The Hidden Burden on Middle-Class Families in Public Schools

[Anonymous]

Why are violent kids allowed to stay in public schools?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You are correct OP. Some of the snarky, shaming voices are starting to quiet as the problem is accelerating. All of my friends who were public school teachers have now left within the last 5 years, because of the obvious problems you cite. Unless you are in a high income, segregated neighborhood, public schools are over.

This!

The FARMs rate has been trending up at almost every public school in the DC metro area. It’s becoming increasingly difficult to find a school under 20%. Fairfax county has gone from 10% in 1991 to 30% FARMs today. MOCO went from 13% to 41% in the same time period. Prince William county went from 10% to 43%. Prince George’s county went from 20% to 65%. Loudoun County went from 7%-23%. There is going to be a massive exodus of UMC, families to privates over the next decade because the number of places where school have higher manageable levels of economically deprived students is growing exponentially. Schools teach to the lowest common denominator and kids in your class don’t know how to read by the time they start kindergarten, kids with involved parents that do won’t learn anything for a couple years.

Mass exodus to Frederick and Western Howard County.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You are correct OP. Some of the snarky, shaming voices are starting to quiet as the problem is accelerating. All of my friends who were public school teachers have now left within the last 5 years, because of the obvious problems you cite. Unless you are in a high income, segregated neighborhood, public schools are over.

This!

The FARMs rate has been trending up at almost every public school in the DC metro area. It’s becoming increasingly difficult to find a school under 20%. Fairfax county has gone from 10% in 1991 to 30% FARMs today. MOCO went from 13% to 41% in the same time period. Prince William county went from 10% to 43%. Prince George’s county went from 20% to 65%. Loudoun County went from 7%-23%. There is going to be a massive exodus of UMC, families to privates over the next decade because the number of places where school have higher manageable levels of economically deprived students is growing exponentially. Schools teach to the lowest common denominator and kids in your class don’t know how to read by the time they start kindergarten, kids with involved parents that do won’t learn anything for a couple years.

I kinda doubt most kids of any socioeconomic background can read when they start K. Where did you get that idea from?

I was able to read books in preschool and my spouse was reading when they were 3 years old. It’s absurd to me that a kid that is 5 or 6 is not able to read when they start kindergarten. Only kids that are stupid or have uninvolved parents don’t know how to read by this age.

I cannot believe you know the age at which you AND your spouse could read. Please keep posting these gems, you are hilarious.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You are correct OP. Some of the snarky, shaming voices are starting to quiet as the problem is accelerating. All of my friends who were public school teachers have now left within the last 5 years, because of the obvious problems you cite. Unless you are in a high income, segregated neighborhood, public schools are over.

This!

The FARMs rate has been trending up at almost every public school in the DC metro area. It’s becoming increasingly difficult to find a school under 20%. Fairfax county has gone from 10% in 1991 to 30% FARMs today. MOCO went from 13% to 41% in the same time period. Prince William county went from 10% to 43%. Prince George’s county went from 20% to 65%. Loudoun County went from 7%-23%. There is going to be a massive exodus of UMC, families to privates over the next decade because the number of places where school have higher manageable levels of economically deprived students is growing exponentially. Schools teach to the lowest common denominator and kids in your class don’t know how to read by the time they start kindergarten, kids with involved parents that do won’t learn anything for a couple years.

Mass exodus to Frederick and Western Howard County.

Howard County went from 5% to 25%. Frederick County went from 9% to 30%.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You are correct OP. Some of the snarky, shaming voices are starting to quiet as the problem is accelerating. All of my friends who were public school teachers have now left within the last 5 years, because of the obvious problems you cite. Unless you are in a high income, segregated neighborhood, public schools are over.

This!

The FARMs rate has been trending up at almost every public school in the DC metro area. It’s becoming increasingly difficult to find a school under 20%. Fairfax county has gone from 10% in 1991 to 30% FARMs today. MOCO went from 13% to 41% in the same time period. Prince William county went from 10% to 43%. Prince George’s county went from 20% to 65%. Loudoun County went from 7%-23%. There is going to be a massive exodus of UMC, families to privates over the next decade because the number of places where school have higher manageable levels of economically deprived students is growing exponentially. Schools teach to the lowest common denominator and kids in your class don’t know how to read by the time they start kindergarten, kids with involved parents that do won’t learn anything for a couple years.

I kinda doubt most kids of any socioeconomic background can read when they start K. Where did you get that idea from?

I was able to read books in preschool and my spouse was reading when they were 3 years old. It’s absurd to me that a kid that is 5 or 6 is not able to read when they start kindergarten. Only kids that are stupid or have uninvolved parents don’t know how to read by this age.

I cannot believe you know the age at which you AND your spouse could read. Please keep posting these gems, you are hilarious.

It is true and my kids will be able to read before they turn 4.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm super bummed when people peel off for privates, when I thought their values aligned more with ours in being part of public school and the wider community. Whether they're super wealthy or not. We could afford private (it would be a stretch, but...) trying hard to put my money where my mouth is and keep my kids in public - and invest in public.

