Square the circle: how are acceptances harder to get than ever yet basic skills are at their lowest?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Ask yourself this. Which students lack competence? The ones work perfect or near perfect academic stats? Or the ones with much weaker academic stats who are there to advance a social agenda?

These rhetorical thought experiments are worthless if they're based on faulty premises. First, show us the reliable data that (a) identifies such incompetent students at selective schools, (b) shows that they are disproportionately constituted of whatever demographic you are inferring by "social agenda" (let's be real, we all know you mean "brown people"), (c) demonstrates that those same students had "much weaker" stats than their peers (and were admitted despite SCOTUS's SFFA decision), and, finally, (d) disaggregates the data for prior generations, distinct demographics, and other material variables. Then we'll consider your MAGA reasoning.

lol. I like how I need to produce a double blind cross sectional three decade study to prove an obvious point - as opposed to just talk to my friend’s son at HYP about his first gen roommates who are drowning.

I’m asking for some form of reliable evidence to support the foundational premises of your theory. You provided a friend-of-a-friend anecdote. Why don’t you tell me your thoughts on global warming and the efficacy of vaccines next? I’m sure the YouTubes you’ve watched have made you an expert.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Cell phone addiction means that 98% of people have the attention span of a gnat and the writing skillz that allow them to construct sentences like this: "bruh - hmu when u hav a sec. Ima hit da gym"

For the record, I don't know what a gnat's attention span is, but I believe it's not great.

Leave the gnats alone

[Anonymous]

Because instead of upping the standards for all (the US is at the bottom of the OECD for Math), the woke left decided to lower standards by driving test-optional admissions, eliminating Algebra 1 and accelerated math in some middle schools, removing DS and Fs from grading to create a "no-fail" environment. The Universities, bastions of incompetent administrators, have long advocated for such policies in the name of equity. It has also been self serving as schools and universities are no longer held accountable to improving standards, standards are part of the white patriarchy after all. A virtuous cycle of give us the money, but don't ask us how we used it, if you do, you are a bad person and we will key your car.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Fewer kids regularly read or write for pleasure, and I'd imagine that explains some of it. Independent reading lends itself to a greater range of general knowledge, better critical thinking skills, a larger vocabulary, and better language and communication skills.

Kids are so much busier than we were 40 years ago. I did model UN in HS—we did one competition which was in our hometown. My daughter did it and did about 3-4 commotions a year. In my age most of the smart kids did not play sports. The ones that did mostly had one sport season that was a couple months a year. Now lots of kids play sports year round. Sometimes multiple sports. I did a small amount of volunteering Aa maybe a day or two a year. My kid did regular volunteer work —- hours per week. She’s smart and all but I feel like with all the stuff she was doing, she just didn’t have time to read and write the way I did. And teachers certainly don’t have time to read essays.

[Anonymous]

Disagree. I was up till midnight many nights with my honors and AP classes after both working and doing varsity sports and hanging out with friends and volunteering and going to church on Sunday. My kids are in bed by 9 pm and wouldnt consider working during the school year and rarely call friends to hang out. It's healthier sleep but in no way are they working as hard in high school. If they are up late it's because they are on their phones.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Disagree. I was up till midnight many nights with my honors and AP classes after both working and doing varsity sports and hanging out with friends and volunteering and going to church on Sunday. My kids are in bed by 9 pm and wouldnt consider working during the school year and rarely call friends to hang out. It's healthier sleep but in no way are they working as hard in high school. If they are up late it's because they are on their phones.

you decided on that high school.

my kid is up studying til midnight every night. I wish it the load was lighter, but I decided on this high school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Disagree. I was up till midnight many nights with my honors and AP classes after both working and doing varsity sports and hanging out with friends and volunteering and going to church on Sunday. My kids are in bed by 9 pm and wouldnt consider working during the school year and rarely call friends to hang out. It's healthier sleep but in no way are they working as hard in high school. If they are up late it's because they are on their phones.

Your kids are in HS? This is very unusual. My HS kids are usually up until midnight or later sing doing work after getting home from sports practice. And spent weekends at tournaments or academic competitions. They Fe just so incredibly busy and I know that they still don’t have the ECs that many kids are putting on their common apps.

[Anonymous]

Something is definitely wrong - Harvard introduced "remedial math" courses to address the lack of foundational algebra skills in their students due to what they say was the "loss of learning during Covid"

I think grade inflation is to blame.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ask yourself this. Which students lack competence? The ones work perfect or near perfect academic stats? Or the ones with much weaker academic stats who are there to advance a social agenda?

These rhetorical thought experiments are worthless if they're based on faulty premises. First, show us the reliable data that (a) identifies such incompetent students at selective schools, (b) shows that they are disproportionately constituted of whatever demographic you are inferring by "social agenda" (let's be real, we all know you mean "brown people"), (c) demonstrates that those same students had "much weaker" stats than their peers (and were admitted despite SCOTUS's SFFA decision), and, finally, (d) disaggregates the data for prior generations, distinct demographics, and other material variables. Then we'll consider your MAGA reasoning.

lol. I like how I need to produce a double blind cross sectional three decade study to prove an obvious point - as opposed to just talk to my friend’s son at HYP about his first gen roommates who are drowning.

