracurriculars.

These schools differ than public because the kids are really stratified by grading (there is no bunching at the top). There may be one kid with a 3.95 And then 5 with grades above a 3.9. So when you are in those top kids you are highly desirable to elite colleges.

what about a level down, maybe top 20% so 3.75 - 3-9?

3.85-3.95 generally all get top25.

3.75 can get top40. At DC's Big3 school 3.8 is sort of the "line in the sand" for a top30 school. The top30 colleges don't really take the 3.7s regardless of how high their SAT score is, how great the extracurriculars are, etc. (I'm talking unhooked kids here).

3.8uw is the line at our non-DC private too

How many percent got in T25?

50%+

Among the 50% + T25, how many are hooked and below 3.8 uw?

At our private school, the legacy typically are above that gpa. The athletes are borderline. Recently the URM are at the line or above.

So 3.8 is the average gpa.

Rampant grade inflation.

Sidwell averages at 3.5.
PP's 3.8 average is way too high. Sounds like a school similar to BIM?

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Anonymous wrote:If she attends a school like Sidwell, NCS, STA or GDS and she is truly in the top 10 students in the class and has decent rigor and resume then any school is possible. If she is top 5 at one of these high schools then HYPMS is almost probable if she has half way decent extracurriculars.

These schools differ than public because the kids are really stratified by grading (there is no bunching at the top). There may be one kid with a 3.95 And then 5 with grades above a 3.9. So when you are in those top kids you are highly desirable to elite colleges.

what about a level down, maybe top 20% so 3.75 - 3-9?

3.85-3.95 generally all get top25.

3.75 can get top40. At DC's Big3 school 3.8 is sort of the "line in the sand" for a top30 school. The top30 colleges don't really take the 3.7s regardless of how high their SAT score is, how great the extracurriculars are, etc. (I'm talking unhooked kids here).

3.8uw is the line at our non-DC private too

How many percent got in T25?

50%+

Among the 50% + T25, how many are hooked and below 3.8 uw?

At our private school, the legacy typically are above that gpa. The athletes are borderline. Recently the URM are at the line or above.

So 3.8 is the average gpa.

Rampant grade inflation.

I don't know. We have a lot of kids who get into T25, and 3.75 is kind of the line too. The 3.9+ are HYPSM; 3.8 are the next tier and 3.7+ are the Michigan, Emory, WashU, Georgetown schools.

I found this scale here on another post. Its been very accurate for our private HS this year (non-DMV):

There’s a bit of private HS reputational variation but here’s the general overview:
3.9+ = competitive for T10+
3.8+ = competitive for T11-20/25+
3.7+ = competitive for T25/30+

Yes, this is really spot-on with some exceptions. Michigan and Georgetown will take 3.7s. The rest of the top25s don't go beneath a 3.8 regardless of SAT, extracurriculars, etc---UVA for example only takes very high 3.8s and even rejects most of these.

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Anonymous wrote:“Feeder private”

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This is absolutely a thing. Just not in the DMV.

I know of a private in NY which has an annual scholarship to an Ivy — think about that, they routinely have at least one student go that they can have a niche scholarship

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Anonymous wrote:If she attends a school like Sidwell, NCS, STA or GDS and she is truly in the top 10 students in the class and has decent rigor and resume then any school is possible. If she is top 5 at one of these high schools then HYPMS is almost probable if she has half way decent extracurriculars.

These schools differ than public because the kids are really stratified by grading (there is no bunching at the top). There may be one kid with a 3.95 And then 5 with grades above a 3.9. So when you are in those top kids you are highly desirable to elite colleges.

what about a level down, maybe top 20% so 3.75 - 3-9?

3.85-3.95 generally all get top25.

3.75 can get top40. At DC's Big3 school 3.8 is sort of the "line in the sand" for a top30 school. The top30 colleges don't really take the 3.7s regardless of how high their SAT score is, how great the extracurriculars are, etc. (I'm talking unhooked kids here).

3.8uw is the line at our non-DC private too

How many percent got in T25?

50%+

Among the 50% + T25, how many are hooked and below 3.8 uw?

At our private school, the legacy typically are above that gpa. The athletes are borderline. Recently the URM are at the line or above.

So 3.8 is the average gpa.

Rampant grade inflation.

I don't know. We have a lot of kids who get into T25, and 3.75 is kind of the line too. The 3.9+ are HYPSM; 3.8 are the next tier and 3.7+ are the Michigan, Emory, WashU, Georgetown schools.

I found this scale here on another post. Its been very accurate for our private HS this year (non-DMV):

There’s a bit of private HS reputational variation but here’s the general overview:
3.9+ = competitive for T10+
3.8+ = competitive for T11-20/25+
3.7+ = competitive for T25/30+

Yes, this is really spot-on with some exceptions. Michigan and Georgetown will take 3.7s. The rest of the top25s don't go beneath a 3.8 regardless of SAT, extracurriculars, etc---UVA for example only takes very high 3.8s and even rejects most of these.

+1

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Anonymous wrote:If she attends a school like Sidwell, NCS, STA or GDS and she is truly in the top 10 students in the class and has decent rigor and resume then any school is possible. If she is top 5 at one of these high schools then HYPMS is almost probable if she has half way decent extracurriculars.

These schools differ than public because the kids are really stratified by grading (there is no bunching at the top). There may be one kid with a 3.95 And then 5 with grades above a 3.9. So when you are in those top kids you are highly desirable to elite colleges.

what about a level down, maybe top 20% so 3.75 - 3-9?

3.85-3.95 generally all get top25.

3.75 can get top40. At DC's Big3 school 3.8 is sort of the "line in the sand" for a top30 school. The top30 colleges don't really take the 3.7s regardless of how high their SAT score is, how great the extracurriculars are, etc. (I'm talking unhooked kids here).

3.8uw is the line at our non-DC private too

How many percent got in T25?

50%+

Among the 50% + T25, how many are hooked and below 3.8 uw?

At our private school, the legacy typically are above that gpa. The athletes are borderline. Recently the URM are at the line or above.

So 3.8 is the average gpa.

Rampant grade inflation.

Sidwell averages at 3.5.
PP's 3.8 average is way too high. Sounds like a school similar to BIM?

STA has a higher average. Not sure about BIM, the AP thing?