My child is super intelligent and won't get into any good schools? What?!

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They are not a net benefit to American students though. And American universities should serve American students first and foremost, rather than existing to milk rich foreigners.

I agree completely when discussing public colleges. I wish Virginia state schools were required to take more in-state students.

North Carolina takes 80% in state. It was a great benefit when we lived there

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Anonymous wrote:It's true. They would rather take foreigners at 3x the price than your kid. He should apply anyway. The rejections will help him to build resilience for the job market which is this but worse.

Please ignore this xenophobic piece of disinformation. I'm a foreigner, I know other foreigners, and it's just as hard if not harder for our kids to get in. Thank you.

Also, it's not like there is a separate price for foreigners that is 3x what Americans pay.

NP. Give it some thought. Really think about it. The poster is referring to international students. They do pay significantly more, as they should.

Not at private schools. And at state schools, they pay OOS tuition just like anyone from "out of state".

Some schools have international rates or an international surcharge. Purdue is one example.

Purdue is an anomaly. It's a land grant public institution which has geared itself to take in a huge international class to fund itself . A whopping 18.6% of each class is international. Also, any "surcharge" is dependent upon the program. If you enter Purdue Global, for example, the international
student receives a 25% reduction in tuition! And yes there is a tiny $15 addition to the $60 application fee for international students. Again, this is a money-maker for Purdue. Because of its marketing of international students, Purdue is now top ten in America for international students, but one could question why a state university should be so heavily entrenched with international students.

Presumably because it helps them keep in-state tuition and fees at $10-12k.

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Anonymous wrote:It's true. They would rather take foreigners at 3x the price than your kid. He should apply anyway. The rejections will help him to build resilience for the job market which is this but worse.

Please ignore this xenophobic piece of disinformation. I'm a foreigner, I know other foreigners, and it's just as hard if not harder for our kids to get in. Thank you.

You compete globally. We should only have to compete nationally. This doesn't work in practice. Yet to you it's xenophobic to point out the obvious?! And we wonder how Trump gets his supporters....

What does Trump have to do with any of this? How absurd as there is no rational nexus to your point just gooey emotionalism. Indeed we do benefit from foreign students, and should welcome them.

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Anonymous wrote:It's true. They would rather take foreigners at 3x the price than your kid. He should apply anyway. The rejections will help him to build resilience for the job market which is this but worse.

Please ignore this xenophobic piece of disinformation. I'm a foreigner, I know other foreigners, and it's just as hard if not harder for our kids to get in. Thank you.

Also, it's not like there is a separate price for foreigners that is 3x what Americans pay.

NP. Give it some thought. Really think about it. The poster is referring to international students. They do pay significantly more, as they should.

Not at private schools. And at state schools, they pay OOS tuition just like anyone from "out of state".

Some schools have international rates or an international surcharge. Purdue is one example.

Purdue is an anomaly. It's a land grant public institution which has geared itself to take in a huge international class to fund itself . A whopping 18.6% of each class is international. Also, any "surcharge" is dependent upon the program. If you enter Purdue Global, for example, the international
student receives a 25% reduction in tuition! And yes there is a tiny $15 addition to the $60 application fee for international students. Again, this is a money-maker for Purdue. Because of its marketing of international students, Purdue is now top ten in America for international students, but one could question why a state university should be so heavily entrenched with international students.

Presumably because it helps them keep in-state tuition and fees at $10-12k.

Wow, that’s so much lower than UVA! What is UVA doing with all its OOS dollars?

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Virginia gives its colleges much less money than other states do. That leads to higher tuitions and more OOS students.

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Anonymous wrote:It's true. They would rather take foreigners at 3x the price than your kid. He should apply anyway. The rejections will help him to build resilience for the job market which is this but worse.

Please ignore this xenophobic piece of disinformation. I'm a foreigner, I know other foreigners, and it's just as hard if not harder for our kids to get in. Thank you.

Sorry about the stupid racist above. Foreign students are a net benefit for our universities.

They are not a net benefit to American students though. And American universities should serve American students first and foremost, rather than existing to milk rich foreigners.

Everyone who is there adds value. Having international students at school is a great thing for our kids intellectually.

The days are over when foreign students would enlighten our spoiled youth about what it’s like to live in a war-torn country or to walk miles to fetch clean drinking water.

Now they are more likely to tell our students which Swiss ski resorts they prefer.

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Anonymous wrote:It's true. They would rather take foreigners at 3x the price than your kid. He should apply anyway. The rejections will help him to build resilience for the job market which is this but worse.

Please ignore this xenophobic piece of disinformation. I'm a foreigner, I know other foreigners, and it's just as hard if not harder for our kids to get in. Thank you.

Sorry about the stupid racist above. Foreign students are a net benefit for our universities.

They are not a net benefit to American students though. And American universities should serve American students first and foremost, rather than existing to milk rich foreigners.

