W&M ED1

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Anonymous wrote:Would my 4.06 (after Junior year, but currently straight A's as a senior)/ 1320 SAT/ 8 APS/ no fourth year foreign language/ no outstanding EC's science or business included Fairfax County daughter who did the W&M open house, tour, and interview but then decided not to do ED because she really wants to go to JMU have been accepted if she had done the ED1? We'll never know but I'm guessing no?

My just sub 4.1 after junior year unhooked white female was admitted ED. Current junior and doing very well. Also, she had 3 years of HN science (Bio, Chem, Physics), but no 4th year. And went off the HN math track beginning in 10th w/ A2 (standard A2 and Pre-Calc, and standard not AP Calc). Ton of demonstrated interest, and a lot of things in the plus column/ had unusual course selections and an unusual profile. Took 12 humanities APs— everything offered at the HS but Psych (and only 1 world language). 36/36 on ACT reading and English (35 composite). Got credit for 9 years of foreign language in HS— through AP Latin, Level 3 in a second language and 1 year in a third language (self taught one year of Latin, one year of her second language and did an in person summer program for a year in a language not offered in her HS, but that she went on to major in in college, when she is learning a second, related language in her own. Real foreign language whiz). All the foreign language credit plus 4 years of orchestra meant a lot of unweighted credit. Also, was very involved in a heavily STEM EC and had been involved since ES. Etc. Her counselor at a top 1/3 FCPS HS said she would get in ED but probably not RD. She was right on ED.

Very pointy humanities kid, who applied for IR & foreign language, but ACT scores and EC showed she could handle the STEM required for the degree. Still an unhooked, white NOVA female with GPA below 25%. It happens.

I think a positive of ED, especially at smaller colleges, is that they can spend more time with each application, which lets them look at an unusual transcript like DD’s and see the method to the madness.

A bunch of APs, foreign language whiz, excellent ACT scores, great ECs….and that is considered unhooked?

Traditionally “hooks” are URM (until the SCOTUS decision), 1st Gen, Legacy, Recruited athlete (I may be missing 1 or 2). Not just being a strong student.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Would my 4.06 (after Junior year, but currently straight A's as a senior)/ 1320 SAT/ 8 APS/ no fourth year foreign language/ no outstanding EC's science or business included Fairfax County daughter who did the W&M open house, tour, and interview but then decided not to do ED because she really wants to go to JMU have been accepted if she had done the ED1? We'll never know but I'm guessing no?

My just sub 4.1 after junior year unhooked white female was admitted ED. Current junior and doing very well. Also, she had 3 years of HN science (Bio, Chem, Physics), but no 4th year. And went off the HN math track beginning in 10th w/ A2 (standard A2 and Pre-Calc, and standard not AP Calc). Ton of demonstrated interest, and a lot of things in the plus column/ had unusual course selections and an unusual profile. Took 12 humanities APs— everything offered at the HS but Psych (and only 1 world language). 36/36 on ACT reading and English (35 composite). Got credit for 9 years of foreign language in HS— through AP Latin, Level 3 in a second language and 1 year in a third language (self taught one year of Latin, one year of her second language and did an in person summer program for a year in a language not offered in her HS, but that she went on to major in in college, when she is learning a second, related language in her own. Real foreign language whiz). All the foreign language credit plus 4 years of orchestra meant a lot of unweighted credit. Also, was very involved in a heavily STEM EC and had been involved since ES. Etc. Her counselor at a top 1/3 FCPS HS said she would get in ED but probably not RD. She was right on ED.

Very pointy humanities kid, who applied for IR & foreign language, but ACT scores and EC showed she could handle the STEM required for the degree. Still an unhooked, white NOVA female with GPA below 25%. It happens.

I think a positive of ED, especially at smaller colleges, is that they can spend more time with each application, which lets them look at an unusual transcript like DD’s and see the method to the madness.

A bunch of APs, foreign language whiz, excellent ACT scores, great ECs….and that is considered unhooked?

Traditionally “hooks” are URM (until the SCOTUS decision), 1st Gen, Legacy, Recruited athlete (I may be missing 1 or 2). Not just being a strong student.

+1
I might add Pell eligible to this list.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Would my 4.06 (after Junior year, but currently straight A's as a senior)/ 1320 SAT/ 8 APS/ no fourth year foreign language/ no outstanding EC's science or business included Fairfax County daughter who did the W&M open house, tour, and interview but then decided not to do ED because she really wants to go to JMU have been accepted if she had done the ED1? We'll never know but I'm guessing no?

