Who is WASP (Williams, Amherst, Swat, Pomona) for?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Who cares? These are tiny schools with limited impact.

Not when it comes to grad school admissions, for which the majority are planning.

At least for law school, where you went to undergrad is of almost no importance beyond your ability to get sincere and personalized letters of recommendation. My understanding is that it’s the same for med school. And I say this as a WASP alum.

My understanding for doctoral programs is that research experience is key. As long as you go somewhere that prioritizes research experience for undergrads, then you have what you need for doctoral programs. I know less about this than law and med school.

I believe that you are sincere but everything that you mentioned is incorrect, especially for top grad, med, law schools.

I’m PP. I went to a T14 law school. Where you went to undergrad really does not matter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who cares? These are tiny schools with limited impact.

Not when it comes to grad school admissions, for which the majority are planning.

At least for law school, where you went to undergrad is of almost no importance beyond your ability to get sincere and personalized letters of recommendation. My understanding is that it’s the same for med school. And I say this as a WASP alum.

My understanding for doctoral programs is that research experience is key. As long as you go somewhere that prioritizes research experience for undergrads, then you have what you need for doctoral programs. I know less about this than law and med school.

I believe that you are sincere but everything that you mentioned is incorrect, especially for top grad, med, law schools.

I’m PP. I went to a T14 law school. Where you went to undergrad really does not matter.

There is such a thing as feeders, my friend. They are alive and well, and still represent the majority of T-10 grad admissions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ivy rejects.

As an Ivy reject at a WASP, you're not wrong, but I'll be working a job most Ivy League students only dream of after I graduate, with coworkers mostly from Ivies + WASP + etc. I don't think I missed out on much.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who cares? These are tiny schools with limited impact.

Not when it comes to grad school admissions, for which the majority are planning.

At least for law school, where you went to undergrad is of almost no importance beyond your ability to get sincere and personalized letters of recommendation. My understanding is that it’s the same for med school. And I say this as a WASP alum.

My understanding for doctoral programs is that research experience is key. As long as you go somewhere that prioritizes research experience for undergrads, then you have what you need for doctoral programs. I know less about this than law and med school.

I believe that you are sincere but everything that you mentioned is incorrect, especially for top grad, med, law schools.

I’m PP. I went to a T14 law school. Where you went to undergrad really does not matter.

There is such a thing as feeders, my friend. They are alive and well, and still represent the majority of T-10 grad admissions.

I don't know about med school, but for PhD admissions, the 'feeder' phenomenon is not important. You need great grades and great scores (at the very minimum), strong research, and compelling recommendations. Such recommendations can come from SLACs or scholars at larger universities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who cares? These are tiny schools with limited impact.

Not when it comes to grad school admissions, for which the majority are planning.

At least for law school, where you went to undergrad is of almost no importance beyond your ability to get sincere and personalized letters of recommendation. My understanding is that it’s the same for med school. And I say this as a WASP alum.

My understanding for doctoral programs is that research experience is key. As long as you go somewhere that prioritizes research experience for undergrads, then you have what you need for doctoral programs. I know less about this than law and med school.

I believe that you are sincere but everything that you mentioned is incorrect, especially for top grad, med, law schools.

I’m PP. I went to a T14 law school. Where you went to undergrad really does not matter.

There is such a thing as feeders, my friend. They are alive and well, and still represent the majority of T-10 grad admissions.

Correlation is not causation. Grades and LSAT are the best predictors of admission. Plenty of people from god awful directional universities go to T14s. Arguably HYPSM gives you a small boost. General consensus is that undergrad otherwise does not matter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who cares? These are tiny schools with limited impact.

Not when it comes to grad school admissions, for which the majority are planning.

At least for law school, where you went to undergrad is of almost no importance beyond your ability to get sincere and personalized letters of recommendation. My understanding is that it’s the same for med school. And I say this as a WASP alum.

My understanding for doctoral programs is that research experience is key. As long as you go somewhere that prioritizes research experience for undergrads, then you have what you need for doctoral programs. I know less about this than law and med school.

I believe that you are sincere but everything that you mentioned is incorrect, especially for top grad, med, law schools.

I’m PP. I went to a T14 law school. Where you went to undergrad really does not matter.

There is such a thing as feeders, my friend. They are alive and well, and still represent the majority of T-10 grad admissions.

