Redshirting consequences at Lafayette

[Anonymous]

Any updates for this?

[Anonymous]

Curious about updates on this one. I can't imagine the publicity actually helped their cause...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here's an argument for red shirting: it potentially can save the school and District money on IEP and 504s. It also helps keep the older class on track by not having a student who is emotionally immature or who would benefit from doing a lower grade level work.

Its a tough issues for families and schools where kids are near the cut off date.

It doesn't save as if a child is delayed they will need help and the longer you wait the more a child will struggle and the more help they will need. If your child is struggling and you know it as a parent you need to get them help before K. If your child needs to be held back, you failed to get your child the help they needed if its something like immaturity. However, no kids should be mature going into K. No 5 year old is mature.

Rigid thinking about the cutoffs is how public schools usually operate, however that doesn't make it right.

If your kid is within a few months of the cutoff, making them young for the grade, any immaturity can easily be within normal.

Take a kid who is old for their grade and doing well, then change the cutoffs and make them young for grade instead, and they may struggle.

The cutoffs are arbitrary.

There needs to be a cut off. No kids are mature. And, an older kid isn't more mature, they are older. If they are with younger kids and behaving as those kids are, they are immature. Its insane to have kids 2 years apart. Its more of an isssue when you have a 13-14 year old taking classes with a 18-19-20 year old in high school.

Why do we need rigid cutoffs? Also why would a 13-14 yo be taking classes with an 18-20 yo?

Many private schools operate with some flexibility around the cutoffs. They also offer a far superior product to DCPS.

Really, you don't know why? Math, electives like foreign language, ap, arts. My child as a Freshman was in multiple classes with juniors and seniors. As a sophmore, they are the only sophomores with juniors and seniors.

That school sounds awful, this is not normal.

It’s very normal when you have freshman in the highest level orchestra or chorus or precal for math.

No, that doesn’t happen at any decent school.

A decent school allows students to take classes appropriate to their ability.

Are you really defending placing seniors and freshmen into the same classes?

my kid is a JR HS in DC. took pre-calc in 9th grade with many kids who were Juniors. now in 10th grade my kid is taking AP calc BC and as you can guess, the majority of students are juniors and seniors. this is not strange at all

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Anonymous wrote:Here's an argument for red shirting: it potentially can save the school and District money on IEP and 504s. It also helps keep the older class on track by not having a student who is emotionally immature or who would benefit from doing a lower grade level work.

Its a tough issues for families and schools where kids are near the cut off date.

It doesn't save as if a child is delayed they will need help and the longer you wait the more a child will struggle and the more help they will need. If your child is struggling and you know it as a parent you need to get them help before K. If your child needs to be held back, you failed to get your child the help they needed if its something like immaturity. However, no kids should be mature going into K. No 5 year old is mature.

Rigid thinking about the cutoffs is how public schools usually operate, however that doesn't make it right.

If your kid is within a few months of the cutoff, making them young for the grade, any immaturity can easily be within normal.

Take a kid who is old for their grade and doing well, then change the cutoffs and make them young for grade instead, and they may struggle.

The cutoffs are arbitrary.

There needs to be a cut off. No kids are mature. And, an older kid isn't more mature, they are older. If they are with younger kids and behaving as those kids are, they are immature. Its insane to have kids 2 years apart. Its more of an isssue when you have a 13-14 year old taking classes with a 18-19-20 year old in high school.

Why do we need rigid cutoffs? Also why would a 13-14 yo be taking classes with an 18-20 yo?

Many private schools operate with some flexibility around the cutoffs. They also offer a far superior product to DCPS.

Really, you don't know why? Math, electives like foreign language, ap, arts. My child as a Freshman was in multiple classes with juniors and seniors. As a sophmore, they are the only sophomores with juniors and seniors.

That school sounds awful, this is not normal.

It’s very normal when you have freshman in the highest level orchestra or chorus or precal for math.

No, that doesn’t happen at any decent school.

A decent school allows students to take classes appropriate to their ability.

