Question on High Tuition…

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Anonymous wrote:It’s a private school. They can charge whatever they want. Only the people who can’t afford it are complaining about the cost.

Not complaining at all. The US legal system allows consumers to contest abusive practices by corporations. Nothing outrageous about that. Just curious if there was something similar in DC. In Arizona has being proposed. Nothing crazy.

Looking to Arizona for DC private school policy is apples to oranges. The reason why a bill has been proposed in AZ to limit tuition increases in private schools is because AZ has a fairly rare voucher system (they call it ESA) that gives thousands of dollars to families who request it to pay for private school.

The problem is that once lawmakers in AZ dropped limits for the vouchers and allowed anyone to get the funds, including people who were already paying for private school without the ESA voucher funds, some private schools raised tuition by more than usual.

This isn’t a case of AZ state legislators having a soft spot for private school parents and looking to cap tuition costs because it’s just too expensive. It’s because, in AZ, some schools said “oh, families are now getting $8,000 on average from the state to pay for tuition. Well, they could afford the price before they got these funds so let’s raise tuition by $8,000”.

That was good policy. Wonder why tuition is growing higher than the wages of most parents. Hopefully such a regulation could help.

Supply and demand, maybe?

Corruption maybe ?

You can’t just toss out corruption because it sounds cool. How exactly does corruption lead to an increase to tuition? Don’t parents willingly pay tuition amounts, which are determined and publicized before families sign contracts for each school year?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Clearly the equilibrium would be achieved when the tuition is such that there are no people in a waiting list. That’s not the case now. But the equilibrium of supply and demand would need to deliver a much higher tuition.

Now there are goods that typically are regulated like water electricity or gas. Nothing strange at all.

Yes - utilities that are essential for life are indeed regulated. Are you saying private school is essential for life and therefore should have its price regulated?

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Anonymous wrote:There are some private schools that I would put them at the same level as Trump university in terms of quality and transparency.

And in a free market, customers are welcome to continue to pay for these schools.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s a private school. They can charge whatever they want. Only the people who can’t afford it are complaining about the cost.

Not complaining at all. The US legal system allows consumers to contest abusive practices by corporations. Nothing outrageous about that. Just curious if there was something similar in DC. In Arizona has being proposed. Nothing crazy.

Looking to Arizona for DC private school policy is apples to oranges. The reason why a bill has been proposed in AZ to limit tuition increases in private schools is because AZ has a fairly rare voucher system (they call it ESA) that gives thousands of dollars to families who request it to pay for private school.

The problem is that once lawmakers in AZ dropped limits for the vouchers and allowed anyone to get the funds, including people who were already paying for private school without the ESA voucher funds, some private schools raised tuition by more than usual.

This isn’t a case of AZ state legislators having a soft spot for private school parents and looking to cap tuition costs because it’s just too expensive. It’s because, in AZ, some schools said “oh, families are now getting $8,000 on average from the state to pay for tuition. Well, they could afford the price before they got these funds so let’s raise tuition by $8,000”.

That was good policy. Wonder why tuition is growing higher than the wages of most parents. Hopefully such a regulation could help.

Supply and demand, maybe?

Corruption maybe ?

You can’t just toss out corruption because it sounds cool. How exactly does corruption lead to an increase to tuition? Don’t parents willingly pay tuition amounts, which are determined and publicized before families sign contracts for each school year?

Ok. Let me put in a way that you understand. There is conflict interest in many boards at the time they look at the finances. In my kids schools In many cases the budgets prioritize spending that the boards considers cool or that they would improve their reputation instead of focusing on the quality of education. Not outright corruption, but a wasteful use of money.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are some private schools that I would put them at the same level as Trump university in terms of quality and transparency.

And in a free market, customers are welcome to continue to pay for these schools.

Unless there is fraud and deceptive practices in which case the consumer can be protected by consumer protection agencies. Nothing strange in most democracies.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Clearly the equilibrium would be achieved when the tuition is such that there are no people in a waiting list. That’s not the case now. But the equilibrium of supply and demand would need to deliver a much higher tuition.

Now there are goods that typically are regulated like water electricity or gas. Nothing strange at all.

Yes - utilities that are essential for life are indeed regulated. Are you saying private school is essential for life and therefore should have its price regulated?

Following your logic, electricity prices should be market determined and those who cannot pay can switch to candles. People have other options.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s a private school. They can charge whatever they want. Only the people who can’t afford it are complaining about the cost.

