Is there anything they can’t ruin?

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t get it. This was what it was like when I had my kids in the late 2000s.

We all agree that you truly don’t get it, PP.

+1. It was like this when I raised my kids, born in 2002 and 2004. And I ended up feeling like a crappy employee, a crappy spouse and a crappy parent. It wasn’t good for my kids. It wasn’t good for my mental health. If I close my eyes, I can still panic of last minute snow days and kids waking up with fevers in my gut. Moving into a federal 3 telework days a week job with 9:30 to 2:30 core hours (but can take a half hour lunch 11:30-1:30) was a game changer. Just because I did it for ten years doesn’t mean women coming after me should have to. It’s better for employees, kids, and families if a job can allow telework and flex schedule. And it’s true that not all jobs can have telework. But maybe job flexibilities, like job availability and job pay, are something people should consider when accepting a job or choosing a career. And the “I suffered so you should too” attitude is, frankly, gross. How about “I suffered, and I don’t wish that on my own kids and their peers as they enter the workforce”?

I completely agree with you but I also think some people are just pointing out that people like OP are screaming bloody murder after two months of living like many people lived their entire careers. Our country is in a scary place and we are all going to need some resilience to get through a tough time. In my own family, we’ve been affected but we are doing our best to keep our heads up and enjoy life despite being put out by our less flexible schedule. Perhaps the difference is we do not see this as a forever thing, just a time to get through.

Np. I think what many members of the public don’t see is that our fed jobs are taken with lower salary and slightly more flexibility. Most of us have spouses who are doctors, nurses or other jobs who have zero flexibility. My husband has never once been able to telework, which is why I have my current job.

Quit the whining. Nurses have the same level of education/ training and get paid a lot less than many of you and have to work the night shift and deal with people's bodily fluids. Teachers also have degrees (often graduate degrees) and have zero flexibility (as in can't be 5 minutes late so actually show up half an hour before students arrive and find it very difficult to take a day off here and there). The incessant whining of the white collar class about society going to ____ because they suddenly have less flexibility is really tone deaf and unbecoming.

Ah yes, teachers, people who would never predict that their schedules would suddenly change. Who also have months off in summer and a better pension and full job security. Remind me of this when that suddenly changes for them. Until then, it’s not the same situation at all.

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Anonymous wrote:I am so tired of the people talking about what it was like in the late 90s/early 2000s. You could live on one income, you could buy a house inside the beltway for 25% of what it costs now, the list goes on. It's not the same. People had AWS and were teleworking some 20 years ago. It's not the same and stop saying it was.

Hahahaha. You could not live on one income in the 2000s.

+1

And the house my (working) spouse and I bought in 2002 is not worth 4 times what we paid.

These are spoiled brats stomping their feet that they aren'tgetting what they want. Eff them.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t get it. This was what it was like when I had my kids in the late 2000s.

We all agree that you truly don’t get it, PP.

+1. It was like this when I raised my kids, born in 2002 and 2004. And I ended up feeling like a crappy employee, a crappy spouse and a crappy parent. It wasn’t good for my kids. It wasn’t good for my mental health. If I close my eyes, I can still panic of last minute snow days and kids waking up with fevers in my gut. Moving into a federal 3 telework days a week job with 9:30 to 2:30 core hours (but can take a half hour lunch 11:30-1:30) was a game changer. Just because I did it for ten years doesn’t mean women coming after me should have to. It’s better for employees, kids, and families if a job can allow telework and flex schedule. And it’s true that not all jobs can have telework. But maybe job flexibilities, like job availability and job pay, are something people should consider when accepting a job or choosing a career. And the “I suffered so you should too” attitude is, frankly, gross. How about “I suffered, and I don’t wish that on my own kids and their peers as they enter the workforce”?

I completely agree with you but I also think some people are just pointing out that people like OP are screaming bloody murder after two months of living like many people lived their entire careers. Our country is in a scary place and we are all going to need some resilience to get through a tough time. In my own family, we’ve been affected but we are doing our best to keep our heads up and enjoy life despite being put out by our less flexible schedule. Perhaps the difference is we do not see this as a forever thing, just a time to get through.

