Terrible dysfunction at UC administration

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Adequate system for those trapped in CA by why anyone would go there from another state is mind boggling.

Trapped in California? Economic engine of the country, best weather, fewest small-minded dipshits who think living in a hellscape like the mid-Atlantic region is a blessing, but definitely a trap because pikers like you can’t pay afford to pay state income taxes or can’t understand that when an one of your kind says that everyone in California is transgender or that every street in San Francisco has fecal matter paving, its boogeyman hyperbole to make themselves feel better because they can’t afford coastal real estate in California even if they time-shared it.

People here are trolls. There's no way people think that California is podunk, Mississippi while living in Virginia

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Adequate system for those trapped in CA by why anyone would go there from another state is mind boggling.

Trapped in California? Economic engine of the country, best weather, fewest small-minded dipshits who think living in a hellscape like the mid-Atlantic region is a blessing, but definitely a trap because pikers like you can’t pay afford to pay state income taxes or can’t understand that when an one of your kind says that everyone in California is transgender or that every street in San Francisco has fecal matter paving, its boogeyman hyperbole to make themselves feel better because they can’t afford coastal real estate in California even if they time-shared it.

People here are trolls. There's no way people think that California is podunk, Mississippi while living in Virginia

Weird flex for people from DC, MD, or VA to denigrate the quality of life in California. 1/3 would be unemployable without government jobs that wouldn’t even exist without California tax contributions, 1/3 couldn’t afford coastal living in California even if they lived with their parents and grandparents Charlie Bucket-style, and the remaining 1/3 are so deranged by political propaganda, they wouldn’t recognize an idyllic setting if their life depended on it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Didn't read the thread but can assure you: higher ed staff is a mess. They are underpaid, undervalued, high turnover, constant churn and admin dysfunction. It's like this at virtually every school. Don't worry, just grit your teeth.

OMG, this is what I wanted to hear. THANK YOU!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Adequate system for those trapped in CA by why anyone would go there from another state is mind boggling.

Trapped in California? Economic engine of the country, best weather, fewest small-minded dipshits who think living in a hellscape like the mid-Atlantic region is a blessing, but definitely a trap because pikers like you can’t pay afford to pay state income taxes or can’t understand that when an one of your kind says that everyone in California is transgender or that every street in San Francisco has fecal matter paving, its boogeyman hyperbole to make themselves feel better because they can’t afford coastal real estate in California even if they time-shared it.

People here are trolls. There's no way people think that California is podunk, Mississippi while living in Virginia

Weird flex for people from DC, MD, or VA to denigrate the quality of life in California. 1/3 would be unemployable without government jobs that wouldn’t even exist without California tax contributions, 1/3 couldn’t afford coastal living in California even if they lived with their parents and grandparents Charlie Bucket-style, and the remaining 1/3 are so deranged by political propaganda, they wouldn’t recognize an idyllic setting if their life depended on it.

Spot on! Without sucking the teat of US taxpayers supporting it, this area would be totally backwater country.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Adequate system for those trapped in CA by why anyone would go there from another state is mind boggling.

Trapped in California? Economic engine of the country, best weather, fewest small-minded dipshits who think living in a hellscape like the mid-Atlantic region is a blessing, but definitely a trap because pikers like you can’t pay afford to pay state income taxes or can’t understand that when an one of your kind says that everyone in California is transgender or that every street in San Francisco has fecal matter paving, its boogeyman hyperbole to make themselves feel better because they can’t afford coastal real estate in California even if they time-shared it.

People here are trolls. There's no way people think that California is podunk, Mississippi while living in Virginia

Weird flex for people from DC, MD, or VA to denigrate the quality of life in California. 1/3 would be unemployable without government jobs that wouldn’t even exist without California tax contributions, 1/3 couldn’t afford coastal living in California even if they lived with their parents and grandparents Charlie Bucket-style, and the remaining 1/3 are so deranged by political propaganda, they wouldn’t recognize an idyllic setting if their life depended on it.

Spot on! Without sucking the teat of US taxpayers supporting it, this area would be totally backwater country.

Absolutely true.