Everyone who is there adds value. Having international students at school is a great thing for our kids intellectually.

The days are over when foreign students would enlighten our spoiled youth about what it’s like to live in a war-torn country or to walk miles to fetch clean drinking water.

Now they are more likely to tell our students which Swiss ski resorts they prefer.

Uh, this is not new. You never met an international student before?

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Anonymous wrote:My kid (11th grade) is smart. Like, super smart. Not genius level, but he has maintained his 4.0 with ease and sails through AP and DE classes. His IQ is somewhere around 140. He hasn't taken the SAT yet, but I'm sure he'll do super well.

Despite all this, he keeps telling me he has "no shot" at good colleges (not Ivies, but schools like UC Davis, Georgia Tech, etc). I really don't understand how college admissions have become so competitive that a child in the 99th percentile will have trouble being admitted to schools without insanely low acceptance rates.

Is he exaggerating, or is this true?

What do you mean "somewhere around 140." That is genius level.

Pretty sure you are not around 140 though, given the naive broad nature of your question.

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Anonymous wrote:It's true. They would rather take foreigners at 3x the price than your kid. He should apply anyway. The rejections will help him to build resilience for the job market which is this but worse.

Please ignore this xenophobic piece of disinformation. I'm a foreigner, I know other foreigners, and it's just as hard if not harder for our kids to get in. Thank you.

Sorry about the stupid racist above. Foreign students are a net benefit for our universities.

They are not a net benefit to American students though. And American universities should serve American students first and foremost, rather than existing to milk rich foreigners.

Everyone who is there adds value. Having international students at school is a great thing for our kids intellectually.

The days are over when foreign students would enlighten our spoiled youth about what it’s like to live in a war-torn country or to walk miles to fetch clean drinking water.

Now they are more likely to tell our students which Swiss ski resorts they prefer.

It is not about enlightening US students, it is about being highly intelligent peers who push the US students to be their best and (for the top US students) vice versa.

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Anonymous wrote:Re your last sentence, OP: your child will absolutely be accepted to schools that do not have insanely low acceptance rates. A couple of pointers from recent experience:
- there are tons of students with your child’s stats.
- as terrific as he undoubtedly is, he is one of tens of similar thousands
- he is wise to make a plan. Create a brutally honest and balanced list of reaches, targets, and safeties that he would be happy to attend
- acceptance rates are such that reaches for all means just that - reach for ALL regardless of stats
- he should thoughtfully prepare a strategy for ED, EA, RD and rolling
- he should identify the teachers likely to write the best LORs and ask them early
- he should provide his guidance counselor with information to include in the very influential guidance counselor letter
- he should be prepared to create applications that not only reflect his achievements and ECs but that also convey to AOs who he is as a human being and why his presence on a campus will add to the campus as a community
-he should take comfort that the dream school and top 25 concepts are a fallacy. There are tons of schools in this country where he can be happy and thrive. But he’s got to do the work to find them, and not be influenced too much by rankings or the perception of others
- he should be humble and realize that hard work is everything, no one is entitled to anything, and positivity is infectious, vs the understandably negative feelings he sounds like he is experiencing. Get energized, chin up!
-also remind him that this too shall pass.

there are no "tens of thousands" 4.0 10+AP 1500+ applicants.

Only about 20K people getting 1500+ on their SAT, they're not all going to have 10+ APs.

The Common App releases a report each academic season that provides data on SAT submission numbers. Approximately 75,000 kids applied last year to college and submitted a score of 1500+ (includes equivalent ACT scores). You, like many others, fail to include superscores or multiple tests taken during high school. The SAT percentiles are based on one sitting during one Academic year. Also, 20-30% of high schools do not offer AP or IB courses and the majority of US high schools only offer 5-8 courses. Therefore, you are correct that there are not tens of thousands of students taking 10+ AP courses and scoring above 1500 on the SAT but it doesn’t matter because colleges evaluate students based on what’s available to them. So a 1500 kid that maxed out at five AP courses versus 10 AP courses are going to evaluated the same on Academic ability and rigor.

absolutely. it's competitive out there. Now narrow it down to those with almost all 5s AND in the top 5-10% of the graduating class(typical accepted range) and most difficult curriculum (in the HS)and you can get down to 25k-30k students. Thus still more than are accepted at the ivies/private top 10s each year, considering that only 2/3 of slots at these schools are non-athlete, true unhooked slots.

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Anonymous wrote:It's true. They would rather take foreigners at 3x the price than your kid. He should apply anyway. The rejections will help him to build resilience for the job market which is this but worse.

Please ignore this xenophobic piece of disinformation. I'm a foreigner, I know other foreigners, and it's just as hard if not harder for our kids to get in. Thank you.

Sorry about the stupid racist above. Foreign students are a net benefit for our universities.

They are not a net benefit to American students though. And American universities should serve American students first and foremost, rather than existing to milk rich foreigners.