My just sub 4.1 after junior year unhooked white female was admitted ED. Current junior and doing very well. Also, she had 3 years of HN science (Bio, Chem, Physics), but no 4th year. And went off the HN math track beginning in 10th w/ A2 (standard A2 and Pre-Calc, and standard not AP Calc). Ton of demonstrated interest, and a lot of things in the plus column/ had unusual course selections and an unusual profile. Took 12 humanities APs— everything offered at the HS but Psych (and only 1 world language). 36/36 on ACT reading and English (35 composite). Got credit for 9 years of foreign language in HS— through AP Latin, Level 3 in a second language and 1 year in a third language (self taught one year of Latin, one year of her second language and did an in person summer program for a year in a language not offered in her HS, but that she went on to major in in college, when she is learning a second, related language in her own. Real foreign language whiz). All the foreign language credit plus 4 years of orchestra meant a lot of unweighted credit. Also, was very involved in a heavily STEM EC and had been involved since ES. Etc. Her counselor at a top 1/3 FCPS HS said she would get in ED but probably not RD. She was right on ED.

Very pointy humanities kid, who applied for IR & foreign language, but ACT scores and EC showed she could handle the STEM required for the degree. Still an unhooked, white NOVA female with GPA below 25%. It happens.

I think a positive of ED, especially at smaller colleges, is that they can spend more time with each application, which lets them look at an unusual transcript like DD’s and see the method to the madness.

A bunch of APs, foreign language whiz, excellent ACT scores, great ECs….and that is considered unhooked?

Traditionally “hooks” are URM (until the SCOTUS decision), 1st Gen, Legacy, Recruited athlete (I may be missing 1 or 2). Not just being a strong student.

+1
I might add Pell eligible to this list.

W&M and a lot of other schools are needs blind so they wouldn't know that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Would my 4.06 (after Junior year, but currently straight A's as a senior)/ 1320 SAT/ 8 APS/ no fourth year foreign language/ no outstanding EC's science or business included Fairfax County daughter who did the W&M open house, tour, and interview but then decided not to do ED because she really wants to go to JMU have been accepted if she had done the ED1? We'll never know but I'm guessing no?

Is your daughter a URM who talked about her identity in her essays and someone who goes to an underperforming high school? W&M likes good test takers. Unless the above two things were true, absolutely not. Maybe a waitlist with the thing like Northeastern's NU-In program would've been possible but definitely not an admit.

No, not an URM. Although both of her parents rose above their decidedly blue collar backgrounds. And not the best high school in Fairfax County, but also not an underperforming high school. Naviance has her looking like UVA was a definite no, WM was a probable no, VT looks possible but no sure thing, and everything else public in state looks promising, fingers crossed.

If she doesn't get into VT I will be surprised.

Me too, though her counselor advised her to make sure she applied EA to VT to make sure she had the best shot.

She's also thinking there's no way she'd get in RD to W&M (and she prefers JMU anyway) so she shouldn't bother applying RD to W&M. Part of me agrees with her but part of me says she should at least try for W&M.

DP. If she prefers JMU, why on earth would you urge her to do this?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Would my 4.06 (after Junior year, but currently straight A's as a senior)/ 1320 SAT/ 8 APS/ no fourth year foreign language/ no outstanding EC's science or business included Fairfax County daughter who did the W&M open house, tour, and interview but then decided not to do ED because she really wants to go to JMU have been accepted if she had done the ED1? We'll never know but I'm guessing no?

Is your daughter a URM who talked about her identity in her essays and someone who goes to an underperforming high school? W&M likes good test takers. Unless the above two things were true, absolutely not. Maybe a waitlist with the thing like Northeastern's NU-In program would've been possible but definitely not an admit.

No, not an URM. Although both of her parents rose above their decidedly blue collar backgrounds. And not the best high school in Fairfax County, but also not an underperforming high school. Naviance has her looking like UVA was a definite no, WM was a probable no, VT looks possible but no sure thing, and everything else public in state looks promising, fingers crossed.

If she doesn't get into VT I will be surprised.

Me too, though her counselor advised her to make sure she applied EA to VT to make sure she had the best shot.

She's also thinking there's no way she'd get in RD to W&M (and she prefers JMU anyway) so she shouldn't bother applying RD to W&M. Part of me agrees with her but part of me says she should at least try for W&M.

DP. If she prefers JMU, why on earth would you urge her to do this?

Is there a greater than 0% chance a kid could get rejected by JMU but accepted by W&M? E&M was her second favorite, so covering all possible scenarios no matter how unlikely.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Would my 4.06 (after Junior year, but currently straight A's as a senior)/ 1320 SAT/ 8 APS/ no fourth year foreign language/ no outstanding EC's science or business included Fairfax County daughter who did the W&M open house, tour, and interview but then decided not to do ED because she really wants to go to JMU have been accepted if she had done the ED1? We'll never know but I'm guessing no?

