Is there anything they can’t ruin?

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Anonymous wrote:This is why people used to live close in. Now they want to live way outside the beltway and also keep a downtown job. It’s a choice.

I live close in. My assigned office for the fully remote job I was hired into is way out. But please, keep talking.

NP. It was not realistic think a fully remote job was a forever thing. Sorry, it stinks having the change up.
What did we do before?? I paid for before care, after care, an after school nanny once kid aged out of regular aftercare. Brought my kid to the office on snow days where school was closed and work was not (or took an annual leave day those times, saved leave just for those occasions).

For real, why was this not realistic? I am not a Fed and work from where and when I want (though travel a ton). But I don't understand why in the age of distributed teams, videoconferencing, and relatively cost-effective travel it's unrealistic to think jobs could be fully remote.

Plenty of jobs are remote, It is just not realistic to expect any single job to be permanently remote. I’ve been remote most of the last 15 years, but every employer I’ve had has made it clear they can change that at any time.

If the only thing you like about your job is that it is/was remote, I think you should find something you like more!

Your argument is akin to it’s not realistic to expect any job to permanently exist. No shit. Explain why it makes sense to arbitrarily decide that a job that has been done well remotely should suddenly no longer be remote.

Priorities change. I mean, people also get laid off who were doing fine, solely because their role is no longer needed. Arbitrary things happen. On an individual level it does not work to ask it to “make sense” because it just is what it is.

You’re not good at this. Your deflections are obvious. The fact that you literally CANNOT explain the assertion you made upthread is also obvious. (You also don’t understand what “arbitrary” means.)

And no, this is not simply a matter of “it is what it is.” Decisions, arbitrary or otherwise, are being *actively made* to do these things. Mandatory RTO and rigid work schedules are not just some naturally occurring phenomena. “It is what it is” is meant for situations such as a volcano eruption in Iceland causing planes to be grounded causing you to miss your big meeting in Europe.

I am getting so irritated with the absolutely CONFIDENT stupidity of people like you. Your understanding of our society and our government wouldn’t enable you to pass a middle school level civics test. I’m embarrassed for you.

And many of us are so tired of your bottomless whining and toddler complaining that “It’s stooooopid and you’re stupid and so unfair and I HATE VEGETABLES!!!”

This is actually happening. Now. The baby is sliding out of the birth canal and you can’t shove it back up there.

Stop stomping your feet like a child. Quit your job, or don’t, but you need to cope and stfu already

Complaining about work is as American as apple pie. And you know what? Complaining together often leads to better working conditions. The next step is action, not “coping and s-ingtfu.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:FIND
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Not as easy as you think. Jobs are scarce and lots of candidates

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is why people used to live close in. Now they want to live way outside the beltway and also keep a downtown job. It’s a choice.

I live close in. My assigned office for the fully remote job I was hired into is way out. But please, keep talking.

NP. It was not realistic think a fully remote job was a forever thing. Sorry, it stinks having the change up.
What did we do before?? I paid for before care, after care, an after school nanny once kid aged out of regular aftercare. Brought my kid to the office on snow days where school was closed and work was not (or took an annual leave day those times, saved leave just for those occasions).

For real, why was this not realistic? I am not a Fed and work from where and when I want (though travel a ton). But I don't understand why in the age of distributed teams, videoconferencing, and relatively cost-effective travel it's unrealistic to think jobs could be fully remote.

Plenty of jobs are remote, It is just not realistic to expect any single job to be permanently remote. I’ve been remote most of the last 15 years, but every employer I’ve had has made it clear they can change that at any time.

If the only thing you like about your job is that it is/was remote, I think you should find something you like more!

Your argument is akin to it’s not realistic to expect any job to permanently exist. No shit. Explain why it makes sense to arbitrarily decide that a job that has been done well remotely should suddenly no longer be remote.

Priorities change. I mean, people also get laid off who were doing fine, solely because their role is no longer needed. Arbitrary things happen. On an individual level it does not work to ask it to “make sense” because it just is what it is.

You’re not good at this. Your deflections are obvious. The fact that you literally CANNOT explain the assertion you made upthread is also obvious. (You also don’t understand what “arbitrary” means.)

And no, this is not simply a matter of “it is what it is.” Decisions, arbitrary or otherwise, are being *actively made* to do these things. Mandatory RTO and rigid work schedules are not just some naturally occurring phenomena. “It is what it is” is meant for situations such as a volcano eruption in Iceland causing planes to be grounded causing you to miss your big meeting in Europe.