Everyone who is there adds value. Having international students at school is a great thing for our kids intellectually.

If there isn’t even enough space for the qualified US students, they should decrease number of international students.

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Anonymous wrote:It's true. They would rather take foreigners at 3x the price than your kid. He should apply anyway. The rejections will help him to build resilience for the job market which is this but worse.

Please ignore this xenophobic piece of disinformation. I'm a foreigner, I know other foreigners, and it's just as hard if not harder for our kids to get in. Thank you.

You compete globally. We should only have to compete nationally. This doesn't work in practice. Yet to you it's xenophobic to point out the obvious?! And we wonder how Trump gets his supporters....

What does Trump have to do with any of this? How absurd as there is no rational nexus to your point just gooey emotionalism. Indeed we do benefit from foreign students, and should welcome them.

Trump represents the populist movement. When we are talking about tax dollars going to support foreigners, this is part of what he represents. We ARE talking about state flagship universities. Can you really not see this DIRECT link?!

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Anonymous wrote:It's true. They would rather take foreigners at 3x the price than your kid. He should apply anyway. The rejections will help him to build resilience for the job market which is this but worse.

Please ignore this xenophobic piece of disinformation. I'm a foreigner, I know other foreigners, and it's just as hard if not harder for our kids to get in. Thank you.

Sorry about the stupid racist above. Foreign students are a net benefit for our universities.

They are not a net benefit to American students though. And American universities should serve American students first and foremost, rather than existing to milk rich foreigners.

Everyone who is there adds value. Having international students at school is a great thing for our kids intellectually.

The days are over when foreign students would enlighten our spoiled youth about what it’s like to live in a war-torn country or to walk miles to fetch clean drinking water.

Now they are more likely to tell our students which Swiss ski resorts they prefer.

And how much better everything is in their country, despite the fact that they are in this one. Similar to some posters here actually

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Anonymous wrote:It's true. They would rather take foreigners at 3x the price than your kid. He should apply anyway. The rejections will help him to build resilience for the job market which is this but worse.

Please ignore this xenophobic piece of disinformation. I'm a foreigner, I know other foreigners, and it's just as hard if not harder for our kids to get in. Thank you.

Also, it's not like there is a separate price for foreigners that is 3x what Americans pay.

NP. Give it some thought. Really think about it. The poster is referring to international students. They do pay significantly more, as they should.

Not at private schools. And at state schools, they pay OOS tuition just like anyone from "out of state".

Some schools have international rates or an international surcharge. Purdue is one example.

Purdue is an anomaly. It's a land grant public institution which has geared itself to take in a huge international class to fund itself . A whopping 18.6% of each class is international. Also, any "surcharge" is dependent upon the program. If you enter Purdue Global, for example, the international
student receives a 25% reduction in tuition! And yes there is a tiny $15 addition to the $60 application fee for international students. Again, this is a money-maker for Purdue. Because of its marketing of international students, Purdue is now top ten in America for international students, but one could question why a state university should be so heavily entrenched with international students.

Presumably because it helps them keep in-state tuition and fees at $10-12k.

Wow, that’s so much lower than UVA! What is UVA doing with all its OOS dollars?

Wrong facts. Wrong conclusion.. PP is stating tuition only stats. You should be comparing the "all in" fees which include room, board and travel. That will be your real cost. All-in costs for Purdue is $23,062 and for OOS it is $41,862, which is $1,862 more than in-state UVA. You also need to be aware that each state has it's own system of public schools - some are poor and other systems provide great benefits to its citizens. So you cannot compare them like apples and oranges. Indiana has 6 or 7 public institutions of higher learning. Virginia has well over 34 (includes community colleges). Real estate is cheap in Indiana, not in Charlottesville, Fairfax, Arlington, Williamsburg, etc. (Yes, UVA is buying up noncontiguous parcels where it can - see University of Virginia Foundation.) Food and other costs are much cheaper there, as well. Indiana also has the crisis of a 65 percent drop off of Indiana students applying to college (low incomes) so it is imperative that the in-state student rate be kept as low as possible, hence the need to market heavily to full-pay international students.

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Anonymous wrote:It's true. They would rather take foreigners at 3x the price than your kid. He should apply anyway. The rejections will help him to build resilience for the job market which is this but worse.

Please ignore this xenophobic piece of disinformation. I'm a foreigner, I know other foreigners, and it's just as hard if not harder for our kids to get in. Thank you.

Sorry about the stupid racist above. Foreign students are a net benefit for our universities.

They are not a net benefit to American students though. And American universities should serve American students first and foremost, rather than existing to milk rich foreigners.

Everyone who is there adds value. Having international students at school is a great thing for our kids intellectually.

If there isn’t even enough space for the qualified US students, they should decrease number of international students.

+1

There are more than enough seats in colleges in this country for everyone who wants an education.