Student Stratification at Selective High Schools

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:+100. I'm not sure if standards are falling at JR, but they are at Walls for two key reasons. As we know, students who wouldn't have been admitted pre-Covid are getting in, particularly kids who don't work at grade level for math, and the post pandemic principal is an empty suit. She doesn't hold her teachers accountable like the previous head did.

Walls parents don't move. They hang around supplementing or pretending that the program is on a par with strong suburban programs. With Affirmative Action supposedly gone in college admissions, Walls is coming under new pressure to better prepare low and moderate minority students for college rigor. They're just not up to the challenge.

As a MCPS teacher, I can tell you that standards are falling everywhere. Unfortunate but true. Kids barely have any concentration or focus any more possibly due to mindless swiping on their phones. We need to get cell phones out of schools. I have heard that Banneker uses cell phone lockers to keep phones out of the classroom. Every school should be doing that

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not buying above. I used to teach BCC International Baccalaureate humanities classes (not technically a magnet program) and have done volunteer work at Walls. From what I've observed, IBD BCC is head and shoulders above Walls academically. For example, Walls doesn't teach languages past the AP level while BCC does in half a dozen languages and BCC's IBD writing classes offer maybe triple the rigor of those at Walls. DMV teens can become independent without DCPS chaos and the obsession with equity vs. achievement.

What volunteer work have you done at walls that gives you such insight into the school? Honest question because I work there and there are very few volunteers.

There’s a repeat poster around here who bashes DCPS on the grounds of “volunteer work” they once did.

As with most threads on DCPS it seems to come down to the other suburban schools having fewer poor kids and college-bound kids being the majority.

Say could that repeat poster be you?

You're one of the posters who jumps on every Walls thread to reflexively deny DCPS' obvious, egregious and eminently preventable low capacity and lack of political will to challenge its highest-performing students. I call BS on the crux of the problem being suburban schools having "fewer poor kids" and "college-bound kids being the majority." What we see in DCPS is the result of more than half a century of dismal policy decisions not to prioritize learning for the strongest students, low-income, middle-income and high-income alike.

You can't possibly be the product of an urban magnet high school where most students have been low SES yet college-bound students are in the majority, make that elite college bound. Nobody educated at a NYC magnet, like my spouse and I, would post such blather.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not buying above. I used to teach BCC International Baccalaureate humanities classes (not technically a magnet program) and have done volunteer work at Walls. From what I've observed, IBD BCC is head and shoulders above Walls academically. For example, Walls doesn't teach languages past the AP level while BCC does in half a dozen languages and BCC's IBD writing classes offer maybe triple the rigor of those at Walls. DMV teens can become independent without DCPS chaos and the obsession with equity vs. achievement.

What volunteer work have you done at walls that gives you such insight into the school? Honest question because I work there and there are very few volunteers.

There’s a repeat poster around here who bashes DCPS on the grounds of “volunteer work” they once did.

As with most threads on DCPS it seems to come down to the other suburban schools having fewer poor kids and college-bound kids being the majority.

Nope, you obviously have not looked at the stats. Walls only has about 6% at risk and is nowhere close the the magnet powerhouse schools in the burbs. Not by a long shot.

[Anonymous]

+1000. Walls is an UMC enclave that can't begin to complete with TJ, Montgomery Blair, Washington Liberty IB Diploma etc. etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not buying above. I used to teach BCC International Baccalaureate humanities classes (not technically a magnet program) and have done volunteer work at Walls. From what I've observed, IBD BCC is head and shoulders above Walls academically. For example, Walls doesn't teach languages past the AP level while BCC does in half a dozen languages and BCC's IBD writing classes offer maybe triple the rigor of those at Walls. DMV teens can become independent without DCPS chaos and the obsession with equity vs. achievement.

What volunteer work have you done at walls that gives you such insight into the school? Honest question because I work there and there are very few volunteers.

There’s a repeat poster around here who bashes DCPS on the grounds of “volunteer work” they once did.