I am getting so irritated with the absolutely CONFIDENT stupidity of people like you. Your understanding of our society and our government wouldn’t enable you to pass a middle school level civics test. I’m embarrassed for you.

And many of us are so tired of your bottomless whining and toddler complaining that “It’s stooooopid and you’re stupid and so unfair and I HATE VEGETABLES!!!”

This is actually happening. Now. The baby is sliding out of the birth canal and you can’t shove it back up there.

Stop stomping your feet like a child. Quit your job, or don’t, but you need to cope and stfu already

I don’t need to do any of this. I will not be (and have not been) sending bullet points. I will not alter the work schedule I have followed for decades. I will certainly not be providing sick notes. I’m an adult. I am an excellent employee and an excellent citizen. These Russian assets and general self-serving idiots to whom you are SO eager to just bow down can go ahead and fire me if they choose - I can’t stop them, but I don’t have to help them or comply with this idiocy.

You are the type of person that Democracy is wasted on. You have absolutely no appreciation for what you have, and therefore you feel no responsibility to preserve it for those who come after you. You’re a sniveling, pathetic coward - the type who would have immediately and eagerly turned over their Jewish neighbors to the Nazis with, I suppose, an admonition to them to “stop whining” and a justification for yourself that “it is what it is.”

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is why people used to live close in. Now they want to live way outside the beltway and also keep a downtown job. It’s a choice.

I live close in. My assigned office for the fully remote job I was hired into is way out. But please, keep talking.

NP. It was not realistic think a fully remote job was a forever thing. Sorry, it stinks having the change up.
What did we do before?? I paid for before care, after care, an after school nanny once kid aged out of regular aftercare. Brought my kid to the office on snow days where school was closed and work was not (or took an annual leave day those times, saved leave just for those occasions).

For real, why was this not realistic? I am not a Fed and work from where and when I want (though travel a ton). But I don't understand why in the age of distributed teams, videoconferencing, and relatively cost-effective travel it's unrealistic to think jobs could be fully remote.

Plenty of jobs are remote, It is just not realistic to expect any single job to be permanently remote. I’ve been remote most of the last 15 years, but every employer I’ve had has made it clear they can change that at any time.

If the only thing you like about your job is that it is/was remote, I think you should find something you like more!

Your argument is akin to it’s not realistic to expect any job to permanently exist. No shit. Explain why it makes sense to arbitrarily decide that a job that has been done well remotely should suddenly no longer be remote.

Priorities change. I mean, people also get laid off who were doing fine, solely because their role is no longer needed. Arbitrary things happen. On an individual level it does not work to ask it to “make sense” because it just is what it is.

You’re not good at this. Your deflections are obvious. The fact that you literally CANNOT explain the assertion you made upthread is also obvious. (You also don’t understand what “arbitrary” means.)

And no, this is not simply a matter of “it is what it is.” Decisions, arbitrary or otherwise, are being *actively made* to do these things. Mandatory RTO and rigid work schedules are not just some naturally occurring phenomena. “It is what it is” is meant for situations such as a volcano eruption in Iceland causing planes to be grounded causing you to miss your big meeting in Europe.

I am getting so irritated with the absolutely CONFIDENT stupidity of people like you. Your understanding of our society and our government wouldn’t enable you to pass a middle school level civics test. I’m embarrassed for you.

And many of us are so tired of your bottomless whining and toddler complaining that “It’s stooooopid and you’re stupid and so unfair and I HATE VEGETABLES!!!”

This is actually happening. Now. The baby is sliding out of the birth canal and you can’t shove it back up there.

Stop stomping your feet like a child. Quit your job, or don’t, but you need to cope and stfu already

This attack on the federal workforce is an attack on America. So why don’t you stfu.

This. Do people not understand why causing major issues at the Department of Homeland Security is very very bad? Might it be bad for, oh, I don't know, homeland security?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Remote job gone and replaced with 3 hours of commuting (and that’s early, avoiding peak traffic) AWS gone, well fine that wasn’t going to work for me with RTO anyway so I had already ditched that. Now they are talking about rigid start and end times, and if they have everyone coming and going at once 9-5 that is going to add at least another hour at each end just getting in and out of the building and garage and having to travel during peak traffic. and I’m going to just have to tell my teens they are on their own now because I am basically unavailable, and their dad is not in a position to help that much either. I might have to move in with my coworker during the week. Giving boarding school a second thought for my youngest. Maybe sleeping in my car? I don’t know. Sell my house, buy an RV and park next to work.