Np. I think what many members of the public don’t see is that our fed jobs are taken with lower salary and slightly more flexibility. Most of us have spouses who are doctors, nurses or other jobs who have zero flexibility. My husband has never once been able to telework, which is why I have my current job.

Quit the whining. Nurses have the same level of education/ training and get paid a lot less than many of you and have to work the night shift and deal with people's bodily fluids. Teachers also have degrees (often graduate degrees) and have zero flexibility (as in can't be 5 minutes late so actually show up half an hour before students arrive and find it very difficult to take a day off here and there). The incessant whining of the white collar class about society going to ____ because they suddenly have less flexibility is really tone deaf and unbecoming.

12 hours between when I was informed my place of work changed and when I had to report. About four days to shift to a totally new schedule. And it's not nurses and teachers who think this is reasonable, it's maga trolls like you.

You keep repeating this. You had to have seen that changes were coming, though, right? This has been pretty well known since the election. A lot of people started preparing late last year. We changed our before/aftercare schedules and started preparing for the inevitable.

Very few people (if any) are saying these changes are reasonable. Very few people support them. You are projecting and assuming a lot

Stop pretending you have a family or friends or community obligations or that you have ever worked for the US Federal government. It’s extremely obvious that your story is pure fiction.

Adjusting your childcare schedules to match a schedule that you literally *don’t know what it is yet* is non-sensical, to the point where you have outed yourself as nothing more than a MAGA troll (or Russian troll, not much difference at this point).

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t get it. This was what it was like when I had my kids in the late 2000s.

We all agree that you truly don’t get it, PP.

+1. It was like this when I raised my kids, born in 2002 and 2004. And I ended up feeling like a crappy employee, a crappy spouse and a crappy parent. It wasn’t good for my kids. It wasn’t good for my mental health. If I close my eyes, I can still panic of last minute snow days and kids waking up with fevers in my gut. Moving into a federal 3 telework days a week job with 9:30 to 2:30 core hours (but can take a half hour lunch 11:30-1:30) was a game changer. Just because I did it for ten years doesn’t mean women coming after me should have to. It’s better for employees, kids, and families if a job can allow telework and flex schedule. And it’s true that not all jobs can have telework. But maybe job flexibilities, like job availability and job pay, are something people should consider when accepting a job or choosing a career. And the “I suffered so you should too” attitude is, frankly, gross. How about “I suffered, and I don’t wish that on my own kids and their peers as they enter the workforce”?

I completely agree with you but I also think some people are just pointing out that people like OP are screaming bloody murder after two months of living like many people lived their entire careers. Our country is in a scary place and we are all going to need some resilience to get through a tough time. In my own family, we’ve been affected but we are doing our best to keep our heads up and enjoy life despite being put out by our less flexible schedule. Perhaps the difference is we do not see this as a forever thing, just a time to get through.

Np. I think what many members of the public don’t see is that our fed jobs are taken with lower salary and slightly more flexibility. Most of us have spouses who are doctors, nurses or other jobs who have zero flexibility. My husband has never once been able to telework, which is why I have my current job.

Quit the whining. Nurses have the same level of education/ training and get paid a lot less than many of you and have to work the night shift and deal with people's bodily fluids. Teachers also have degrees (often graduate degrees) and have zero flexibility (as in can't be 5 minutes late so actually show up half an hour before students arrive and find it very difficult to take a day off here and there). The incessant whining of the white collar class about society going to ____ because they suddenly have less flexibility is really tone deaf and unbecoming.

No you STFU. Nurses chose a career of shift work that requires physical presence. And they’d be perfectly right to complain if the hospital arbitrarily changed their work schedule. Teachers like wise - and of course they get summers off and long vacations.

By this logic you can say feds chose a career that’s subject to political whims. I would not argue this point but it does go two ways

The Civil Service is not *supposed* to be subject to political whims you mouth-breathing dipshit.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t get it. This was what it was like when I had my kids in the late 2000s.

We all agree that you truly don’t get it, PP.

