UChicago ED

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:what do people think the ed 1 acceptance rate is?

would not be surprised to see it in high 30s or 40s

My money is on 40% or so. So basically the same as Syracuse. So much for snobbery.

And if you were capable of critical thinking, you would know that 40 percent is mathematically impossible, given the overall constraints (in 2024, 1,955 students were accepted out of 43,612 applications)

I'm no mathematician but I'm unclear why it's impossible. We don't know how many applicants applied for ED (or EA that turned into ED2). For all we know, about 4,000 of the applications were ED and they accepted 1500 of them (assuming 75% - 80% of the 1,955 were accepted ED). That leaves 39,000 people sadly vying for 400 seats in RD, presumably having fallen victim to slick marketing or - gasp - being unable to commit without knowing about financial aid.

It's really ridiculous that they don't disclose this.

Let’s simplify the problem. Assume that there are only two paths to being admitted: 1) ED0+ED1+ED2 = ED, with a high and unknown acceptance rate; and 2) EA + RD, with a low acceptance rate of 1 percent.

We also need an assumption about the proportion of ED number of applicants as a proportion of the total. Let’s assume that it is at least as high as in other comparable schools (e.g. Cornell) => 13.5 percent. Since Chicago is known for giving preference to ED, let’s round up that proportion to 15 percent.

Using these assumptions, we can now compute the implied ED acceptance rate. Applying the 1 percent acceptance rate assumption for EA/RD to the 85 percent of the number of applicants (about 37000), the number of accepted EA/RD students is about 370. This leaves 1585 acceptances through ED. The implied ED acceptance rate is 1585/6652, which is about 24 percent.

Clearly, you can make different assumptions about the above parameters. But the point is that it is very, very hard (virtually impossible) to get 40 percent acceptance rate for ED.

would venture ed is far higher than 15% of the applicant pool. They are also the only “selective private” school out there that enforces a binding waitlist. aka, they will not accept you unless you agree to enroll.

between that and ed plus sketch admissions spamming with demonstrated interest considered, it reeks of insecurity

Agree. Chicago is much more "prestigious" than Tulane and is well known to be an impossible admit unless ED. I'm guessing their ED is at least 30 percent of the admissions pool.

And fwiw, from our high school, a NJ public in an affluent area, over the past five years 31.5 percent of applicants applied ED. 24.2 percent applied EA, and the rest RD.

Again from our school: ED admit rate 28 percent, EA admit rate 4 percent, RD rate 3 percent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Quick peek at the internet shows it is top 10 in physics, and economics, finance, chemical engineering, law, pure math, anthropology. And it operates Argonne National Laboratory and FermiLab. Shake your fist at how they do admissions if you like.

Golly, it should be amongst the 10 toughest admits then, no? Not sure it is even amongst the 20 toughest.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/lowest-acceptance-rate

https://www.bestcolleges.com/blog/hardest-colleges-to-get-into/

https://www.niche.com/colleges/search/hardest-to-get-in/

[Anonymous]

Tanc

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/lowest-acceptance-rate

https://www.bestcolleges.com/blog/hardest-colleges-to-get-into/

https://www.niche.com/colleges/search/hardest-to-get-in/

Sigh. Do read this thread again. And think about the relationship between % of class filled by ED and overall acceptance rate. Chicago’s ED antics do not a tough admit make. It only means if you want to go to Chicago, simply apply ED and you have a 30% or so admission chance. Again, no sure Chicago is even top 20 in terms of toughest admits — or even top 25.

[Anonymous]

LOL!!!

USNWR and THE have been doing this surveying and analysis for -decades- but you have figured it out better than they... alright.

Anonymous internet pundit throws down their stealth gauntlet and wins the day

You're a clown

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Quick peek at the internet shows it is top 10 in physics, and economics, finance, chemical engineering, law, pure math, anthropology. And it operates Argonne National Laboratory and FermiLab. Shake your fist at how they do admissions if you like.

+1. Who cares where it falls in terms of admissions rate. Great academics.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Tanc

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/lowest-acceptance-rate

https://www.bestcolleges.com/blog/hardest-colleges-to-get-into/

https://www.niche.com/colleges/search/hardest-to-get-in/

Sigh. Do read this thread again. And think about the relationship between % of class filled by ED and overall acceptance rate. Chicago’s ED antics do not a tough admit make. It only means if you want to go to Chicago, simply apply ED and you have a 30% or so admission chance. Again, no sure Chicago is even top 20 in terms of toughest admits — or even top 25.

I bet it's 30% to 40%. While I agree that selectivity isn't everything, there's something so disingenuous about Chicago that it's really bothersome.

[Anonymous]

So… last year, they had 20,000 applicants for their ED1/EA round with a total of 4-5 % acceptance rate (info from admitted students zoom in December, shortly after ED/EA decisions released).

CDS shows they had a total of 40K plus applicants for about 1600 total admits.

Can someone do the math on this on how they are able to have a 40% ED admit rate?

[Anonymous]

Secretive and disingenuous are not the same thing. Coca-Cola is secretive about their recipe. Raytheon is secretive about its engineering. Maintaining their competitive advantage. When an organization does something extremely well others will copy or undermine their process.