Correlation is not causation. Grades and LSAT are the best predictors of admission. Plenty of people from god awful directional universities go to T14s. Arguably HYPSM gives you a small boost. General consensus is that undergrad otherwise does not matter.

Top law school feeders, adjusted for college size, together with the top two matriculations for each:

1 Yale University 3079 Harvard Law School Yale Law School
2 Amherst College 685 Harvard Law School Georgetown University Law Center
3 Harvard University 3651 Harvard Law School Yale Law School
4 Princeton University 1918 Harvard Law School University of Virginia School of Law
5 Stanford University 2336 UC Berkeley School of Law Stanford Law School
6 Dartmouth College 1398 Harvard Law School University of Virginia School of Law
7 Williams College 611 Harvard Law School Georgetown University Law Center
8 Duke University 1889 Duke University School of Law Harvard Law School
9 Columbia University 2241 Columbia Law School Harvard Law School
10 Georgetown University 1805 Georgetown University Law Center Harvard Law School
11 Swarthmore College 352 Harvard Law School University of Pennsylvania Carey Law School
12 Haverford College 295 Harvard Law School Georgetown University Law Center
13 Brown University 1480 Harvard Law School Georgetown University Law Center
14 Pomona College 320 UC Berkeley School of Law Harvard Law School
15 St. John's College

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who cares? These are tiny schools with limited impact.

Not when it comes to grad school admissions, for which the majority are planning.

At least for law school, where you went to undergrad is of almost no importance beyond your ability to get sincere and personalized letters of recommendation. My understanding is that it’s the same for med school. And I say this as a WASP alum.

My understanding for doctoral programs is that research experience is key. As long as you go somewhere that prioritizes research experience for undergrads, then you have what you need for doctoral programs. I know less about this than law and med school.

I believe that you are sincere but everything that you mentioned is incorrect, especially for top grad, med, law schools.

I’m PP. I went to a T14 law school. Where you went to undergrad really does not matter.

There is such a thing as feeders, my friend. They are alive and well, and still represent the majority of T-10 grad admissions.

Correlation is not causation. Grades and LSAT are the best predictors of admission. Plenty of people from god awful directional universities go to T14s. Arguably HYPSM gives you a small boost. General consensus is that undergrad otherwise does not matter.

Top law school feeders, adjusted for college size, together with the top two matriculations for each:

1 Yale University 3079 Harvard Law School Yale Law School
2 Amherst College 685 Harvard Law School Georgetown University Law Center
3 Harvard University 3651 Harvard Law School Yale Law School
4 Princeton University 1918 Harvard Law School University of Virginia School of Law
5 Stanford University 2336 UC Berkeley School of Law Stanford Law School
6 Dartmouth College 1398 Harvard Law School University of Virginia School of Law
7 Williams College 611 Harvard Law School Georgetown University Law Center
8 Duke University 1889 Duke University School of Law Harvard Law School
9 Columbia University 2241 Columbia Law School Harvard Law School
10 Georgetown University 1805 Georgetown University Law Center Harvard Law School
11 Swarthmore College 352 Harvard Law School University of Pennsylvania Carey Law School
12 Haverford College 295 Harvard Law School Georgetown University Law Center
13 Brown University 1480 Harvard Law School Georgetown University Law Center
14 Pomona College 320 UC Berkeley School of Law Harvard Law School
15 St. John's College

I can’t think of a single factor important to law school admissions that would correlate with attendance at these schools!!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who cares? These are tiny schools with limited impact.

Not when it comes to grad school admissions, for which the majority are planning.

At least for law school, where you went to undergrad is of almost no importance beyond your ability to get sincere and personalized letters of recommendation. My understanding is that it’s the same for med school. And I say this as a WASP alum.

My understanding for doctoral programs is that research experience is key. As long as you go somewhere that prioritizes research experience for undergrads, then you have what you need for doctoral programs. I know less about this than law and med school.

I believe that you are sincere but everything that you mentioned is incorrect, especially for top grad, med, law schools.

I’m PP. I went to a T14 law school. Where you went to undergrad really does not matter.

There is such a thing as feeders, my friend. They are alive and well, and still represent the majority of T-10 grad admissions.