+1. It was like this when I raised my kids, born in 2002 and 2004. And I ended up feeling like a crappy employee, a crappy spouse and a crappy parent. It wasn’t good for my kids. It wasn’t good for my mental health. If I close my eyes, I can still panic of last minute snow days and kids waking up with fevers in my gut. Moving into a federal 3 telework days a week job with 9:30 to 2:30 core hours (but can take a half hour lunch 11:30-1:30) was a game changer. Just because I did it for ten years doesn’t mean women coming after me should have to. It’s better for employees, kids, and families if a job can allow telework and flex schedule. And it’s true that not all jobs can have telework. But maybe job flexibilities, like job availability and job pay, are something people should consider when accepting a job or choosing a career. And the “I suffered so you should too” attitude is, frankly, gross. How about “I suffered, and I don’t wish that on my own kids and their peers as they enter the workforce”?

I completely agree with you but I also think some people are just pointing out that people like OP are screaming bloody murder after two months of living like many people lived their entire careers. Our country is in a scary place and we are all going to need some resilience to get through a tough time. In my own family, we’ve been affected but we are doing our best to keep our heads up and enjoy life despite being put out by our less flexible schedule. Perhaps the difference is we do not see this as a forever thing, just a time to get through.

the gaslighting is sad. You haven't had this your entire career. You haven't been told sunday night that your new schedule forever after is 10-6p starting Monday. You haven't been through any of this.

Had it every Sunday night for eight years in my old job, I often travel to different cities on short notice.

Also worked OT all the time and vacations canceled last minute a lot.

Big deal that’s why it is called a job.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t get it. This was what it was like when I had my kids in the late 2000s.

We all agree that you truly don’t get it, PP.

+1. It was like this when I raised my kids, born in 2002 and 2004. And I ended up feeling like a crappy employee, a crappy spouse and a crappy parent. It wasn’t good for my kids. It wasn’t good for my mental health. If I close my eyes, I can still panic of last minute snow days and kids waking up with fevers in my gut. Moving into a federal 3 telework days a week job with 9:30 to 2:30 core hours (but can take a half hour lunch 11:30-1:30) was a game changer. Just because I did it for ten years doesn’t mean women coming after me should have to. It’s better for employees, kids, and families if a job can allow telework and flex schedule. And it’s true that not all jobs can have telework. But maybe job flexibilities, like job availability and job pay, are something people should consider when accepting a job or choosing a career. And the “I suffered so you should too” attitude is, frankly, gross. How about “I suffered, and I don’t wish that on my own kids and their peers as they enter the workforce”?

I completely agree with you but I also think some people are just pointing out that people like OP are screaming bloody murder after two months of living like many people lived their entire careers. Our country is in a scary place and we are all going to need some resilience to get through a tough time. In my own family, we’ve been affected but we are doing our best to keep our heads up and enjoy life despite being put out by our less flexible schedule. Perhaps the difference is we do not see this as a forever thing, just a time to get through.

the gaslighting is sad. You haven't had this your entire career. You haven't been told sunday night that your new schedule forever after is 10-6p starting Monday. You haven't been through any of this.

Had it every Sunday night for eight years in my old job, I often travel to different cities on short notice.

Also worked OT all the time and vacations canceled last minute a lot.

Big deal that’s why it is called a job.

STFU Igor.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t get it. This was what it was like when I had my kids in the late 2000s.

We all agree that you truly don’t get it, PP.

+1. It was like this when I raised my kids, born in 2002 and 2004. And I ended up feeling like a crappy employee, a crappy spouse and a crappy parent. It wasn’t good for my kids. It wasn’t good for my mental health. If I close my eyes, I can still panic of last minute snow days and kids waking up with fevers in my gut. Moving into a federal 3 telework days a week job with 9:30 to 2:30 core hours (but can take a half hour lunch 11:30-1:30) was a game changer. Just because I did it for ten years doesn’t mean women coming after me should have to. It’s better for employees, kids, and families if a job can allow telework and flex schedule. And it’s true that not all jobs can have telework. But maybe job flexibilities, like job availability and job pay, are something people should consider when accepting a job or choosing a career. And the “I suffered so you should too” attitude is, frankly, gross. How about “I suffered, and I don’t wish that on my own kids and their peers as they enter the workforce”?