So long as UChicago continues delivering the goods decade after decade then what is the trouble?

Nobody gets upset when they don't get in to Harvard. We have all been trained to accept that. But not getting into Chicago feels like skullduggery?

It isn't. They have cultivated their niche and been successful recruiting students that do well in the world

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So… last year, they had 20,000 applicants for their ED1/EA round with a total of 4-5 % acceptance rate (info from admitted students zoom in December, shortly after ED/EA decisions released).

CDS shows they had a total of 40K plus applicants for about 1600 total admits.

Can someone do the math on this on how they are able to have a 40% ED admit rate?

According to UChicago they accept around 2,000 students: https://collegeadmissions.uchicago.edu/apply/class-2028-profile

The issue is that UChicago doesn't publicly disaggregate their ED0/ED1/ED2/EA rates, and when they do inform the public of the "early" admission rate, they lump everything together and state that their early admission rate is 4-5%. Most likely, UChicago is taking the vast majority of their admits through ED1, and admitting a much smaller portion through ED2 and EA. Hence it's not entirely out of the realm of possibility that in reality they could accept 1200 students from ED1 out of a pool of say 4000 ED1 applicants, for an ED1 admit rate of 30%. UChicago is not alone in doing this, since schools like Vanderbilt also doesn't disaggregate their ED1 and ED2 rate, along with not stating the exact number of students they take from early decision. It adds to a veneer of artificial selectivity. This is in contrast to UChicago peer schools like Duke and Johns Hopkins that are pretty transparent about publishing their unvarnished early decision admit rate along with the hard number of early decision applicants who get in from the early applicant pools.

[Anonymous]

I was at the ED admitted students day in person last year. This is before RD etc. Dean Nondorf discussed the numbers.

You can suppose and assume for the rest of your days. Nothing will convince you. If you are certain the dean is lying then there you have it. A perfect echo chamber. Good luck in life.

[Anonymous]

UChicago gets a lot of hate here because it is impossible to fake being smart and diligent. You either work or you fail out. You’re either smart or you’re in trouble. Students study there, they don’t skip class and start “businesses” and do protests. In other words it’s an old school university. Add their commitment to neutrality (read, we are not a domestic front for Hamas) and you have a toxic place for most DCUM politerati.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:UChicago gets a lot of hate here because it is impossible to fake being smart and diligent. You either work or you fail out. You’re either smart or you’re in trouble. Students study there, they don’t skip class and start “businesses” and do protests. In other words it’s an old school university. Add their commitment to neutrality (read, we are not a domestic front for Hamas) and you have a toxic place for most DCUM politerati.

I had a hard time reading this word

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Secretive and disingenuous are not the same thing. Coca-Cola is secretive about their recipe. Raytheon is secretive about its engineering. Maintaining their competitive advantage. When an organization does something extremely well others will copy or undermine their process.

So long as UChicago continues delivering the goods decade after decade then what is the trouble?

Nobody gets upset when they don't get in to Harvard. We have all been trained to accept that. But not getting into Chicago feels like skullduggery?

It isn't. They have cultivated their niche and been successful recruiting students that do well in the world

You didn’t just compare college admissions to a free market, did you? So cringe.

Chicago is secretive about its ED admits.
Chicago is disingenuous when an admission officer lumps ED and EA together to make it appear (to the naïf on this board) that the ED rate is lower than it is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Secretive and disingenuous are not the same thing. Coca-Cola is secretive about their recipe. Raytheon is secretive about its engineering. Maintaining their competitive advantage. When an organization does something extremely well others will copy or undermine their process.

So long as UChicago continues delivering the goods decade after decade then what is the trouble?

Nobody gets upset when they don't get in to Harvard. We have all been trained to accept that. But not getting into Chicago feels like skullduggery?

It isn't. They have cultivated their niche and been successful recruiting students that do well in the world

Harvard doesn’t have ED2. They don’t even have an ED. They don’t defer students and nudge them towards ED2. They don’t tell students that if they want to be removed from waitlist then they need to confirm that they will accept the offer. They don’t do all those things because they don’t have to do them. Chicago on the other hand is not confident about their admission offers and worries a lot about their yield percentage. I wonder why.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So… last year, they had 20,000 applicants for their ED1/EA round with a total of 4-5 % acceptance rate (info from admitted students zoom in December, shortly after ED/EA decisions released).

CDS shows they had a total of 40K plus applicants for about 1600 total admits.

Can someone do the math on this on how they are able to have a 40% ED admit rate?

The math would be, they have 4,000 ED applicants and 16,000 EA applicants. All 1600 admits are admitted through ED, with zero through EA or RD. The result would be a 40% ED admissions rate, and 0% for EA and RD.

Obviously in reality they admit a handful of kids off the waitlist. I’ve never heard of anyone getting in RD or EA, but maybe that’s just in my neighborhood. If you generously assume 400 students are admitted through non binding rounds, with 1200 admitted through ED, then if there are only 3,000 ED applications (and 17,000 EA) you could still, consistent with the numbers the Dean gave you on the zoom, have a 40% ED admit rate.