[Anonymous]

UCs are not worth it for undergraduate studies. With tens of thousands of students, you are a number to the administration and faculty. You will not get access to research and you will be taught by research assistants not professors. If this is the experience you want for your kid, and willing to pay $70,000 a year, then fine and accept the situation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:UCs are not worth it for undergraduate studies. With tens of thousands of students, you are a number to the administration and faculty. You will not get access to research and you will be taught by research assistants not professors. If this is the experience you want for your kid, and willing to pay $70,000 a year, then fine and accept the situation.

Not just here in the U.S. but globally, the UC system is perceived as the gold standard for U.S. public education, and by a large margin. After UCLA and Cal, the drop-off to Michigan, Texas, Washington, UNC, UVA, and Florida is significant (especially globally). Everything else you said is reflective of the experience for a very small group of students who failed to do their part in pursuing the ample opportunities available to everyone in the UCs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:UCs are not worth it for undergraduate studies. With tens of thousands of students, you are a number to the administration and faculty. You will not get access to research and you will be taught by research assistants not professors. If this is the experience you want for your kid, and willing to pay $70,000 a year, then fine and accept the situation.

Not just here in the U.S. but globally, the UC system is perceived as the gold standard for U.S. public education, and by a large margin. After UCLA and Cal, the drop-off to Michigan, Texas, Washington, UNC, UVA, and Florida is significant (especially globally). Everything else you said is reflective of the experience for a very small group of students who failed to do their part in pursuing the ample opportunities available to everyone in the UCs.

This is a common experience for many students not just a very small group of students. The truth is those opportunities are not available to the majority of students because there are just too many students. This is a fact whether you acknowledge it or not. Go to the UCs if you wish to and can afford out of state tuition, but do it with eyes wide open. The weather is great but I don't agree that there is a significant drop-off in the quality of education if you attend other (in state) public schools.

[Anonymous]

As good as the uc’s can be or are reputed to be, end of day they are public schools. In-state tuition, sure. Paying oos tuition, harder sell. Maybe cal or ucla if kid really wants to be in ca & loves the school & didn’t get in anywhere else comparable.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:UCs are not worth it for undergraduate studies. With tens of thousands of students, you are a number to the administration and faculty. You will not get access to research and you will be taught by research assistants not professors. If this is the experience you want for your kid, and willing to pay $70,000 a year, then fine and accept the situation.

Not just here in the U.S. but globally, the UC system is perceived as the gold standard for U.S. public education, and by a large margin. After UCLA and Cal, the drop-off to Michigan, Texas, Washington, UNC, UVA, and Florida is significant (especially globally). Everything else you said is reflective of the experience for a very small group of students who failed to do their part in pursuing the ample opportunities available to everyone in the UCs.

I take issue with this. The UC schools have an excellent reputation for post graduate research. Very few of the hundreds of thousands of students attending a UC have anything to do with this research.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UCs are not worth it for undergraduate studies. With tens of thousands of students, you are a number to the administration and faculty. You will not get access to research and you will be taught by research assistants not professors. If this is the experience you want for your kid, and willing to pay $70,000 a year, then fine and accept the situation.

Not just here in the U.S. but globally, the UC system is perceived as the gold standard for U.S. public education, and by a large margin. After UCLA and Cal, the drop-off to Michigan, Texas, Washington, UNC, UVA, and Florida is significant (especially globally). Everything else you said is reflective of the experience for a very small group of students who failed to do their part in pursuing the ample opportunities available to everyone in the UCs.

I take issue with this. The UC schools have an excellent reputation for post graduate research. Very few of the hundreds of thousands of students attending a UC have anything to do with this research.

PP here. I have EXTENSIVE personal experience over the past 25 years at one of the top UC campuses, with dual appointment on the clinical side. Across multiple labs, I have personally supervised junior faculty, postdocs, project scientists, grad students, and yes, dozens of undergrad students.

Most of my colleagues staff their labs the same way, with undergrad students forming an essential layer of research assistance. Lab manager, no. But not a year has passed where I didn’t have at least 4-5 undergrad students working in my labels throughout the year.

You appear to have limited knowledge of the subject matter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UCs are not worth it for undergraduate studies. With tens of thousands of students, you are a number to the administration and faculty. You will not get access to research and you will be taught by research assistants not professors. If this is the experience you want for your kid, and willing to pay $70,000 a year, then fine and accept the situation.