I completely agree with you but I also think some people are just pointing out that people like OP are screaming bloody murder after two months of living like many people lived their entire careers. Our country is in a scary place and we are all going to need some resilience to get through a tough time. In my own family, we’ve been affected but we are doing our best to keep our heads up and enjoy life despite being put out by our less flexible schedule. Perhaps the difference is we do not see this as a forever thing, just a time to get through.

the gaslighting is sad. You haven't had this your entire career. You haven't been told sunday night that your new schedule forever after is 10-6p starting Monday. You haven't been through any of this.

Had it every Sunday night for eight years in my old job, I often travel to different cities on short notice.

Also worked OT all the time and vacations canceled last minute a lot.

Big deal that’s why it is called a job.

Again, the gaslighting is sad if you think this is about JUST the change in schedule. Read the news and get some compassion.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t get it. This was what it was like when I had my kids in the late 2000s.

We all agree that you truly don’t get it, PP.

+1. It was like this when I raised my kids, born in 2002 and 2004. And I ended up feeling like a crappy employee, a crappy spouse and a crappy parent. It wasn’t good for my kids. It wasn’t good for my mental health. If I close my eyes, I can still panic of last minute snow days and kids waking up with fevers in my gut. Moving into a federal 3 telework days a week job with 9:30 to 2:30 core hours (but can take a half hour lunch 11:30-1:30) was a game changer. Just because I did it for ten years doesn’t mean women coming after me should have to. It’s better for employees, kids, and families if a job can allow telework and flex schedule. And it’s true that not all jobs can have telework. But maybe job flexibilities, like job availability and job pay, are something people should consider when accepting a job or choosing a career. And the “I suffered so you should too” attitude is, frankly, gross. How about “I suffered, and I don’t wish that on my own kids and their peers as they enter the workforce”?

I completely agree with you but I also think some people are just pointing out that people like OP are screaming bloody murder after two months of living like many people lived their entire careers. Our country is in a scary place and we are all going to need some resilience to get through a tough time. In my own family, we’ve been affected but we are doing our best to keep our heads up and enjoy life despite being put out by our less flexible schedule. Perhaps the difference is we do not see this as a forever thing, just a time to get through.

Np. I think what many members of the public don’t see is that our fed jobs are taken with lower salary and slightly more flexibility. Most of us have spouses who are doctors, nurses or other jobs who have zero flexibility. My husband has never once been able to telework, which is why I have my current job.

Quit the whining. Nurses have the same level of education/ training and get paid a lot less than many of you and have to work the night shift and deal with people's bodily fluids. Teachers also have degrees (often graduate degrees) and have zero flexibility (as in can't be 5 minutes late so actually show up half an hour before students arrive and find it very difficult to take a day off here and there). The incessant whining of the white collar class about society going to ____ because they suddenly have less flexibility is really tone deaf and unbecoming.

12 hours between when I was informed my place of work changed and when I had to report. About four days to shift to a totally new schedule. And it's not nurses and teachers who think this is reasonable, it's maga trolls like you.

You keep repeating this. You had to have seen that changes were coming, though, right? This has been pretty well known since the election. A lot of people started preparing late last year. We changed our before/aftercare schedules and started preparing for the inevitable.

Very few people (if any) are saying these changes are reasonable. Very few people support them. You are projecting and assuming a lot

No, it’s not fair to say anyone anticipated the totally arbitrary nature of these changes and especially the lack of notice.

Furthermore your need to claim superiority and try to make everyone else shut up is a character defect. I don’t think anyone here is saying they won’t/can’t figure out now to make do. They’re just saying it’s unfair and sh*tty.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t get it. This was what it was like when I had my kids in the late 2000s.

We all agree that you truly don’t get it, PP.