+1

We value our public schools and choose to send our kids to our local schools and invest our time in the school community.

We are all better off with good public schools. It’s a shame when people GAF.

My kids are not a charity. I’m not sacrificing their education to help another kid learn reading and math.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm super bummed when people peel off for privates, when I thought their values aligned more with ours in being part of public school and the wider community. Whether they're super wealthy or not. We could afford private (it would be a stretch, but...) trying hard to put my money where my mouth is and keep my kids in public - and invest in public.

+1

We value our public schools and choose to send our kids to our local schools and invest our time in the school community.

We are all better off with good public schools. It’s a shame when people GAF.

My kids are not a charity. I’m not sacrificing their education to help another kid learn reading and math.

I just checked out an expensive private schools’ curriculum. It offers fewer electives and AP classes than our public does. I don’t feel like I’m sacrificing much, but I”m not the one out 60K each year.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s mind boggling to me why education in US is so subpar compared to poorer countries like India or Russia.

American teachers are as a majority very mediocre and are poorly educated themselves.

DC is a selective state public magnet school and they teach to level to get a 3 in AP classes. They had to do a special class in 9th grade on punctuation and in 10th grade on how to use the ruler and protractor. They’re teaching chemistry with open book for every quiz and test. DC barely has homework in high school because the teachers don’t want to grade it. The bar is so low.

You're kidding right? There are no special needs kids or IEPs in Russian or Indian schools, they don't go to school or are institutionalized. Kids are kicked out for misbehavior and dumped from school to school. There is one language and way fewer non native speakers and the society is more homogenous. Russia is passing legislation that kids and parents of Caucasian republic immigrants need to speak Russian to go to school. They funnel boys to the army at 18. In India there are school fees and you pick the school based on what you can afford and it's one of the few ways out of desperate poverty. Those too poor don't go to school at all.

If US education is so good, why is the country full of idiots?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You are correct OP. Some of the snarky, shaming voices are starting to quiet as the problem is accelerating. All of my friends who were public school teachers have now left within the last 5 years, because of the obvious problems you cite. Unless you are in a high income, segregated neighborhood, public schools are over.

This!

The FARMs rate has been trending up at almost every public school in the DC metro area. It’s becoming increasingly difficult to find a school under 20%. Fairfax county has gone from 10% in 1991 to 30% FARMs today. MOCO went from 13% to 41% in the same time period. Prince William county went from 10% to 43%. Prince George’s county went from 20% to 65%. Loudoun County went from 7%-23%. There is going to be a massive exodus of UMC, families to privates over the next decade because the number of places where school have higher manageable levels of economically deprived students is growing exponentially. Schools teach to the lowest common denominator and kids in your class don’t know how to read by the time they start kindergarten, kids with involved parents that do won’t learn anything for a couple years.

I kinda doubt most kids of any socioeconomic background can read when they start K. Where did you get that idea from?

I was able to read books in preschool and my spouse was reading when they were 3 years old. It’s absurd to me that a kid that is 5 or 6 is not able to read when they start kindergarten. Only kids that are stupid or have uninvolved parents don’t know how to read by this age.

I cannot believe you know the age at which you AND your spouse could read. Please keep posting these gems, you are hilarious.

It is true and my kids will be able to read before they turn 4.

Go back under your bridge, troll.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You are correct OP. Some of the snarky, shaming voices are starting to quiet as the problem is accelerating. All of my friends who were public school teachers have now left within the last 5 years, because of the obvious problems you cite. Unless you are in a high income, segregated neighborhood, public schools are over.

This!

The FARMs rate has been trending up at almost every public school in the DC metro area. It’s becoming increasingly difficult to find a school under 20%. Fairfax county has gone from 10% in 1991 to 30% FARMs today. MOCO went from 13% to 41% in the same time period. Prince William county went from 10% to 43%. Prince George’s county went from 20% to 65%. Loudoun County went from 7%-23%. There is going to be a massive exodus of UMC, families to privates over the next decade because the number of places where school have higher manageable levels of economically deprived students is growing exponentially. Schools teach to the lowest common denominator and kids in your class don’t know how to read by the time they start kindergarten, kids with involved parents that do won’t learn anything for a couple years.

I kinda doubt most kids of any socioeconomic background can read when they start K. Where did you get that idea from?

I was able to read books in preschool and my spouse was reading when they were 3 years old. It’s absurd to me that a kid that is 5 or 6 is not able to read when they start kindergarten. Only kids that are stupid or have uninvolved parents don’t know how to read by this age.

I cannot believe you know the age at which you AND your spouse could read. Please keep posting these gems, you are hilarious.

It is true and my kids will be able to read before they turn 4.

You don’t know that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s mind boggling to me why education in US is so subpar compared to poorer countries like India or Russia.

American teachers are as a majority very mediocre and are poorly educated themselves.