Not just here in the U.S. but globally, the UC system is perceived as the gold standard for U.S. public education, and by a large margin. After UCLA and Cal, the drop-off to Michigan, Texas, Washington, UNC, UVA, and Florida is significant (especially globally). Everything else you said is reflective of the experience for a very small group of students who failed to do their part in pursuing the ample opportunities available to everyone in the UCs.

I take issue with this. The UC schools have an excellent reputation for post graduate research. Very few of the hundreds of thousands of students attending a UC have anything to do with this research.

PP here. I have EXTENSIVE personal experience over the past 25 years at one of the top UC campuses, with dual appointment on the clinical side. Across multiple labs, I have personally supervised junior faculty, postdocs, project scientists, grad students, and yes, dozens of undergrad students.

Most of my colleagues staff their labs the same way, with undergrad students forming an essential layer of research assistance. Lab manager, no. But not a year has passed where I didn’t have at least 4-5 undergrad students working in my labels throughout the year.

You appear to have limited knowledge of the subject matter.

A whole 4 to 5 out of how many undergrads? I didn’t say no undergrad students worked in labs only most don’t. Assume a thousand undergrad students work in labs at ucla in any given year. We can even assume 2000, although that’s unlikely. It would still be the case that more than 90 percent of ucla undergrads aren’t working on such research.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UCs are not worth it for undergraduate studies. With tens of thousands of students, you are a number to the administration and faculty. You will not get access to research and you will be taught by research assistants not professors. If this is the experience you want for your kid, and willing to pay $70,000 a year, then fine and accept the situation.

Not just here in the U.S. but globally, the UC system is perceived as the gold standard for U.S. public education, and by a large margin. After UCLA and Cal, the drop-off to Michigan, Texas, Washington, UNC, UVA, and Florida is significant (especially globally). Everything else you said is reflective of the experience for a very small group of students who failed to do their part in pursuing the ample opportunities available to everyone in the UCs.

I take issue with this. The UC schools have an excellent reputation for post graduate research. Very few of the hundreds of thousands of students attending a UC have anything to do with this research.

PP here. I have EXTENSIVE personal experience over the past 25 years at one of the top UC campuses, with dual appointment on the clinical side. Across multiple labs, I have personally supervised junior faculty, postdocs, project scientists, grad students, and yes, dozens of undergrad students.

Most of my colleagues staff their labs the same way, with undergrad students forming an essential layer of research assistance. Lab manager, no. But not a year has passed where I didn’t have at least 4-5 undergrad students working in my labels throughout the year.

You appear to have limited knowledge of the subject matter.

A whole 4 to 5 out of how many undergrads? I didn’t say no undergrad students worked in labs only most don’t. Assume a thousand undergrad students work in labs at ucla in any given year. We can even assume 2000, although that’s unlikely. It would still be the case that more than 90 percent of ucla undergrads aren’t working on such research.

Exactly right.

4 to 5 students says nothing. How many applications were there? How many kids want to do research but are turned away?

Ironic that the researcher with "EXTENSIVE personal experience" doesn't have the data analysis skills to realize how stupid their argument is. (And this person is supervising faculty, postdocs, and scientists!)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:UCs are not worth it for undergraduate studies. With tens of thousands of students, you are a number to the administration and faculty. You will not get access to research and you will be taught by research assistants not professors. If this is the experience you want for your kid, and willing to pay $70,000 a year, then fine and accept the situation.

If you can't get into a research lab at a public university, you might just be bad at your subject or a complete idiot at talking to others. It is very easy compared to smaller colleges where you have to pull teeth and constantly keep in touch with a professor for them to even begin considering you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UCs are not worth it for undergraduate studies. With tens of thousands of students, you are a number to the administration and faculty. You will not get access to research and you will be taught by research assistants not professors. If this is the experience you want for your kid, and willing to pay $70,000 a year, then fine and accept the situation.

If you can't get into a research lab at a public university, you might just be bad at your subject or a complete idiot at talking to others. It is very easy compared to smaller colleges where you have to pull teeth and constantly keep in touch with a professor for them to even begin considering you.

And yet smaller colleges rank much higher in grads that go on to earn STEM PhDs, which often requires working closely with faculty on research.