Are you really defending placing seniors and freshmen into the same classes?

my kid is a JR HS in DC. took pre-calc in 9th grade with many kids who were Juniors. now in 10th grade my kid is taking AP calc BC and as you can guess, the majority of students are juniors and seniors. this is not strange at all

Same. Any kid who took three years of language in middle school comes into JR at Language 3, which is otherwise for juniors. Aside from Spanish 3, My 9th grade DC is currently taking PE and Art (required DCPS classes) and they have seniors in them who didn’t take them earlier but need to graduate.

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Anonymous wrote:Here's an argument for red shirting: it potentially can save the school and District money on IEP and 504s. It also helps keep the older class on track by not having a student who is emotionally immature or who would benefit from doing a lower grade level work.

Its a tough issues for families and schools where kids are near the cut off date.

It doesn't save as if a child is delayed they will need help and the longer you wait the more a child will struggle and the more help they will need. If your child is struggling and you know it as a parent you need to get them help before K. If your child needs to be held back, you failed to get your child the help they needed if its something like immaturity. However, no kids should be mature going into K. No 5 year old is mature.

Rigid thinking about the cutoffs is how public schools usually operate, however that doesn't make it right.

If your kid is within a few months of the cutoff, making them young for the grade, any immaturity can easily be within normal.

Take a kid who is old for their grade and doing well, then change the cutoffs and make them young for grade instead, and they may struggle.

The cutoffs are arbitrary.

There needs to be a cut off. No kids are mature. And, an older kid isn't more mature, they are older. If they are with younger kids and behaving as those kids are, they are immature. Its insane to have kids 2 years apart. Its more of an isssue when you have a 13-14 year old taking classes with a 18-19-20 year old in high school.

Why do we need rigid cutoffs? Also why would a 13-14 yo be taking classes with an 18-20 yo?

Many private schools operate with some flexibility around the cutoffs. They also offer a far superior product to DCPS.

Really, you don't know why? Math, electives like foreign language, ap, arts. My child as a Freshman was in multiple classes with juniors and seniors. As a sophmore, they are the only sophomores with juniors and seniors.

That school sounds awful, this is not normal.

It’s very normal when you have freshman in the highest level orchestra or chorus or precal for math.

No, that doesn’t happen at any decent school.

A decent school allows students to take classes appropriate to their ability.

Are you really defending placing seniors and freshmen into the same classes?

my kid is a JR HS in DC. took pre-calc in 9th grade with many kids who were Juniors. now in 10th grade my kid is taking AP calc BC and as you can guess, the majority of students are juniors and seniors. this is not strange at all

Same. Any kid who took three years of language in middle school comes into JR at Language 3, which is otherwise for juniors. Aside from Spanish 3, My 9th grade DC is currently taking PE and Art (required DCPS classes) and they have seniors in them who didn’t take them earlier but need to graduate.

Also music and other electives - dance, art, foreign language, math, science....

[Anonymous]

Lafayette parents apparently trying to solicit PTA support across the city -- anyone have the details on this letter they sent out?

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Anonymous wrote:Having a rigid cutoff protects kids who's parents can't afford to play with the cutoff. Every class only has kids within a year of each other. If parents who could afford to pay daycare for one more year or send to private school for a year are allowed to redshirt, then the distribution in the classrooms grows. What happens to the September birthdays who went on time who are now over a year younger then the redshirted kids? It's not fair to them to be in class with kids who could be up to 23 months older...or realistically, 18 months older. People most often redshirt boys. Why should my petit September birthday girl be in class with a boy 18 or 20 months older than her? The physical size of the kids will make a difference for schools sports, but also now teachers will have to teach across more than a year of developmental differences and capabilities. Rich parents will redshirt, parents of less means won't, and kids of less means will suffer. If these parents want this kind of redshirting choice, then they are free to send their kids to private school.

Because boys' brain development is delayed in comparison with girls, that's why. And in public schools, we would reward kids who can sit still, keep quiet, do worksheets, and take tests, which heavily favors girls. It's both biology and our crappy educational system.

Ah yes those poor boys. Everything always favors girls in education. I can’t imagine how men have dealt with this oppression for so long.