As with most threads on DCPS it seems to come down to the other suburban schools having fewer poor kids and college-bound kids being the majority.

Say could that repeat poster be you?

You're one of the posters who jumps on every Walls thread to reflexively deny DCPS' obvious, egregious and eminently preventable low capacity and lack of political will to challenge its highest-performing students. I call BS on the crux of the problem being suburban schools having "fewer poor kids" and "college-bound kids being the majority." What we see in DCPS is the result of more than half a century of dismal policy decisions not to prioritize learning for the strongest students, low-income, middle-income and high-income alike.

You can't possibly be the product of an urban magnet high school where most students have been low SES yet college-bound students are in the majority, make that elite college bound. Nobody educated at a NYC magnet, like my spouse and I, would post such blather.

obviously the demographics at Walls vs Stuy are very different. but yeah if you come here obsessively to bash DCPS instead of just exercising your exit option you’re kind of a loser?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not buying above. I used to teach BCC International Baccalaureate humanities classes (not technically a magnet program) and have done volunteer work at Walls. From what I've observed, IBD BCC is head and shoulders above Walls academically. For example, Walls doesn't teach languages past the AP level while BCC does in half a dozen languages and BCC's IBD writing classes offer maybe triple the rigor of those at Walls. DMV teens can become independent without DCPS chaos and the obsession with equity vs. achievement.

What volunteer work have you done at walls that gives you such insight into the school? Honest question because I work there and there are very few volunteers.

There’s a repeat poster around here who bashes DCPS on the grounds of “volunteer work” they once did.

As with most threads on DCPS it seems to come down to the other suburban schools having fewer poor kids and college-bound kids being the majority.

Nope, you obviously have not looked at the stats. Walls only has about 6% at risk and is nowhere close the the magnet powerhouse schools in the burbs. Not by a long shot.

Walls isn’t a powerhouse magnet and I don’t think it claimed to ever be. And the people on here whining about Walls probably don’t have the type of kid to get admitted to Blair anyway so 🤷 If your kid can get into Blair go with god and enjoy MCPS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:+1000. Walls is an UMC enclave that can't begin to complete with TJ, Montgomery Blair, Washington Liberty IB Diploma etc. etc.

lol. yer kid isn’t getting into TJ. If they were you wouldn’t be here crying. what you’re really mad about is that you don’t live zoned for a W school. And no I don’t think a W school is self-evidently superior to Walls.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not buying above. I used to teach BCC International Baccalaureate humanities classes (not technically a magnet program) and have done volunteer work at Walls. From what I've observed, IBD BCC is head and shoulders above Walls academically. For example, Walls doesn't teach languages past the AP level while BCC does in half a dozen languages and BCC's IBD writing classes offer maybe triple the rigor of those at Walls. DMV teens can become independent without DCPS chaos and the obsession with equity vs. achievement.

What volunteer work have you done at walls that gives you such insight into the school? Honest question because I work there and there are very few volunteers.

There’s a repeat poster around here who bashes DCPS on the grounds of “volunteer work” they once did.

As with most threads on DCPS it seems to come down to the other suburban schools having fewer poor kids and college-bound kids being the majority.

Nope, you obviously have not looked at the stats. Walls only has about 6% at risk and is nowhere close the the magnet powerhouse schools in the burbs. Not by a long shot.

Walls isn’t a powerhouse magnet and I don’t think it claimed to ever be. And the people on here whining about Walls probably don’t have the type of kid to get admitted to Blair anyway so 🤷 If your kid can get into Blair go with god and enjoy MCPS.

Of course there are kids at Walls who can get into Blair. Lots of amazing kids from highly educated parents from ward 3. Same kids profile as those at Blair. These families can’t afford the high price of privates in this town and Walls is their best but suboptimal option.

People like you who make excuses and refuse to acknowledge the huge problems in this town where educational standards are not up to par for high achieving kids are part of the problem.