+1. It was like this when I raised my kids, born in 2002 and 2004. And I ended up feeling like a crappy employee, a crappy spouse and a crappy parent. It wasn’t good for my kids. It wasn’t good for my mental health. If I close my eyes, I can still panic of last minute snow days and kids waking up with fevers in my gut. Moving into a federal 3 telework days a week job with 9:30 to 2:30 core hours (but can take a half hour lunch 11:30-1:30) was a game changer. Just because I did it for ten years doesn’t mean women coming after me should have to. It’s better for employees, kids, and families if a job can allow telework and flex schedule. And it’s true that not all jobs can have telework. But maybe job flexibilities, like job availability and job pay, are something people should consider when accepting a job or choosing a career. And the “I suffered so you should too” attitude is, frankly, gross. How about “I suffered, and I don’t wish that on my own kids and their peers as they enter the workforce”?

I completely agree with you but I also think some people are just pointing out that people like OP are screaming bloody murder after two months of living like many people lived their entire careers. Our country is in a scary place and we are all going to need some resilience to get through a tough time. In my own family, we’ve been affected but we are doing our best to keep our heads up and enjoy life despite being put out by our less flexible schedule. Perhaps the difference is we do not see this as a forever thing, just a time to get through.

Np. I think what many members of the public don’t see is that our fed jobs are taken with lower salary and slightly more flexibility. Most of us have spouses who are doctors, nurses or other jobs who have zero flexibility. My husband has never once been able to telework, which is why I have my current job.

Quit the whining. Nurses have the same level of education/ training and get paid a lot less than many of you and have to work the night shift and deal with people's bodily fluids. Teachers also have degrees (often graduate degrees) and have zero flexibility (as in can't be 5 minutes late so actually show up half an hour before students arrive and find it very difficult to take a day off here and there). The incessant whining of the white collar class about society going to ____ because they suddenly have less flexibility is really tone deaf and unbecoming.

No you STFU. Nurses chose a career of shift work that requires physical presence. And they’d be perfectly right to complain if the hospital arbitrarily changed their work schedule. Teachers like wise - and of course they get summers off and long vacations.

By this logic you can say feds chose a career that’s subject to political whims. I would not argue this point but it does go two ways

Well I’m not the one who was using a different group of people to try to prove that nobody can complain about working conditions.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t get it. This was what it was like when I had my kids in the late 2000s.

We all agree that you truly don’t get it, PP.

+1. It was like this when I raised my kids, born in 2002 and 2004. And I ended up feeling like a crappy employee, a crappy spouse and a crappy parent. It wasn’t good for my kids. It wasn’t good for my mental health. If I close my eyes, I can still panic of last minute snow days and kids waking up with fevers in my gut. Moving into a federal 3 telework days a week job with 9:30 to 2:30 core hours (but can take a half hour lunch 11:30-1:30) was a game changer. Just because I did it for ten years doesn’t mean women coming after me should have to. It’s better for employees, kids, and families if a job can allow telework and flex schedule. And it’s true that not all jobs can have telework. But maybe job flexibilities, like job availability and job pay, are something people should consider when accepting a job or choosing a career. And the “I suffered so you should too” attitude is, frankly, gross. How about “I suffered, and I don’t wish that on my own kids and their peers as they enter the workforce”?

I completely agree with you but I also think some people are just pointing out that people like OP are screaming bloody murder after two months of living like many people lived their entire careers. Our country is in a scary place and we are all going to need some resilience to get through a tough time. In my own family, we’ve been affected but we are doing our best to keep our heads up and enjoy life despite being put out by our less flexible schedule. Perhaps the difference is we do not see this as a forever thing, just a time to get through.

the gaslighting is sad. You haven't had this your entire career. You haven't been told sunday night that your new schedule forever after is 10-6p starting Monday. You haven't been through any of this.

Had it every Sunday night for eight years in my old job, I often travel to different cities on short notice.

Also worked OT all the time and vacations canceled last minute a lot.

Big deal that’s why it is called a job.

Again, the gaslighting is sad if you think this is about JUST the change in schedule. Read the news and get some compassion.

Being asked to work a normal 40 hour workweek in the office with no OT and a lunch break is hardly gas lightening,

I had a BS quasi govt job for several years in 1990s. I had tons of free time and a slower pace. I worked 830 am to 5 pm. Zero OT. We literally stopped working 445 pm, packed up got coats,, went bathroom and left 5 pm on dot. Now that is too much, really?