Is your daughter a URM who talked about her identity in her essays and someone who goes to an underperforming high school? W&M likes good test takers. Unless the above two things were true, absolutely not. Maybe a waitlist with the thing like Northeastern's NU-In program would've been possible but definitely not an admit.

No, not an URM. Although both of her parents rose above their decidedly blue collar backgrounds. And not the best high school in Fairfax County, but also not an underperforming high school. Naviance has her looking like UVA was a definite no, WM was a probable no, VT looks possible but no sure thing, and everything else public in state looks promising, fingers crossed.

If she doesn't get into VT I will be surprised.

Me too, though her counselor advised her to make sure she applied EA to VT to make sure she had the best shot.

She's also thinking there's no way she'd get in RD to W&M (and she prefers JMU anyway) so she shouldn't bother applying RD to W&M. Part of me agrees with her but part of me says she should at least try for W&M.

DP. If she prefers JMU, why on earth would you urge her to do this?

+1
This was my thought.
Your DD is literally telling you “I prefer this school that I am near-certain to get into…and even if the harder-to-get-into school accepts me, I want to go to this other school!”
And you’re like “we’ll just apply to see what happens!”
Why?
So that she can feel sh!tty about being rejected by W&M?
So that she can feel “proud” about being accepted by W&M even though she doesn’t want to attend?
So YOU will feel proud of her for being accepted to W&M and will be able to brag about it even though she isn’t choosing it? (Or will you try ti talk her into attending bc it’s a ‘better” school? Newsflash PP, it isn’t better for your DD if she doesn’t want to be there!)
Also keep in mind that if she already knows for sure she doesn’t want to go there, then it’s a wasted acceptance that the school could have given to someone else who really wants it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Would my 4.06 (after Junior year, but currently straight A's as a senior)/ 1320 SAT/ 8 APS/ no fourth year foreign language/ no outstanding EC's science or business included Fairfax County daughter who did the W&M open house, tour, and interview but then decided not to do ED because she really wants to go to JMU have been accepted if she had done the ED1? We'll never know but I'm guessing no?

Is your daughter a URM who talked about her identity in her essays and someone who goes to an underperforming high school? W&M likes good test takers. Unless the above two things were true, absolutely not. Maybe a waitlist with the thing like Northeastern's NU-In program would've been possible but definitely not an admit.

No, not an URM. Although both of her parents rose above their decidedly blue collar backgrounds. And not the best high school in Fairfax County, but also not an underperforming high school. Naviance has her looking like UVA was a definite no, WM was a probable no, VT looks possible but no sure thing, and everything else public in state looks promising, fingers crossed.

If she doesn't get into VT I will be surprised.

Me too, though her counselor advised her to make sure she applied EA to VT to make sure she had the best shot.

She's also thinking there's no way she'd get in RD to W&M (and she prefers JMU anyway) so she shouldn't bother applying RD to W&M. Part of me agrees with her but part of me says she should at least try for W&M.

DP. If she prefers JMU, why on earth would you urge her to do this?

+1
This was my thought.
Your DD is literally telling you “I prefer this school that I am near-certain to get into…and even if the harder-to-get-into school accepts me, I want to go to this other school!”
And you’re like “we’ll just apply to see what happens!”
Why?
So that she can feel sh!tty about being rejected by W&M?
So that she can feel “proud” about being accepted by W&M even though she doesn’t want to attend?
So YOU will feel proud of her for being accepted to W&M and will be able to brag about it even though she isn’t choosing it? (Or will you try ti talk her into attending bc it’s a ‘better” school? Newsflash PP, it isn’t better for your DD if she doesn’t want to be there!)
Also keep in mind that if she already knows for sure she doesn’t want to go there, then it’s a wasted acceptance that the school could have given to someone else who really wants it.

My reply is directly above yours.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Would my 4.06 (after Junior year, but currently straight A's as a senior)/ 1320 SAT/ 8 APS/ no fourth year foreign language/ no outstanding EC's science or business included Fairfax County daughter who did the W&M open house, tour, and interview but then decided not to do ED because she really wants to go to JMU have been accepted if she had done the ED1? We'll never know but I'm guessing no?

Is your daughter a URM who talked about her identity in her essays and someone who goes to an underperforming high school? W&M likes good test takers. Unless the above two things were true, absolutely not. Maybe a waitlist with the thing like Northeastern's NU-In program would've been possible but definitely not an admit.