BTW you have really missed the point here. Walls is supposed to be the best selective school in this town and the equivalent would be a magnet in MCPS. But one thing I agree with you is yes it’s no powerhouse magnet, so far below it. So where is the equivalent educational opportunity for kids in the city? NONE

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not buying above. I used to teach BCC International Baccalaureate humanities classes (not technically a magnet program) and have done volunteer work at Walls. From what I've observed, IBD BCC is head and shoulders above Walls academically. For example, Walls doesn't teach languages past the AP level while BCC does in half a dozen languages and BCC's IBD writing classes offer maybe triple the rigor of those at Walls. DMV teens can become independent without DCPS chaos and the obsession with equity vs. achievement.

What volunteer work have you done at walls that gives you such insight into the school? Honest question because I work there and there are very few volunteers.

There’s a repeat poster around here who bashes DCPS on the grounds of “volunteer work” they once did.

As with most threads on DCPS it seems to come down to the other suburban schools having fewer poor kids and college-bound kids being the majority.

Say could that repeat poster be you?

You're one of the posters who jumps on every Walls thread to reflexively deny DCPS' obvious, egregious and eminently preventable low capacity and lack of political will to challenge its highest-performing students. I call BS on the crux of the problem being suburban schools having "fewer poor kids" and "college-bound kids being the majority." What we see in DCPS is the result of more than half a century of dismal policy decisions not to prioritize learning for the strongest students, low-income, middle-income and high-income alike.

You can't possibly be the product of an urban magnet high school where most students have been low SES yet college-bound students are in the majority, make that elite college bound. Nobody educated at a NYC magnet, like my spouse and I, would post such blather.

OMG. The NYC magnet grad posts again to re-explain to us that Hunter College is better than Walls.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not buying above. I used to teach BCC International Baccalaureate humanities classes (not technically a magnet program) and have done volunteer work at Walls. From what I've observed, IBD BCC is head and shoulders above Walls academically. For example, Walls doesn't teach languages past the AP level while BCC does in half a dozen languages and BCC's IBD writing classes offer maybe triple the rigor of those at Walls. DMV teens can become independent without DCPS chaos and the obsession with equity vs. achievement.

What volunteer work have you done at walls that gives you such insight into the school? Honest question because I work there and there are very few volunteers.

There’s a repeat poster around here who bashes DCPS on the grounds of “volunteer work” they once did.

As with most threads on DCPS it seems to come down to the other suburban schools having fewer poor kids and college-bound kids being the majority.

Nope, you obviously have not looked at the stats. Walls only has about 6% at risk and is nowhere close the the magnet powerhouse schools in the burbs. Not by a long shot.

Walls isn’t a powerhouse magnet and I don’t think it claimed to ever be. And the people on here whining about Walls probably don’t have the type of kid to get admitted to Blair anyway so 🤷 If your kid can get into Blair go with god and enjoy MCPS.

Blair magnet is only 100 kids a year. The school is much larger: over 3200 kids total.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not buying above. I used to teach BCC International Baccalaureate humanities classes (not technically a magnet program) and have done volunteer work at Walls. From what I've observed, IBD BCC is head and shoulders above Walls academically. For example, Walls doesn't teach languages past the AP level while BCC does in half a dozen languages and BCC's IBD writing classes offer maybe triple the rigor of those at Walls. DMV teens can become independent without DCPS chaos and the obsession with equity vs. achievement.

What volunteer work have you done at walls that gives you such insight into the school? Honest question because I work there and there are very few volunteers.

There’s a repeat poster around here who bashes DCPS on the grounds of “volunteer work” they once did.

As with most threads on DCPS it seems to come down to the other suburban schools having fewer poor kids and college-bound kids being the majority.

Say could that repeat poster be you?

You're one of the posters who jumps on every Walls thread to reflexively deny DCPS' obvious, egregious and eminently preventable low capacity and lack of political will to challenge its highest-performing students. I call BS on the crux of the problem being suburban schools having "fewer poor kids" and "college-bound kids being the majority." What we see in DCPS is the result of more than half a century of dismal policy decisions not to prioritize learning for the strongest students, low-income, middle-income and high-income alike.