Correlation is not causation. Grades and LSAT are the best predictors of admission. Plenty of people from god awful directional universities go to T14s. Arguably HYPSM gives you a small boost. General consensus is that undergrad otherwise does not matter.

Top law school feeders, adjusted for college size, together with the top two matriculations for each:

1 Yale University 3079 Harvard Law School Yale Law School
2 Amherst College 685 Harvard Law School Georgetown University Law Center
3 Harvard University 3651 Harvard Law School Yale Law School
4 Princeton University 1918 Harvard Law School University of Virginia School of Law
5 Stanford University 2336 UC Berkeley School of Law Stanford Law School
6 Dartmouth College 1398 Harvard Law School University of Virginia School of Law
7 Williams College 611 Harvard Law School Georgetown University Law Center
8 Duke University 1889 Duke University School of Law Harvard Law School
9 Columbia University 2241 Columbia Law School Harvard Law School
10 Georgetown University 1805 Georgetown University Law Center Harvard Law School
11 Swarthmore College 352 Harvard Law School University of Pennsylvania Carey Law School
12 Haverford College 295 Harvard Law School Georgetown University Law Center
13 Brown University 1480 Harvard Law School Georgetown University Law Center
14 Pomona College 320 UC Berkeley School of Law Harvard Law School
15 St. John's College

I can’t think of a single factor important to law school admissions that would correlate with attendance at these schools!!!

I guess you have to think harder.

[Anonymous]

excellent sheep

[Anonymous]

I’m a WASP grad who attended a T-14 law school. I think I had a much better undergraduate experience than some of my law school classmates who attended Ivies for undergrad. They were impressed that I remained in touch with so many of my undergrad classmates.

[Anonymous]

I think of Williams and Amherst in a similar way - small school with sporty kids with big percentage of recruited athletes. I think they both have a good job pipelines for athletes. Swat is pretty nerdy and intense but close to a city. Pomona is a small school but shares campus with 4 other schools (pitzer, cmc, scripps, harveymudd) so kids have academic and social options. Pomona not popular or as well known on the east coast.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think of Williams and Amherst in a similar way - small school with sporty kids with big percentage of recruited athletes. I think they both have a good job pipelines for athletes. Swat is pretty nerdy and intense but close to a city. Pomona is a small school but shares campus with 4 other schools (pitzer, cmc, scripps, harveymudd) so kids have academic and social options. Pomona not popular or as well known on the east coast.

I mean, I dont think anyone cares what you - or I - think. But these schools have some of the best financial aid and most to spend per kid. For example, my own kid got more aid from williams than my older one got from Princeton (when we had two in college at same time, filing identical numbers). Also, my own williams kid stopped playing sports in 3rd grade, but that didn't mean he was isolated. He hiked, played tennis with friends, took up running for a little while. It can be outdoorsy when it's not winter, but it's winter a lot. He went skiing one or two weekends a year. Generally they're there for opportunities. Academics are at the forefront. And he had internships started summer after freshman year. It's got real networks. In many ways, it was easy to get into clubs and thus internships than Princeton. But .. like I said, nobody cares about our feelings. Pomona, for example, is very well known where I am on the east coast and popular

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ivy rejects.

As an Ivy reject at a WASP, you're not wrong, but I'll be working a job most Ivy League students only dream of after I graduate, with coworkers mostly from Ivies + WASP + etc. I don't think I missed out on much.

Let’s just say that Ivy admits who chose WASP (and there are many) don’t have the same chip on their shoulder.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ivy rejects.

As an Ivy reject at a WASP, you're not wrong, but I'll be working a job most Ivy League students only dream of after I graduate, with coworkers mostly from Ivies + WASP + etc. I don't think I missed out on much.

Let’s just say that Ivy admits who chose WASP (and there are many) don’t have the same chip on their shoulder.

If you think I have a chip on my shoulder, you'd have a doozy meeting the students in my class who came here over Ivies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ivy rejects.

As an Ivy reject at a WASP, you're not wrong, but I'll be working a job most Ivy League students only dream of after I graduate, with coworkers mostly from Ivies + WASP + etc. I don't think I missed out on much.

Let’s just say that Ivy admits who chose WASP (and there are many) don’t have the same chip on their shoulder.

haha this exactly! but the population of ivy admits who choose WASP is very very small (cue the DCUM person who chose Williams over Yale in 1983!)