So what’s coming next? Is there anything they can’t/won’t touch? Health insurance? The ability to take a single day of sick leave without medical documentation?

Just get the RIFs over with please.

What’s next is obvious: we will be put on trains to extermination camps! Mark my words; this really is the next step!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Remote job gone and replaced with 3 hours of commuting (and that’s early, avoiding peak traffic) AWS gone, well fine that wasn’t going to work for me with RTO anyway so I had already ditched that. Now they are talking about rigid start and end times, and if they have everyone coming and going at once 9-5 that is going to add at least another hour at each end just getting in and out of the building and garage and having to travel during peak traffic. and I’m going to just have to tell my teens they are on their own now because I am basically unavailable, and their dad is not in a position to help that much either. I might have to move in with my coworker during the week. Giving boarding school a second thought for my youngest. Maybe sleeping in my car? I don’t know. Sell my house, buy an RV and park next to work.

So what’s coming next? Is there anything they can’t/won’t touch? Health insurance? The ability to take a single day of sick leave without medical documentation?

Just get the RIFs over with please.

What’s next is obvious: we will be put on trains to extermination camps! Mark my words; this really is the next step!

troll.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Remote job gone and replaced with 3 hours of commuting (and that’s early, avoiding peak traffic) AWS gone, well fine that wasn’t going to work for me with RTO anyway so I had already ditched that. Now they are talking about rigid start and end times, and if they have everyone coming and going at once 9-5 that is going to add at least another hour at each end just getting in and out of the building and garage and having to travel during peak traffic. and I’m going to just have to tell my teens they are on their own now because I am basically unavailable, and their dad is not in a position to help that much either. I might have to move in with my coworker during the week. Giving boarding school a second thought for my youngest. Maybe sleeping in my car? I don’t know. Sell my house, buy an RV and park next to work.

So what’s coming next? Is there anything they can’t/won’t touch? Health insurance? The ability to take a single day of sick leave without medical documentation?

Just get the RIFs over with please.

What’s next is obvious: we will be put on trains to extermination camps! Mark my words; this really is the next step!

There are in fact, people who have been abducted and sent to a prison in El Salvador without any due process. That prison is effectively a concentration camp.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/the-conditions-inside-the-infamous-el-salvador-prison-where-deported-migrants-are-held

https://www.hrw.org/news/2025/03/20/human-rights-watch-declaration-prison-conditions-el-salvador-jgg-v-trump-case

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Remote job gone and replaced with 3 hours of commuting (and that’s early, avoiding peak traffic) AWS gone, well fine that wasn’t going to work for me with RTO anyway so I had already ditched that. Now they are talking about rigid start and end times, and if they have everyone coming and going at once 9-5 that is going to add at least another hour at each end just getting in and out of the building and garage and having to travel during peak traffic. and I’m going to just have to tell my teens they are on their own now because I am basically unavailable, and their dad is not in a position to help that much either. I might have to move in with my coworker during the week. Giving boarding school a second thought for my youngest. Maybe sleeping in my car? I don’t know. Sell my house, buy an RV and park next to work.

So what’s coming next? Is there anything they can’t/won’t touch? Health insurance? The ability to take a single day of sick leave without medical documentation?

Just get the RIFs over with please.

What’s next is obvious: we will be put on trains to extermination camps! Mark my words; this really is the next step!

There are in fact, people who have been abducted and sent to a prison in El Salvador without any due process. That prison is effectively a concentration camp.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/the-conditions-inside-the-infamous-el-salvador-prison-where-deported-migrants-are-held

https://www.hrw.org/news/2025/03/20/human-rights-watch-declaration-prison-conditions-el-salvador-jgg-v-trump-case

Exactly. Just because it hasn't happened to your demographic doesn't mean it's not happening.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Remote job gone and replaced with 3 hours of commuting (and that’s early, avoiding peak traffic) AWS gone, well fine that wasn’t going to work for me with RTO anyway so I had already ditched that. Now they are talking about rigid start and end times, and if they have everyone coming and going at once 9-5 that is going to add at least another hour at each end just getting in and out of the building and garage and having to travel during peak traffic. and I’m going to just have to tell my teens they are on their own now because I am basically unavailable, and their dad is not in a position to help that much either. I might have to move in with my coworker during the week. Giving boarding school a second thought for my youngest. Maybe sleeping in my car? I don’t know. Sell my house, buy an RV and park next to work.