DC is a selective state public magnet school and they teach to level to get a 3 in AP classes. They had to do a special class in 9th grade on punctuation and in 10th grade on how to use the ruler and protractor. They’re teaching chemistry with open book for every quiz and test. DC barely has homework in high school because the teachers don’t want to grade it. The bar is so low.

You're kidding right? There are no special needs kids or IEPs in Russian or Indian schools, they don't go to school or are institutionalized. Kids are kicked out for misbehavior and dumped from school to school. There is one language and way fewer non native speakers and the society is more homogenous. Russia is passing legislation that kids and parents of Caucasian republic immigrants need to speak Russian to go to school. They funnel boys to the army at 18. In India there are school fees and you pick the school based on what you can afford and it's one of the few ways out of desperate poverty. Those too poor don't go to school at all.

If US education is so good, why is the country full of idiots?

Republicans keep defunding schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm super bummed when people peel off for privates, when I thought their values aligned more with ours in being part of public school and the wider community. Whether they're super wealthy or not. We could afford private (it would be a stretch, but...) trying hard to put my money where my mouth is and keep my kids in public - and invest in public.

+1

We value our public schools and choose to send our kids to our local schools and invest our time in the school community.

We are all better off with good public schools. It’s a shame when people DGAF.

My kids are not a charity. I’m not sacrificing their education to help another kid learn reading and math.

JFC. Your kids wouldn’t be “sacrificed”.

This is why some schools struggle. Families DGAF about their community.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm super bummed when people peel off for privates, when I thought their values aligned more with ours in being part of public school and the wider community. Whether they're super wealthy or not. We could afford private (it would be a stretch, but...) trying hard to put my money where my mouth is and keep my kids in public - and invest in public.

+1

We value our public schools and choose to send our kids to our local schools and invest our time in the school community.

We are all better off with good public schools. It’s a shame when people DGAF.

My kids are not a charity. I’m not sacrificing their education to help another kid learn reading and math.

JFC. Your kids wouldn’t be “sacrificed”.

This is why some schools struggle. Families DGAF about their community.

You keep wanting to put it on individual families but ultimately it is a collective action problem. Everyone would be better off if they all stayed at the public school but each family individually is better off when they peel off for their preferred option. You can’t really blame them or be surprised.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm super bummed when people peel off for privates, when I thought their values aligned more with ours in being part of public school and the wider community. Whether they're super wealthy or not. We could afford private (it would be a stretch, but...) trying hard to put my money where my mouth is and keep my kids in public - and invest in public.

+1

We value our public schools and choose to send our kids to our local schools and invest our time in the school community.

We are all better off with good public schools. It’s a shame when people DGAF.

My kids are not a charity. I’m not sacrificing their education to help another kid learn reading and math.

JFC. Your kids wouldn’t be “sacrificed”.

This is why some schools struggle. Families DGAF about their community.

It is not my obligation to support “community” schools at the expense of my own children’s education. The school curriculum has been watered down so much over the past 20-30 years. They are allowing unlimited retakes, can’t fail students even if they learn nothing, schools are giving students 50% credit for not submitting assignments, they are removing advanced classes because it’s inequitable. Why would any logical parent waste their time with public schools at this point when their kids will learn almost nothing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You are correct OP. Some of the snarky, shaming voices are starting to quiet as the problem is accelerating. All of my friends who were public school teachers have now left within the last 5 years, because of the obvious problems you cite. Unless you are in a high income, segregated neighborhood, public schools are over.

This!

The FARMs rate has been trending up at almost every public school in the DC metro area. It’s becoming increasingly difficult to find a school under 20%. Fairfax county has gone from 10% in 1991 to 30% FARMs today. MOCO went from 13% to 41% in the same time period. Prince William county went from 10% to 43%. Prince George’s county went from 20% to 65%. Loudoun County went from 7%-23%. There is going to be a massive exodus of UMC, families to privates over the next decade because the number of places where school have higher manageable levels of economically deprived students is growing exponentially. Schools teach to the lowest common denominator and kids in your class don’t know how to read by the time they start kindergarten, kids with involved parents that do won’t learn anything for a couple years.

I kinda doubt most kids of any socioeconomic background can read when they start K. Where did you get that idea from?

I was able to read books in preschool and my spouse was reading when they were 3 years old. It’s absurd to me that a kid that is 5 or 6 is not able to read when they start kindergarten. Only kids that are stupid or have uninvolved parents don’t know how to read by this age.

I mean this is just objectively untrue? I was also reading before kindergarten, but it's not the only sign of intelligence. My own kid wasn't and she was a 98th percentile reader by the beginning of third grade.

Oh, don’t pay attention to that PP. DCUM is filled with resentful people who were hyperlexic children. They were told all their lives they were more special than others because they started reading at three, but as adults aren’t more fabulously rich and accomplished than others who weren’t hyperlexic children. That angers and puzzles them, and they often try to manage that anger by saying ridiculous things on DCUM.