Have you: 1) had thousands of your colleagues illegally fired suddenly and then lied about by their employers for being poor performers? 2) been told by the President that you are lazy, publicly? 3) had a horde of social media sycophants deride you constantly for just earning a living? 4) watched your colleagues be illegally fired for having taken training required by your office? 5) not had a desk to sit down at when you go to the office?

I could go on here, but the context of the RTOs, the sudden schedule changes, the complete lack of flexibility in work hours, and on and on....it adds up.

You haven't had all of this happen to you in your worklife. You want to look at one tiny piece of this narrative and be a jacka$$.

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Anonymous wrote:You mean you might have to move so you live within 2 hours of where you work.

Uprooting your life for a fed job that could easily be RIF’d is insane.

Living two hours from society and relying on remote work—with your useless federal experience and unusual degrees only qualify you for obscure federal positions that have no private-sector demand—is truly insane.

I live inside the beltway and walking distance to a metro, but many of my younger colleagues could not afford my neighborhood and/or have spouses who have job in the suburbs.

Also, saying that someone shouldn’t move their life for a fed job under this administration isn’t exactly crazy. It would similarly be dumb to move for a private sector job with pending layoffs and an antagonistic CEO.

Just because you don’t want to move for fed work doesn’t mean you can’t find a different job and don’t have skills that transfer. But you can also be sad about having to leave a job you enjoyed and had otherwise planned to stay at.

And for those who have no sympathy for feds, you have absolutely zero right to complain if your food and drugs aren’t properly tested, your SS claims take forever to process, transportation safety is deregulated, etc.

No one has to work these fed jobs. We don’t owe the country our labor. If the salary, benefits, and work/life balance isn’t worth it then these positions will not get filled. This is already an issue in certain positions like ATC and agencies that did too many layoffs and are scrambling to get people back. If you vilify certain sectors and the pay is lacking then there will be staffing shortages. Just look at all the schools having a hard time to find teacher and hospitals with nursing shortages. Now you can start adding many fed roles to the list.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t get it. This was what it was like when I had my kids in the late 2000s.

We all agree that you truly don’t get it, PP.

+1. It was like this when I raised my kids, born in 2002 and 2004. And I ended up feeling like a crappy employee, a crappy spouse and a crappy parent. It wasn’t good for my kids. It wasn’t good for my mental health. If I close my eyes, I can still panic of last minute snow days and kids waking up with fevers in my gut. Moving into a federal 3 telework days a week job with 9:30 to 2:30 core hours (but can take a half hour lunch 11:30-1:30) was a game changer. Just because I did it for ten years doesn’t mean women coming after me should have to. It’s better for employees, kids, and families if a job can allow telework and flex schedule. And it’s true that not all jobs can have telework. But maybe job flexibilities, like job availability and job pay, are something people should consider when accepting a job or choosing a career. And the “I suffered so you should too” attitude is, frankly, gross. How about “I suffered, and I don’t wish that on my own kids and their peers as they enter the workforce”?

I completely agree with you but I also think some people are just pointing out that people like OP are screaming bloody murder after two months of living like many people lived their entire careers. Our country is in a scary place and we are all going to need some resilience to get through a tough time. In my own family, we’ve been affected but we are doing our best to keep our heads up and enjoy life despite being put out by our less flexible schedule. Perhaps the difference is we do not see this as a forever thing, just a time to get through.

Np. I think what many members of the public don’t see is that our fed jobs are taken with lower salary and slightly more flexibility. Most of us have spouses who are doctors, nurses or other jobs who have zero flexibility. My husband has never once been able to telework, which is why I have my current job.

Quit the whining. Nurses have the same level of education/ training and get paid a lot less than many of you and have to work the night shift and deal with people's bodily fluids. Teachers also have degrees (often graduate degrees) and have zero flexibility (as in can't be 5 minutes late so actually show up half an hour before students arrive and find it very difficult to take a day off here and there). The incessant whining of the white collar class about society going to ____ because they suddenly have less flexibility is really tone deaf and unbecoming.