So what’s coming next? Is there anything they can’t/won’t touch? Health insurance? The ability to take a single day of sick leave without medical documentation?

Just get the RIFs over with please.

What’s next is obvious: we will be put on trains to extermination camps! Mark my words; this really is the next step!

There are in fact, people who have been abducted and sent to a prison in El Salvador without any due process. That prison is effectively a concentration camp.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/the-conditions-inside-the-infamous-el-salvador-prison-where-deported-migrants-are-held

https://www.hrw.org/news/2025/03/20/human-rights-watch-declaration-prison-conditions-el-salvador-jgg-v-trump-case

Exactly. Just because it hasn't happened to your demographic doesn't mean it's not happening.

The PP was proposing that this would happen based on being a federal worker.

So you and other PP (perhaps you are the same) are following the troll playbook of saying something completely over-the-top, pretending to be a lib, so that then the MAGAs and even normies can have evidence that libs (and federal workers) are hysterical and push things too far.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Remote job gone and replaced with 3 hours of commuting (and that’s early, avoiding peak traffic) AWS gone, well fine that wasn’t going to work for me with RTO anyway so I had already ditched that. Now they are talking about rigid start and end times, and if they have everyone coming and going at once 9-5 that is going to add at least another hour at each end just getting in and out of the building and garage and having to travel during peak traffic. and I’m going to just have to tell my teens they are on their own now because I am basically unavailable, and their dad is not in a position to help that much either. I might have to move in with my coworker during the week. Giving boarding school a second thought for my youngest. Maybe sleeping in my car? I don’t know. Sell my house, buy an RV and park next to work.

So what’s coming next? Is there anything they can’t/won’t touch? Health insurance? The ability to take a single day of sick leave without medical documentation?

Just get the RIFs over with please.

What’s next is obvious: we will be put on trains to extermination camps! Mark my words; this really is the next step!

There are in fact, people who have been abducted and sent to a prison in El Salvador without any due process. That prison is effectively a concentration camp.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/the-conditions-inside-the-infamous-el-salvador-prison-where-deported-migrants-are-held

https://www.hrw.org/news/2025/03/20/human-rights-watch-declaration-prison-conditions-el-salvador-jgg-v-trump-case

Exactly. Just because it hasn't happened to your demographic doesn't mean it's not happening.

The PP was proposing that this would happen based on being a federal worker.

So you and other PP (perhaps you are the same) are following the troll playbook of saying something completely over-the-top, pretending to be a lib, so that then the MAGAs and even normies can have evidence that libs (and federal workers) are hysterical and push things too far.

The point is that this administration is doing things none of us could have imagined just a few years ago.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Remote job gone and replaced with 3 hours of commuting (and that’s early, avoiding peak traffic) AWS gone, well fine that wasn’t going to work for me with RTO anyway so I had already ditched that. Now they are talking about rigid start and end times, and if they have everyone coming and going at once 9-5 that is going to add at least another hour at each end just getting in and out of the building and garage and having to travel during peak traffic. and I’m going to just have to tell my teens they are on their own now because I am basically unavailable, and their dad is not in a position to help that much either. I might have to move in with my coworker during the week. Giving boarding school a second thought for my youngest. Maybe sleeping in my car? I don’t know. Sell my house, buy an RV and park next to work.

So what’s coming next? Is there anything they can’t/won’t touch? Health insurance? The ability to take a single day of sick leave without medical documentation?

Just get the RIFs over with please.

What’s next is obvious: we will be put on trains to extermination camps! Mark my words; this really is the next step!

There are in fact, people who have been abducted and sent to a prison in El Salvador without any due process. That prison is effectively a concentration camp.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/the-conditions-inside-the-infamous-el-salvador-prison-where-deported-migrants-are-held

https://www.hrw.org/news/2025/03/20/human-rights-watch-declaration-prison-conditions-el-salvador-jgg-v-trump-case

Exactly. Just because it hasn't happened to your demographic doesn't mean it's not happening.

The PP was proposing that this would happen based on being a federal worker.

So you and other PP (perhaps you are the same) are following the troll playbook of saying something completely over-the-top, pretending to be a lib, so that then the MAGAs and even normies can have evidence that libs (and federal workers) are hysterical and push things too far.

The point is that this administration is doing things none of us could have imagined just a few years ago.