Not complaining at all. The US legal system allows consumers to contest abusive practices by corporations. Nothing outrageous about that. Just curious if there was something similar in DC. In Arizona has being proposed. Nothing crazy.

Looking to Arizona for DC private school policy is apples to oranges. The reason why a bill has been proposed in AZ to limit tuition increases in private schools is because AZ has a fairly rare voucher system (they call it ESA) that gives thousands of dollars to families who request it to pay for private school.

The problem is that once lawmakers in AZ dropped limits for the vouchers and allowed anyone to get the funds, including people who were already paying for private school without the ESA voucher funds, some private schools raised tuition by more than usual.

This isn’t a case of AZ state legislators having a soft spot for private school parents and looking to cap tuition costs because it’s just too expensive. It’s because, in AZ, some schools said “oh, families are now getting $8,000 on average from the state to pay for tuition. Well, they could afford the price before they got these funds so let’s raise tuition by $8,000”.

That was good policy. Wonder why tuition is growing higher than the wages of most parents. Hopefully such a regulation could help.

Supply and demand, maybe?

Corruption maybe ?

You can’t just toss out corruption because it sounds cool. How exactly does corruption lead to an increase to tuition? Don’t parents willingly pay tuition amounts, which are determined and publicized before families sign contracts for each school year?

Ok. Let me put in a way that you understand. There is conflict interest in many boards at the time they look at the finances. In my kids schools In many cases the budgets prioritize spending that the boards considers cool or that they would improve their reputation instead of focusing on the quality of education. Not outright corruption, but a wasteful use of money.

Ok thanks for confirming your prior post that corruption is leading to increased tuition is wrong. And thanks for your opinion on what’s “wasteful” spending vs. what’s valuable to the school community. But to put it in terms you understand, a budget established by a board that you disagree with is not corruption.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Clearly the equilibrium would be achieved when the tuition is such that there are no people in a waiting list. That’s not the case now. But the equilibrium of supply and demand would need to deliver a much higher tuition.

Now there are goods that typically are regulated like water electricity or gas. Nothing strange at all.

Yes - utilities that are essential for life are indeed regulated. Are you saying private school is essential for life and therefore should have its price regulated?

Following your logic, electricity prices should be market determined and those who cannot pay can switch to candles. People have other options.

They actually generally do not have other options. Most utilities are monopolies. So no, that is not following my logic at all and only proves my point further.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Clearly the equilibrium would be achieved when the tuition is such that there are no people in a waiting list. That’s not the case now. But the equilibrium of supply and demand would need to deliver a much higher tuition.

Now there are goods that typically are regulated like water electricity or gas. Nothing strange at all.

Yes - utilities that are essential for life are indeed regulated. Are you saying private school is essential for life and therefore should have its price regulated?

It’s more about if for your money you are obtaining what it’s advertised. In normal countries if what you purchase is different from advertised that’s penalized by the law. Not sure the free market can fully correct deceptive practices by schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Clearly the equilibrium would be achieved when the tuition is such that there are no people in a waiting list. That’s not the case now. But the equilibrium of supply and demand would need to deliver a much higher tuition.

Now there are goods that typically are regulated like water electricity or gas. Nothing strange at all.

Yes - utilities that are essential for life are indeed regulated. Are you saying private school is essential for life and therefore should have its price regulated?

Following your logic, electricity prices should be market determined and those who cannot pay can switch to candles. People have other options.

They actually generally do not have other options. Most utilities are monopolies. So no, that is not following my logic at all and only proves my point further.

Not really. Sounds like a cool policy proposal to restore free markets everywhere. Maybe people should take a bath in the Potomac if they cannot pay for water.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Clearly the equilibrium would be achieved when the tuition is such that there are no people in a waiting list. That’s not the case now. But the equilibrium of supply and demand would need to deliver a much higher tuition.

Now there are goods that typically are regulated like water electricity or gas. Nothing strange at all.

Yes - utilities that are essential for life are indeed regulated. Are you saying private school is essential for life and therefore should have its price regulated?

It’s more about if for your money you are obtaining what it’s advertised. In normal countries if what you purchase is different from advertised that’s penalized by the law. Not sure the free market can fully correct deceptive practices by schools.

lol ok. Have fun suing schools for deceptive practices because their budgets don’t align with your priorities yet you continue to enroll and pay them to educate your kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Clearly the equilibrium would be achieved when the tuition is such that there are no people in a waiting list. That’s not the case now. But the equilibrium of supply and demand would need to deliver a much higher tuition.