You can't possibly be the product of an urban magnet high school where most students have been low SES yet college-bound students are in the majority, make that elite college bound. Nobody educated at a NYC magnet, like my spouse and I, would post such blather.

obviously the demographics at Walls vs Stuy are very different. but yeah if you come here obsessively to bash DCPS instead of just exercising your exit option you’re kind of a loser?

DP. DCPS fully deserves to be bashed and why do families need to move out of DC to get what their kids need educationally? This is especially true when DC has one of the highest dollar expenditure per student in this country.

It’s laughable but I would say that you are a loser in not understanding that high achieving can also be synonymous with low SES and it’s no excuse to use it as a justification and crutch for all the overwhelming failures of DCPS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not buying above. I used to teach BCC International Baccalaureate humanities classes (not technically a magnet program) and have done volunteer work at Walls. From what I've observed, IBD BCC is head and shoulders above Walls academically. For example, Walls doesn't teach languages past the AP level while BCC does in half a dozen languages and BCC's IBD writing classes offer maybe triple the rigor of those at Walls. DMV teens can become independent without DCPS chaos and the obsession with equity vs. achievement.

What volunteer work have you done at walls that gives you such insight into the school? Honest question because I work there and there are very few volunteers.

There’s a repeat poster around here who bashes DCPS on the grounds of “volunteer work” they once did.

As with most threads on DCPS it seems to come down to the other suburban schools having fewer poor kids and college-bound kids being the majority.

Nope, you obviously have not looked at the stats. Walls only has about 6% at risk and is nowhere close the the magnet powerhouse schools in the burbs. Not by a long shot.

Walls isn’t a powerhouse magnet and I don’t think it claimed to ever be. And the people on here whining about Walls probably don’t have the type of kid to get admitted to Blair anyway so 🤷 If your kid can get into Blair go with god and enjoy MCPS.

Of course there are kids at Walls who can get into Blair. Lots of amazing kids from highly educated parents from ward 3. Same kids profile as those at Blair. These families can’t afford the high price of privates in this town and Walls is their best but suboptimal option.

People like you who make excuses and refuse to acknowledge the huge problems in this town where educational standards are not up to par for high achieving kids are part of the problem.

BTW you have really missed the point here. Walls is supposed to be the best selective school in this town and the equivalent would be a magnet in MCPS. But one thing I agree with you is yes it’s no powerhouse magnet, so far below it. So where is the equivalent educational opportunity for kids in the city? NONE

Why are you tilting at windmills for the Walls kids you deem should be at Blair? They are at Walls - their parents know how to get to MoCo if they want.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not buying above. I used to teach BCC International Baccalaureate humanities classes (not technically a magnet program) and have done volunteer work at Walls. From what I've observed, IBD BCC is head and shoulders above Walls academically. For example, Walls doesn't teach languages past the AP level while BCC does in half a dozen languages and BCC's IBD writing classes offer maybe triple the rigor of those at Walls. DMV teens can become independent without DCPS chaos and the obsession with equity vs. achievement.

What volunteer work have you done at walls that gives you such insight into the school? Honest question because I work there and there are very few volunteers.

There’s a repeat poster around here who bashes DCPS on the grounds of “volunteer work” they once did.

As with most threads on DCPS it seems to come down to the other suburban schools having fewer poor kids and college-bound kids being the majority.

Say could that repeat poster be you?

You're one of the posters who jumps on every Walls thread to reflexively deny DCPS' obvious, egregious and eminently preventable low capacity and lack of political will to challenge its highest-performing students. I call BS on the crux of the problem being suburban schools having "fewer poor kids" and "college-bound kids being the majority." What we see in DCPS is the result of more than half a century of dismal policy decisions not to prioritize learning for the strongest students, low-income, middle-income and high-income alike.