No you STFU. Nurses chose a career of shift work that requires physical presence. And they’d be perfectly right to complain if the hospital arbitrarily changed their work schedule. Teachers like wise - and of course they get summers off and long vacations.

By this logic you can say feds chose a career that’s subject to political whims. I would not argue this point but it does go two ways

This is emphatically untrue. The entire reason there is a distinction between political appointees and the rank and file civil service (plus many with union protections) is to specifically avoid what is happening now.

The regular government workforce is explicitly *not* supposed to be subject to political whims. And people choose the lower pay in large part because of the job security. Aside from all the reasons to want to avoid a political government workforce (such as avoiding corruption and lack of continuity in services between administrations), these jobs would have to pay a heck of a lot more if people know they can be tossed out or their working conditions changed every 4 years. How many competent, qualified people are going to want to become specialized in a specific agency’s regulations knowing they could be booted out depending on who gets elected.

Go ahead and make fed jobs insufferable and see what the applicant pool is like.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t get it. This was what it was like when I had my kids in the late 2000s.

We all agree that you truly don’t get it, PP.

+1. It was like this when I raised my kids, born in 2002 and 2004. And I ended up feeling like a crappy employee, a crappy spouse and a crappy parent. It wasn’t good for my kids. It wasn’t good for my mental health. If I close my eyes, I can still panic of last minute snow days and kids waking up with fevers in my gut. Moving into a federal 3 telework days a week job with 9:30 to 2:30 core hours (but can take a half hour lunch 11:30-1:30) was a game changer. Just because I did it for ten years doesn’t mean women coming after me should have to. It’s better for employees, kids, and families if a job can allow telework and flex schedule. And it’s true that not all jobs can have telework. But maybe job flexibilities, like job availability and job pay, are something people should consider when accepting a job or choosing a career. And the “I suffered so you should too” attitude is, frankly, gross. How about “I suffered, and I don’t wish that on my own kids and their peers as they enter the workforce”?

I completely agree with you but I also think some people are just pointing out that people like OP are screaming bloody murder after two months of living like many people lived their entire careers. Our country is in a scary place and we are all going to need some resilience to get through a tough time. In my own family, we’ve been affected but we are doing our best to keep our heads up and enjoy life despite being put out by our less flexible schedule. Perhaps the difference is we do not see this as a forever thing, just a time to get through.

the gaslighting is sad. You haven't had this your entire career. You haven't been told sunday night that your new schedule forever after is 10-6p starting Monday. You haven't been through any of this.

Had it every Sunday night for eight years in my old job, I often travel to different cities on short notice.

Also worked OT all the time and vacations canceled last minute a lot.

Big deal that’s why it is called a job.

Sorry you couldn’t find a job that didn’t treat you like crap.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t get it. This was what it was like when I had my kids in the late 2000s.

We all agree that you truly don’t get it, PP.

+1. It was like this when I raised my kids, born in 2002 and 2004. And I ended up feeling like a crappy employee, a crappy spouse and a crappy parent. It wasn’t good for my kids. It wasn’t good for my mental health. If I close my eyes, I can still panic of last minute snow days and kids waking up with fevers in my gut. Moving into a federal 3 telework days a week job with 9:30 to 2:30 core hours (but can take a half hour lunch 11:30-1:30) was a game changer. Just because I did it for ten years doesn’t mean women coming after me should have to. It’s better for employees, kids, and families if a job can allow telework and flex schedule. And it’s true that not all jobs can have telework. But maybe job flexibilities, like job availability and job pay, are something people should consider when accepting a job or choosing a career. And the “I suffered so you should too” attitude is, frankly, gross. How about “I suffered, and I don’t wish that on my own kids and their peers as they enter the workforce”?

I completely agree with you but I also think some people are just pointing out that people like OP are screaming bloody murder after two months of living like many people lived their entire careers. Our country is in a scary place and we are all going to need some resilience to get through a tough time. In my own family, we’ve been affected but we are doing our best to keep our heads up and enjoy life despite being put out by our less flexible schedule. Perhaps the difference is we do not see this as a forever thing, just a time to get through.