No, not an URM. Although both of her parents rose above their decidedly blue collar backgrounds. And not the best high school in Fairfax County, but also not an underperforming high school. Naviance has her looking like UVA was a definite no, WM was a probable no, VT looks possible but no sure thing, and everything else public in state looks promising, fingers crossed.

If she doesn't get into VT I will be surprised.

This

Me too, though her counselor advised her to make sure she applied EA to VT to make sure she had the best shot.

She's also thinking there's no way she'd get in RD to W&M (and she prefers JMU anyway) so she shouldn't bother applying RD to W&M. Part of me agrees with her but part of me says she should at least try for W&M.

DP. If she prefers JMU, why on earth would you urge her to do this?

+1
This was my thought.
Your DD is literally telling you “I prefer this school that I am near-certain to get into…and even if the harder-to-get-into school accepts me, I want to go to this other school!”
And you’re like “we’ll just apply to see what happens!”
Why?
So that she can feel sh!tty about being rejected by W&M?
So that she can feel “proud” about being accepted by W&M even though she doesn’t want to attend?
So YOU will feel proud of her for being accepted to W&M and will be able to brag about it even though she isn’t choosing it? (Or will you try ti talk her into attending bc it’s a ‘better” school? Newsflash PP, it isn’t better for your DD if she doesn’t want to be there!)
Also keep in mind that if she already knows for sure she doesn’t want to go there, then it’s a wasted acceptance that the school could have given to someone else who really wants it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Would my 4.06 (after Junior year, but currently straight A's as a senior)/ 1320 SAT/ 8 APS/ no fourth year foreign language/ no outstanding EC's science or business included Fairfax County daughter who did the W&M open house, tour, and interview but then decided not to do ED because she really wants to go to JMU have been accepted if she had done the ED1? We'll never know but I'm guessing no?

Is your daughter a URM who talked about her identity in her essays and someone who goes to an underperforming high school? W&M likes good test takers. Unless the above two things were true, absolutely not. Maybe a waitlist with the thing like Northeastern's NU-In program would've been possible but definitely not an admit.

No, not an URM. Although both of her parents rose above their decidedly blue collar backgrounds. And not the best high school in Fairfax County, but also not an underperforming high school. Naviance has her looking like UVA was a definite no, WM was a probable no, VT looks possible but no sure thing, and everything else public in state looks promising, fingers crossed.

If she doesn't get into VT I will be surprised.

Me too, though her counselor advised her to make sure she applied EA to VT to make sure she had the best shot.

She's also thinking there's no way she'd get in RD to W&M (and she prefers JMU anyway) so she shouldn't bother applying RD to W&M. Part of me agrees with her but part of me says she should at least try for W&M.

DP. If she prefers JMU, why on earth would you urge her to do this?

Is there a greater than 0% chance a kid could get rejected by JMU but accepted by W&M? E&M was her second favorite, so covering all possible scenarios no matter how unlikely.

So W&M was her third (or higher choice)? Why would you be thinking about ED at all?

I am wracking my brain, but can't think what E&M might stand for.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Would my 4.06 (after Junior year, but currently straight A's as a senior)/ 1320 SAT/ 8 APS/ no fourth year foreign language/ no outstanding EC's science or business included Fairfax County daughter who did the W&M open house, tour, and interview but then decided not to do ED because she really wants to go to JMU have been accepted if she had done the ED1? We'll never know but I'm guessing no?

Is your daughter a URM who talked about her identity in her essays and someone who goes to an underperforming high school? W&M likes good test takers. Unless the above two things were true, absolutely not. Maybe a waitlist with the thing like Northeastern's NU-In program would've been possible but definitely not an admit.

No, not an URM. Although both of her parents rose above their decidedly blue collar backgrounds. And not the best high school in Fairfax County, but also not an underperforming high school. Naviance has her looking like UVA was a definite no, WM was a probable no, VT looks possible but no sure thing, and everything else public in state looks promising, fingers crossed.

If she doesn't get into VT I will be surprised.

Me too, though her counselor advised her to make sure she applied EA to VT to make sure she had the best shot.

She's also thinking there's no way she'd get in RD to W&M (and she prefers JMU anyway) so she shouldn't bother applying RD to W&M. Part of me agrees with her but part of me says she should at least try for W&M.

DP. If she prefers JMU, why on earth would you urge her to do this?

Is there a greater than 0% chance a kid could get rejected by JMU but accepted by W&M? E&M was her second favorite, so covering all possible scenarios no matter how unlikely.

So W&M was her third (or higher choice)? Why would you be thinking about ED at all?

I am wracking my brain, but can't think what E&M might stand for.

If you really wracked your brain, you'd see that E is right next to W on the keyboard and recognize what an easy typo it is to make.