You can't possibly be the product of an urban magnet high school where most students have been low SES yet college-bound students are in the majority, make that elite college bound. Nobody educated at a NYC magnet, like my spouse and I, would post such blather.

OMG. The NYC magnet grad posts again to re-explain to us that Hunter College is better than Walls.

Yeesh. I know a kid starting at Hunter and they would likely be better off at Walls.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not buying above. I used to teach BCC International Baccalaureate humanities classes (not technically a magnet program) and have done volunteer work at Walls. From what I've observed, IBD BCC is head and shoulders above Walls academically. For example, Walls doesn't teach languages past the AP level while BCC does in half a dozen languages and BCC's IBD writing classes offer maybe triple the rigor of those at Walls. DMV teens can become independent without DCPS chaos and the obsession with equity vs. achievement.

What volunteer work have you done at walls that gives you such insight into the school? Honest question because I work there and there are very few volunteers.

There’s a repeat poster around here who bashes DCPS on the grounds of “volunteer work” they once did.

As with most threads on DCPS it seems to come down to the other suburban schools having fewer poor kids and college-bound kids being the majority.

Nope, you obviously have not looked at the stats. Walls only has about 6% at risk and is nowhere close the the magnet powerhouse schools in the burbs. Not by a long shot.

Walls isn’t a powerhouse magnet and I don’t think it claimed to ever be. And the people on here whining about Walls probably don’t have the type of kid to get admitted to Blair anyway so 🤷 If your kid can get into Blair go with god and enjoy MCPS.

Of course there are kids at Walls who can get into Blair. Lots of amazing kids from highly educated parents from ward 3. Same kids profile as those at Blair. These families can’t afford the high price of privates in this town and Walls is their best but suboptimal option.

People like you who make excuses and refuse to acknowledge the huge problems in this town where educational standards are not up to par for high achieving kids are part of the problem.

BTW you have really missed the point here. Walls is supposed to be the best selective school in this town and the equivalent would be a magnet in MCPS. But one thing I agree with you is yes it’s no powerhouse magnet, so far below it. So where is the equivalent educational opportunity for kids in the city? NONE

NP but why did you add Ward 3 in your otherwise pretty good comment? I know DCUM is totally biased against Walls without the test but there are amazing kids from EVERY ward in this city attending Walls.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not buying above. I used to teach BCC International Baccalaureate humanities classes (not technically a magnet program) and have done volunteer work at Walls. From what I've observed, IBD BCC is head and shoulders above Walls academically. For example, Walls doesn't teach languages past the AP level while BCC does in half a dozen languages and BCC's IBD writing classes offer maybe triple the rigor of those at Walls. DMV teens can become independent without DCPS chaos and the obsession with equity vs. achievement.

What volunteer work have you done at walls that gives you such insight into the school? Honest question because I work there and there are very few volunteers.

There’s a repeat poster around here who bashes DCPS on the grounds of “volunteer work” they once did.

As with most threads on DCPS it seems to come down to the other suburban schools having fewer poor kids and college-bound kids being the majority.

Say could that repeat poster be you?

You're one of the posters who jumps on every Walls thread to reflexively deny DCPS' obvious, egregious and eminently preventable low capacity and lack of political will to challenge its highest-performing students. I call BS on the crux of the problem being suburban schools having "fewer poor kids" and "college-bound kids being the majority." What we see in DCPS is the result of more than half a century of dismal policy decisions not to prioritize learning for the strongest students, low-income, middle-income and high-income alike.

You can't possibly be the product of an urban magnet high school where most students have been low SES yet college-bound students are in the majority, make that elite college bound. Nobody educated at a NYC magnet, like my spouse and I, would post such blather.

OMG. The NYC magnet grad posts again to re-explain to us that Hunter College is better than Walls.

Yeesh. I know a kid starting at Hunter and they would likely be better off at Walls.

How are these schools even comparable? They’re in different cities. No one is moving to NYC for their kid to go to Hunter or Stuy! This is a DCPS discussion. Different city. Different families. Different kids.