I agree but slow your roll that it means that everything and anything will happen. (I say this while understanding you are likely to call me names for "not paying attention" or something.)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Remote job gone and replaced with 3 hours of commuting (and that’s early, avoiding peak traffic) AWS gone, well fine that wasn’t going to work for me with RTO anyway so I had already ditched that. Now they are talking about rigid start and end times, and if they have everyone coming and going at once 9-5 that is going to add at least another hour at each end just getting in and out of the building and garage and having to travel during peak traffic. and I’m going to just have to tell my teens they are on their own now because I am basically unavailable, and their dad is not in a position to help that much either. I might have to move in with my coworker during the week. Giving boarding school a second thought for my youngest. Maybe sleeping in my car? I don’t know. Sell my house, buy an RV and park next to work.

So what’s coming next? Is there anything they can’t/won’t touch? Health insurance? The ability to take a single day of sick leave without medical documentation?

Just get the RIFs over with please.

What’s next is obvious: we will be put on trains to extermination camps! Mark my words; this really is the next step!

There are in fact, people who have been abducted and sent to a prison in El Salvador without any due process. That prison is effectively a concentration camp.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/the-conditions-inside-the-infamous-el-salvador-prison-where-deported-migrants-are-held

https://www.hrw.org/news/2025/03/20/human-rights-watch-declaration-prison-conditions-el-salvador-jgg-v-trump-case

Exactly. Just because it hasn't happened to your demographic doesn't mean it's not happening.

The PP was proposing that this would happen based on being a federal worker.

So you and other PP (perhaps you are the same) are following the troll playbook of saying something completely over-the-top, pretending to be a lib, so that then the MAGAs and even normies can have evidence that libs (and federal workers) are hysterical and push things too far.

The point is that this administration is doing things none of us could have imagined just a few years ago.

You have to admit that jumping from "having to work 9-5 without flexibility" to "they will send federal workers to concentration camps" is hysterical overreach and trollish suggestion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:FIND
A
New
Job

Hey friend, we’re trying. Not so easy when you’re competing with thousands of others in the exact same position who can’t exactly pick up and move as easily as when we were in our 20s before having kids.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is why people used to live close in. Now they want to live way outside the beltway and also keep a downtown job. It’s a choice.

I live close in. My assigned office for the fully remote job I was hired into is way out. But please, keep talking.

NP. It was not realistic think a fully remote job was a forever thing. Sorry, it stinks having the change up.
What did we do before?? I paid for before care, after care, an after school nanny once kid aged out of regular aftercare. Brought my kid to the office on snow days where school was closed and work was not (or took an annual leave day those times, saved leave just for those occasions).

For real, why was this not realistic? I am not a Fed and work from where and when I want (though travel a ton). But I don't understand why in the age of distributed teams, videoconferencing, and relatively cost-effective travel it's unrealistic to think jobs could be fully remote.

Plenty of jobs are remote, It is just not realistic to expect any single job to be permanently remote. I’ve been remote most of the last 15 years, but every employer I’ve had has made it clear they can change that at any time.

If the only thing you like about your job is that it is/was remote, I think you should find something you like more!

Your argument is akin to it’s not realistic to expect any job to permanently exist. No shit. Explain why it makes sense to arbitrarily decide that a job that has been done well remotely should suddenly no longer be remote.

Priorities change. I mean, people also get laid off who were doing fine, solely because their role is no longer needed. Arbitrary things happen. On an individual level it does not work to ask it to “make sense” because it just is what it is.

You’re not good at this. Your deflections are obvious. The fact that you literally CANNOT explain the assertion you made upthread is also obvious. (You also don’t understand what “arbitrary” means.)

And no, this is not simply a matter of “it is what it is.” Decisions, arbitrary or otherwise, are being *actively made* to do these things. Mandatory RTO and rigid work schedules are not just some naturally occurring phenomena. “It is what it is” is meant for situations such as a volcano eruption in Iceland causing planes to be grounded causing you to miss your big meeting in Europe.

I am getting so irritated with the absolutely CONFIDENT stupidity of people like you. Your understanding of our society and our government wouldn’t enable you to pass a middle school level civics test. I’m embarrassed for you.

And many of us are so tired of your bottomless whining and toddler complaining that “It’s stooooopid and you’re stupid and so unfair and I HATE VEGETABLES!!!”

This is actually happening. Now. The baby is sliding out of the birth canal and you can’t shove it back up there.

Stop stomping your feet like a child. Quit your job, or don’t, but you need to cope and stfu already

I don’t need to do any of this. I will not be (and have not been) sending bullet points. I will not alter the work schedule I have followed for decades. I will certainly not be providing sick notes. I’m an adult. I am an excellent employee and an excellent citizen. These Russian assets and general self-serving idiots to whom you are SO eager to just bow down can go ahead and fire me if they choose - I can’t stop them, but I don’t have to help them or comply with this idiocy.