Now there are goods that typically are regulated like water electricity or gas. Nothing strange at all.

Yes - utilities that are essential for life are indeed regulated. Are you saying private school is essential for life and therefore should have its price regulated?

Following your logic, electricity prices should be market determined and those who cannot pay can switch to candles. People have other options.

They actually generally do not have other options. Most utilities are monopolies. So no, that is not following my logic at all and only proves my point further.

Not really. Sounds like a cool policy proposal to restore free markets everywhere. Maybe people should take a bath in the Potomac if they cannot pay for water.

Not sure what logically fallacy to start with here, so I’m just gonna stop because your cluelessness speaks for itself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Clearly the equilibrium would be achieved when the tuition is such that there are no people in a waiting list. That’s not the case now. But the equilibrium of supply and demand would need to deliver a much higher tuition.

Now there are goods that typically are regulated like water electricity or gas. Nothing strange at all.

Yes - utilities that are essential for life are indeed regulated. Are you saying private school is essential for life and therefore should have its price regulated?

Following your logic, electricity prices should be market determined and those who cannot pay can switch to candles. People have other options.

They actually generally do not have other options. Most utilities are monopolies. So no, that is not following my logic at all and only proves my point further.

Not really. Sounds like a cool policy proposal to restore free markets everywhere. Maybe people should take a bath in the Potomac if they cannot pay for water.

Not sure what logically fallacy to start with here, so I’m just gonna stop because your cluelessness speaks for itself.

Sure. Also open a trump university branch to make money. If people want it and is profitable you just have to let the market work. Doesn’t matter that there is false advertisement. Brilliant!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Clearly the equilibrium would be achieved when the tuition is such that there are no people in a waiting list. That’s not the case now. But the equilibrium of supply and demand would need to deliver a much higher tuition.

Now there are goods that typically are regulated like water electricity or gas. Nothing strange at all.

Yes - utilities that are essential for life are indeed regulated. Are you saying private school is essential for life and therefore should have its price regulated?

It’s more about if for your money you are obtaining what it’s advertised. In normal countries if what you purchase is different from advertised that’s penalized by the law. Not sure the free market can fully correct deceptive practices by schools.

lol ok. Have fun suing schools for deceptive practices because their budgets don’t align with your priorities yet you continue to enroll and pay them to educate your kids.

No it’s ok. We can let school hire HOS for 1 million dollars to promote inclusion.

Just let parents know that the inclusiveness is for the people receiving 1 million dollars.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s a private school. They can charge whatever they want. Only the people who can’t afford it are complaining about the cost.

Not complaining at all. The US legal system allows consumers to contest abusive practices by corporations. Nothing outrageous about that. Just curious if there was something similar in DC. In Arizona has being proposed. Nothing crazy.

Looking to Arizona for DC private school policy is apples to oranges. The reason why a bill has been proposed in AZ to limit tuition increases in private schools is because AZ has a fairly rare voucher system (they call it ESA) that gives thousands of dollars to families who request it to pay for private school.

The problem is that once lawmakers in AZ dropped limits for the vouchers and allowed anyone to get the funds, including people who were already paying for private school without the ESA voucher funds, some private schools raised tuition by more than usual.

This isn’t a case of AZ state legislators having a soft spot for private school parents and looking to cap tuition costs because it’s just too expensive. It’s because, in AZ, some schools said “oh, families are now getting $8,000 on average from the state to pay for tuition. Well, they could afford the price before they got these funds so let’s raise tuition by $8,000”.

That was good policy. Wonder why tuition is growing higher than the wages of most parents. Hopefully such a regulation could help.

Supply and demand, maybe?

Corruption maybe ?

You can’t just toss out corruption because it sounds cool. How exactly does corruption lead to an increase to tuition? Don’t parents willingly pay tuition amounts, which are determined and publicized before families sign contracts for each school year?

Ok. Let me put in a way that you understand. There is conflict interest in many boards at the time they look at the finances. In my kids schools In many cases the budgets prioritize spending that the boards considers cool or that they would improve their reputation instead of focusing on the quality of education. Not outright corruption, but a wasteful use of money.

Ok thanks for confirming your prior post that corruption is leading to increased tuition is wrong. And thanks for your opinion on what’s “wasteful” spending vs. what’s valuable to the school community. But to put it in terms you understand, a budget established by a board that you disagree with is not corruption.

Ok. Let the tuition increase 10 percent per year and pay a low salary to teachers with poor recruiting outcomes. I am sure the majority of parents would agree with this. Lovely!