I’m asking for some form of reliable evidence to support the foundational premises of your theory. You provided a friend-of-a-friend anecdote. Why don’t you tell me your thoughts on global warming and the efficacy of vaccines next? I’m sure the YouTubes you’ve watched have made you an expert.

This is typical of you woke idiots. Faced with common sense explanations easily supported by anyone close to the situation, you demand impossible to find or generate scientific studies. Otherwise it’s “Fox News propaganda.”

Let’s reason this one out, shall we? Take your typical Ivy League school. It has become nearly impossible for unhooked academic superstars from affluent high schools to get in. The ones who do get in now are the best of the best. We know these kids. Am I to believe they are the ones lacking basic competence and seeking tutoring resources? No they ARE the tutors. Meanwhile, you have this push to admit kids from sociologically and economically disadvantaged backgrounds. The proportion of students from these backgrounds has skyrocketed. Test optional was created to mask their inability to perform well on standardized tests. Their schools are less rigorous, so their high GPAs are basically meaningless. While the slightest flaw in a transcript from a non-disadvantaged student can be disqualifying, every accommodation is made to overlook flaws in the DEIFGLI application. How else do these schools get their Pell Grant numbers up to win the USNWR ranking game?

You want answers - go to a campus - see which kids are struggling - ask them about their backgrounds.

But rather than address the problem they have created - woke idiots ponder myriad potential causes and then land on “probably social media.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Something is definitely wrong - Harvard introduced "remedial math" courses to address the lack of foundational algebra skills in their students due to what they say was the "loss of learning during Covid"

I think grade inflation is to blame.

bring back the SAT IIs, if not mandate reporting of ap scores outright

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ask yourself this. Which students lack competence? The ones work perfect or near perfect academic stats? Or the ones with much weaker academic stats who are there to advance a social agenda?

These rhetorical thought experiments are worthless if they're based on faulty premises. First, show us the reliable data that (a) identifies such incompetent students at selective schools, (b) shows that they are disproportionately constituted of whatever demographic you are inferring by "social agenda" (let's be real, we all know you mean "brown people"), (c) demonstrates that those same students had "much weaker" stats than their peers (and were admitted despite SCOTUS's SFFA decision), and, finally, (d) disaggregates the data for prior generations, distinct demographics, and other material variables. Then we'll consider your MAGA reasoning.

lol. I like how I need to produce a double blind cross sectional three decade study to prove an obvious point - as opposed to just talk to my friend’s son at HYP about his first gen roommates who are drowning.

I’m asking for some form of reliable evidence to support the foundational premises of your theory. You provided a friend-of-a-friend anecdote. Why don’t you tell me your thoughts on global warming and the efficacy of vaccines next? I’m sure the YouTubes you’ve watched have made you an expert.

This is typical of you woke idiots. Faced with common sense explanations easily supported by anyone close to the situation, you demand impossible to find or generate scientific studies. Otherwise it’s “Fox News propaganda.”

Let’s reason this one out, shall we? Take your typical Ivy League school. It has become nearly impossible for unhooked academic superstars from affluent high schools to get in. The ones who do get in now are the best of the best. We know these kids. Am I to believe they are the ones lacking basic competence and seeking tutoring resources? No they ARE the tutors. Meanwhile, you have this push to admit kids from sociologically and economically disadvantaged backgrounds. The proportion of students from these backgrounds has skyrocketed. Test optional was created to mask their inability to perform well on standardized tests. Their schools are less rigorous, so their high GPAs are basically meaningless. While the slightest flaw in a transcript from a non-disadvantaged student can be disqualifying, every accommodation is made to overlook flaws in the DEIFGLI application. How else do these schools get their Pell Grant numbers up to win the USNWR ranking game?

You want answers - go to a campus - see which kids are struggling - ask them about their backgrounds.

But rather than address the problem they have created - woke idiots ponder myriad potential causes and then land on “probably social media.”

lol - going woke DEFINITELY had something to do with the lack of foundational skills in students. Going woke produced test optional applications. That is simply unassailable fact. Test optional was a mask to cover the abject failure of the high school and grade school education system in the US.

[Anonymous]

People who are posting on DCUM about tough acceptances are not the ones who have kids lacking in basic skills.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ask yourself this. Which students lack competence? The ones work perfect or near perfect academic stats? Or the ones with much weaker academic stats who are there to advance a social agenda?