You are the type of person that Democracy is wasted on. You have absolutely no appreciation for what you have, and therefore you feel no responsibility to preserve it for those who come after you. You’re a sniveling, pathetic coward - the type who would have immediately and eagerly turned over their Jewish neighbors to the Nazis with, I suppose, an admonition to them to “stop whining” and a justification for yourself that “it is what it is.”

Wrongly. I (PP) am a DoD civilian currently and lifelong Dem. I emphatically do not support this president. I am not doing their bidding by posting that grown ass men and women should stop whining. File a lawsuit, protest outside of your agency, lead your union, go the private sector … great! Take action. Act. Lead.

Sniveling endlessly on the internet about commuting is embarrassing AF.

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Anonymous wrote:This is why people used to live close in. Now they want to live way outside the beltway and also keep a downtown job. It’s a choice.

I live close in. My assigned office for the fully remote job I was hired into is way out. But please, keep talking.

NP. It was not realistic think a fully remote job was a forever thing. Sorry, it stinks having the change up.
What did we do before?? I paid for before care, after care, an after school nanny once kid aged out of regular aftercare. Brought my kid to the office on snow days where school was closed and work was not (or took an annual leave day those times, saved leave just for those occasions).

For real, why was this not realistic? I am not a Fed and work from where and when I want (though travel a ton). But I don't understand why in the age of distributed teams, videoconferencing, and relatively cost-effective travel it's unrealistic to think jobs could be fully remote.

Plenty of jobs are remote, It is just not realistic to expect any single job to be permanently remote. I’ve been remote most of the last 15 years, but every employer I’ve had has made it clear they can change that at any time.

If the only thing you like about your job is that it is/was remote, I think you should find something you like more!

Your argument is akin to it’s not realistic to expect any job to permanently exist. No shit. Explain why it makes sense to arbitrarily decide that a job that has been done well remotely should suddenly no longer be remote.

Priorities change. I mean, people also get laid off who were doing fine, solely because their role is no longer needed. Arbitrary things happen. On an individual level it does not work to ask it to “make sense” because it just is what it is.

You’re not good at this. Your deflections are obvious. The fact that you literally CANNOT explain the assertion you made upthread is also obvious. (You also don’t understand what “arbitrary” means.)

And no, this is not simply a matter of “it is what it is.” Decisions, arbitrary or otherwise, are being *actively made* to do these things. Mandatory RTO and rigid work schedules are not just some naturally occurring phenomena. “It is what it is” is meant for situations such as a volcano eruption in Iceland causing planes to be grounded causing you to miss your big meeting in Europe.

I am getting so irritated with the absolutely CONFIDENT stupidity of people like you. Your understanding of our society and our government wouldn’t enable you to pass a middle school level civics test. I’m embarrassed for you.

And many of us are so tired of your bottomless whining and toddler complaining that “It’s stooooopid and you’re stupid and so unfair and I HATE VEGETABLES!!!”

This is actually happening. Now. The baby is sliding out of the birth canal and you can’t shove it back up there.

Stop stomping your feet like a child. Quit your job, or don’t, but you need to cope and stfu already

I don’t need to do any of this. I will not be (and have not been) sending bullet points. I will not alter the work schedule I have followed for decades. I will certainly not be providing sick notes. I’m an adult. I am an excellent employee and an excellent citizen. These Russian assets and general self-serving idiots to whom you are SO eager to just bow down can go ahead and fire me if they choose - I can’t stop them, but I don’t have to help them or comply with this idiocy.

You are the type of person that Democracy is wasted on. You have absolutely no appreciation for what you have, and therefore you feel no responsibility to preserve it for those who come after you. You’re a sniveling, pathetic coward - the type who would have immediately and eagerly turned over their Jewish neighbors to the Nazis with, I suppose, an admonition to them to “stop whining” and a justification for yourself that “it is what it is.”

Wrongly. I (PP) am a DoD civilian currently and lifelong Dem. I emphatically do not support this president. I am not doing their bidding by posting that grown ass men and women should stop whining. File a lawsuit, protest outside of your agency, lead your union, go the private sector … great! Take action. Act. Lead.

Sniveling endlessly on the internet about commuting is embarrassing AF.

You really need to understand this is only very minimally about commuting.