You are living in the past. There is a large gap in attending 4 year college favoring women.

Unfortunately this has not produced better outcomes for ALL women. Higher paying jobs are still dominated by men.

Going to college no longer means you have secured your future.

This just in: progress takes time because people live long lives. More at 11.

And yes, women are out earning men in many cities, now. People like you who view this as a zero sum game are missing the point. Do better. Read a book.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Lafayette parents apparently trying to solicit PTA support across the city -- anyone have the details on this letter they sent out?

From what I've gathered there are several schools/ parents now involved. Not just from Lafayette.

[Anonymous]

More schools that were letting people have exceptions? So maybe this is DCPS cracking down across the board rather than just a new principal at Lafayette ending the old regime?

[Anonymous]

They're planning to testify at the SBOE hearing next week presumably about how it's incredibly unfair that DCPS is enforcing its own policy. It is spearheaded by a Lafayette parent as I understand.

The letter they're circulating uses some pretty extreme language saying kindergarten access is being threatened if your child was born before September 30th and leads to a lot of confusion. It's actually pretty gross to try and scare parents about something that absolutely will not threaten their kid's access to kindergarten but they seem to be targeting UMC PTOs too which is equally gross.

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Anonymous wrote:They're planning to testify at the SBOE hearing next week presumably about how it's incredibly unfair that DCPS is enforcing its own policy. It is spearheaded by a Lafayette parent as I understand.

The letter they're circulating uses some pretty extreme language saying kindergarten access is being threatened if your child was born before September 30th and leads to a lot of confusion. It's actually pretty gross to try and scare parents about something that absolutely will not threaten their kid's access to kindergarten but they seem to be targeting UMC PTOs too which is equally gross.

If the SBOE or DCPS give any air to this I’m going to be so angry. There are kindergarteners in DCPS exposed to mold and lead in their dilapidated buildings but no lets focus on rich parents whining because they didn’t get their way.

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Anonymous wrote:They're planning to testify at the SBOE hearing next week presumably about how it's incredibly unfair that DCPS is enforcing its own policy. It is spearheaded by a Lafayette parent as I understand.

The letter they're circulating uses some pretty extreme language saying kindergarten access is being threatened if your child was born before September 30th and leads to a lot of confusion. It's actually pretty gross to try and scare parents about something that absolutely will not threaten their kid's access to kindergarten but they seem to be targeting UMC PTOs too which is equally gross.

If the SBOE or DCPS give any air to this I’m going to be so angry. There are kindergarteners in DCPS exposed to mold and lead in their dilapidated buildings but no lets focus on rich parents whining because they didn’t get their way.

I testified before the DC Council for the dyslexia bill.
I wish these parents sat there and listened to real problems with DCPS as opposed to their own self created drama.

Real problems - having qualified teachers for home bound children (due to medical issues)
Real problems - DCPS not providing special education services to students who have identified needs because a teacher does not believe the diagnosis
Fake problem - paying for private PreK for your K age child and outrage when the school enforces their policy.

[Anonymous]

zero sympathy for redshirters. it should be illegal nationwide.

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Anonymous wrote:They're planning to testify at the SBOE hearing next week presumably about how it's incredibly unfair that DCPS is enforcing its own policy. It is spearheaded by a Lafayette parent as I understand.

The letter they're circulating uses some pretty extreme language saying kindergarten access is being threatened if your child was born before September 30th and leads to a lot of confusion. It's actually pretty gross to try and scare parents about something that absolutely will not threaten their kid's access to kindergarten but they seem to be targeting UMC PTOs too which is equally gross.

If the SBOE or DCPS give any air to this I’m going to be so angry. There are kindergarteners in DCPS exposed to mold and lead in their dilapidated buildings but no lets focus on rich parents whining because they didn’t get their way.

They are certainly welcome to wait on the line for half a day like the rest of us to but they won't get my sympathy that they can't artificially hold their kid back so they can score 100 points better on the SAT.

- Parent of a child whose class has also been exposed to lead and mold and who knows what else

[Anonymous]

The lack of self-awareness among Lafayette parents never fails to amaze.