These rhetorical thought experiments are worthless if they're based on faulty premises. First, show us the reliable data that (a) identifies such incompetent students at selective schools, (b) shows that they are disproportionately constituted of whatever demographic you are inferring by "social agenda" (let's be real, we all know you mean "brown people"), (c) demonstrates that those same students had "much weaker" stats than their peers (and were admitted despite SCOTUS's SFFA decision), and, finally, (d) disaggregates the data for prior generations, distinct demographics, and other material variables. Then we'll consider your MAGA reasoning.

lol. I like how I need to produce a double blind cross sectional three decade study to prove an obvious point - as opposed to just talk to my friend’s son at HYP about his first gen roommates who are drowning.

I’m asking for some form of reliable evidence to support the foundational premises of your theory. You provided a friend-of-a-friend anecdote. Why don’t you tell me your thoughts on global warming and the efficacy of vaccines next? I’m sure the YouTubes you’ve watched have made you an expert.

This is typical of you woke idiots. Faced with common sense explanations easily supported by anyone close to the situation, you demand impossible to find or generate scientific studies. Otherwise it’s “Fox News propaganda.”

Let’s reason this one out, shall we? Take your typical Ivy League school. It has become nearly impossible for unhooked academic superstars from affluent high schools to get in. The ones who do get in now are the best of the best. We know these kids. Am I to believe they are the ones lacking basic competence and seeking tutoring resources? No they ARE the tutors. Meanwhile, you have this push to admit kids from sociologically and economically disadvantaged backgrounds. The proportion of students from these backgrounds has skyrocketed. Test optional was created to mask their inability to perform well on standardized tests. Their schools are less rigorous, so their high GPAs are basically meaningless. While the slightest flaw in a transcript from a non-disadvantaged student can be disqualifying, every accommodation is made to overlook flaws in the DEIFGLI application. How else do these schools get their Pell Grant numbers up to win the USNWR ranking game?

You want answers - go to a campus - see which kids are struggling - ask them about their backgrounds.

But rather than address the problem they have created - woke idiots ponder myriad potential causes and then land on “probably social media.”

look at all the parents here bragging that their kids in private school don't have to take many Aps and have a lighter course and they get accepted to T20s... those are the ones struggling

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ok can someone please square the circle

Schools are harder to get into than ever before yet we are hearing from faculty that there is a crisis of basic competence in the student body.

What is going on?

They are deliberately trying to avoid selecting for merit because of the disparity that result from merit based admissions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Ask yourself this. Which students lack competence? The ones work perfect or near perfect academic stats? Or the ones with much weaker academic stats who are there to advance a social agenda?

These rhetorical thought experiments are worthless if they're based on faulty premises. First, show us the reliable data that (a) identifies such incompetent students at selective schools, (b) shows that they are disproportionately constituted of whatever demographic you are inferring by "social agenda" (let's be real, we all know you mean "brown people"), (c) demonstrates that those same students had "much weaker" stats than their peers (and were admitted despite SCOTUS's SFFA decision), and, finally, (d) disaggregates the data for prior generations, distinct demographics, and other material variables. Then we'll consider your MAGA reasoning.

lol. I like how I need to produce a double blind cross sectional three decade study to prove an obvious point - as opposed to just talk to my friend’s son at HYP about his first gen roommates who are drowning.

I’m asking for some form of reliable evidence to support the foundational premises of your theory. You provided a friend-of-a-friend anecdote. Why don’t you tell me your thoughts on global warming and the efficacy of vaccines next? I’m sure the YouTubes you’ve watched have made you an expert.

This is typical of you woke idiots. Faced with common sense explanations easily supported by anyone close to the situation, you demand impossible to find or generate scientific studies. Otherwise it’s “Fox News propaganda.”

Let’s reason this one out, shall we? Take your typical Ivy League school. It has become nearly impossible for unhooked academic superstars from affluent high schools to get in. The ones who do get in now are the best of the best. We know these kids. Am I to believe they are the ones lacking basic competence and seeking tutoring resources? No they ARE the tutors. Meanwhile, you have this push to admit kids from sociologically and economically disadvantaged backgrounds. The proportion of students from these backgrounds has skyrocketed. Test optional was created to mask their inability to perform well on standardized tests. Their schools are less rigorous, so their high GPAs are basically meaningless. While the slightest flaw in a transcript from a non-disadvantaged student can be disqualifying, every accommodation is made to overlook flaws in the DEIFGLI application. How else do these schools get their Pell Grant numbers up to win the USNWR ranking game?

You want answers - go to a campus - see which kids are struggling - ask them about their backgrounds.

But rather than address the problem they have created - woke idiots ponder myriad potential causes and then land on “probably social media.”

lol - going woke DEFINITELY had something to do with the lack of foundational skills in students. Going woke produced test optional applications. That is simply unassailable fact. Test optional was a mask to cover the abject failure of the high school and grade school education system in the US.

The good high schools schools are still producing good students - perhaps more so than before. It’s just that the best colleges are now accepting students with questionable credentials because they want to advance a social mission. If you skew the selection process in this way, you take on less capable students. It would be like taking the percentage of recruited athletes up from 20 pct to 50 pct. What do you think would happen? Would the median student become stronger or weaker?