Np. I think what many members of the public don’t see is that our fed jobs are taken with lower salary and slightly more flexibility. Most of us have spouses who are doctors, nurses or other jobs who have zero flexibility. My husband has never once been able to telework, which is why I have my current job.

Quit the whining. Nurses have the same level of education/ training and get paid a lot less than many of you and have to work the night shift and deal with people's bodily fluids. Teachers also have degrees (often graduate degrees) and have zero flexibility (as in can't be 5 minutes late so actually show up half an hour before students arrive and find it very difficult to take a day off here and there). The incessant whining of the white collar class about society going to ____ because they suddenly have less flexibility is really tone deaf and unbecoming.

Ah yes, teachers, people who would never predict that their schedules would suddenly change. Who also have months off in summer and a better pension and full job security. Remind me of this when that suddenly changes for them. Until then, it’s not the same situation at all.

I’m a teacher and my schedule has been changed. Start times / end times were altered, throwing my childcare plans into chaos.

And can we stop with the summer argument? We aren’t paid. And you say “long vacations,” too. I don’t make enough money to do anything except stay home. I suspect you make far more than me and for fewer hours.

And the pension? It’s nowhere near how good it used to be.

So as you sit here and try to say how everybody else has it so much better than you, make sure your argument is actually a good one.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t get it. This was what it was like when I had my kids in the late 2000s.

We all agree that you truly don’t get it, PP.

+1. It was like this when I raised my kids, born in 2002 and 2004. And I ended up feeling like a crappy employee, a crappy spouse and a crappy parent. It wasn’t good for my kids. It wasn’t good for my mental health. If I close my eyes, I can still panic of last minute snow days and kids waking up with fevers in my gut. Moving into a federal 3 telework days a week job with 9:30 to 2:30 core hours (but can take a half hour lunch 11:30-1:30) was a game changer. Just because I did it for ten years doesn’t mean women coming after me should have to. It’s better for employees, kids, and families if a job can allow telework and flex schedule. And it’s true that not all jobs can have telework. But maybe job flexibilities, like job availability and job pay, are something people should consider when accepting a job or choosing a career. And the “I suffered so you should too” attitude is, frankly, gross. How about “I suffered, and I don’t wish that on my own kids and their peers as they enter the workforce”?

I completely agree with you but I also think some people are just pointing out that people like OP are screaming bloody murder after two months of living like many people lived their entire careers. Our country is in a scary place and we are all going to need some resilience to get through a tough time. In my own family, we’ve been affected but we are doing our best to keep our heads up and enjoy life despite being put out by our less flexible schedule. Perhaps the difference is we do not see this as a forever thing, just a time to get through.

Np. I think what many members of the public don’t see is that our fed jobs are taken with lower salary and slightly more flexibility. Most of us have spouses who are doctors, nurses or other jobs who have zero flexibility. My husband has never once been able to telework, which is why I have my current job.

Quit the whining. Nurses have the same level of education/ training and get paid a lot less than many of you and have to work the night shift and deal with people's bodily fluids. Teachers also have degrees (often graduate degrees) and have zero flexibility (as in can't be 5 minutes late so actually show up half an hour before students arrive and find it very difficult to take a day off here and there). The incessant whining of the white collar class about society going to ____ because they suddenly have less flexibility is really tone deaf and unbecoming.

Ah yes, teachers, people who would never predict that their schedules would suddenly change. Who also have months off in summer and a better pension and full job security. Remind me of this when that suddenly changes for them. Until then, it’s not the same situation at all.

I’m a teacher and my schedule has been changed. Start times / end times were altered, throwing my childcare plans into chaos.

And can we stop with the summer argument? We aren’t paid. And you say “long vacations,” too. I don’t make enough money to do anything except stay home. I suspect you make far more than me and for fewer hours.

And the pension? It’s nowhere near how good it used to be.

So as you sit here and try to say how everybody else has it so much better than you, make sure your argument is actually a good one.

No fed tried to argue that. some PPs tried to argued that feds cannot complain because some other professions have fixed hours.