BOE - who are people voting for?

[Anonymous]

Having watched BOE meetings, very few ask questions or followup, other than an occasional question for clarification. Either BOE hasn't done homework/research to know what exactly they should be asking; CO tells not to ask certain type of questions or any; or trying to keep peace in board room by not asking(!). If you follow the meetings, it may make you want to vote for outsiders such as those mentioned on this thread. By voting Apple, you are asking for more of the same. But, ask yourself, do you want a '16 U.S. Presidential general election type outcome by voting for the [two] outsiders talked about here? If they win, we will not be voting in the other half of BOE for another few years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Having watched BOE meetings, very few ask questions or followup, other than an occasional question for clarification. Either BOE hasn't done homework/research to know what exactly they should be asking; CO tells not to ask certain type of questions or any; or trying to keep peace in board room by not asking(!). If you follow the meetings, it may make you want to vote for outsiders such as those mentioned on this thread. By voting Apple, you are asking for more of the same. But, ask yourself, do you want a '16 U.S. Presidential general election type outcome by voting for the [two] outsiders talked about here? If they win, we will not be voting in the other half of BOE for another few years.

Or the BOE members apologize and insist they know how hard the MCPS staff are working, even though it's clear the staff in question are fumbling or have seriously dropped the ball.

There's a strange propensity among the BOE to apologize for even performing their basic oversight functions as board members.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It sort of boils down to 3 groups of choices (District 2,4, at-large):
1. Incumbents - Smondrowski, Evans, Harris
2. Apple ballot (teacher's union endorsed) - Zimerman, Stewart, Montoya
3. Rebels: Diaz, Mandel, Mofor

Sorry, couldn't come up with a better name for group 3, but they are all sort of consistent in wanting big change, SROs back in schools, and stuff like that.

So if you like how things are going, vote group 1.

If you like the teacher's union (keep in mind their 2022 apple ballot picks currently sit on the board, but aren't up for election this cycle), vote group 2.

If you think big changes are needed, vote group 3.

No group three is not about change they are Nazi lovers. They are not intelligent they are sub humans who literally have zero to given students.

Mandel and Diaz are Moms4Liberty that is disqualifying period.

Mandel never once had a kid in public school she has only home schooled . Loves being called a Grandma killer and that children should befriend neo Nazis .

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Having watched BOE meetings, very few ask questions or followup, other than an occasional question for clarification. Either BOE hasn't done homework/research to know what exactly they should be asking; CO tells not to ask certain type of questions or any; or trying to keep peace in board room by not asking(!). If you follow the meetings, it may make you want to vote for outsiders such as those mentioned on this thread. By voting Apple, you are asking for more of the same. But, ask yourself, do you want a '16 U.S. Presidential general election type outcome by voting for the [two] outsiders talked about here? If they win, we will not be voting in the other half of BOE for another few years.

Or the BOE members apologize and insist they know how hard the MCPS staff are working, even though it's clear the staff in question are fumbling or have seriously dropped the ball.

There's a strange propensity among the BOE to apologize for even performing their basic oversight functions as board members.

Yes. So true. Looks like they have or are being bullied by CO. We need more to speak up about inner CO and fast!

[Anonymous]

Once again, picking the best out of the worst scenario. Ugh.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Having watched BOE meetings, very few ask questions or followup, other than an occasional question for clarification. Either BOE hasn't done homework/research to know what exactly they should be asking; CO tells not to ask certain type of questions or any; or trying to keep peace in board room by not asking(!). If you follow the meetings, it may make you want to vote for outsiders such as those mentioned on this thread. By voting Apple, you are asking for more of the same. But, ask yourself, do you want a '16 U.S. Presidential general election type outcome by voting for the [two] outsiders talked about here? If they win, we will not be voting in the other half of BOE for another few years.

Or the BOE members apologize and insist they know how hard the MCPS staff are working, even though it's clear the staff in question are fumbling or have seriously dropped the ball.

There's a strange propensity among the BOE to apologize for even performing their basic oversight functions as board members.

I hadn't noticed, but I was hoping you could provide a few examples.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Having watched BOE meetings, very few ask questions or followup, other than an occasional question for clarification. Either BOE hasn't done homework/research to know what exactly they should be asking; CO tells not to ask certain type of questions or any; or trying to keep peace in board room by not asking(!). If you follow the meetings, it may make you want to vote for outsiders such as those mentioned on this thread. By voting Apple, you are asking for more of the same. But, ask yourself, do you want a '16 U.S. Presidential general election type outcome by voting for the [two] outsiders talked about here? If they win, we will not be voting in the other half of BOE for another few years.

Or the BOE members apologize and insist they know how hard the MCPS staff are working, even though it's clear the staff in question are fumbling or have seriously dropped the ball.

There's a strange propensity among the BOE to apologize for even performing their basic oversight functions as board members.

Good to know others picked up on the crazy amount of apologizing. Why?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Diaz and Mandel are both Moms4Liberty.

Moms4Liberty stands for hate, racism, terrorism and down right stupidity. We do not want either of these sub humans representing our schools.

Bethany in particular has zero to add to the conversation. She is a liar, psychopath and not a good person. If you have to scrub your online presence then you are not fit for a school board. Especially when that presence shows what a hateful, stupid barely human you are. Most importantly her tweets and words show a basic lack of humanity, intelligence and education.

Tell us how you really feel!

LOL yep I will not be quiet about her utter incompetence and hate.

It's not hard for anyone to find online seriously people I get some people want change at MCPS fine but Bethany Mandel is not the answer nor is Diaz. Liars belong no where near the kids. Mandel has spoken at many Moms4Liberty events Diaz has as well. Why are they not putting it on their profiles? We know why because they are liars.

Ok but you come off as unhinged in your hatred of them.

DP, they definitely don’t sound unhinged… they sound like they know Mandel is the absolute worst choice (which she is). Stop trying to make the sane people sound like the ones with issues because you’re not educated yourself.

Mandel is a right wing nutcase. It disturbs me that anyone would consider voting for her. Too many people in this country writhe in their own ignorance.

This county needs some balance to counteract the left wing nutcases who are currently in charge. We’ll take what we can get.

But to what end? She would just waste everyone's time.

This.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Having watched BOE meetings, very few ask questions or followup, other than an occasional question for clarification. Either BOE hasn't done homework/research to know what exactly they should be asking; CO tells not to ask certain type of questions or any; or trying to keep peace in board room by not asking(!). If you follow the meetings, it may make you want to vote for outsiders such as those mentioned on this thread. By voting Apple, you are asking for more of the same. But, ask yourself, do you want a '16 U.S. Presidential general election type outcome by voting for the [two] outsiders talked about here? If they win, we will not be voting in the other half of BOE for another few years.

Or the BOE members apologize and insist they know how hard the MCPS staff are working, even though it's clear the staff in question are fumbling or have seriously dropped the ball.

There's a strange propensity among the BOE to apologize for even performing their basic oversight functions as board members.

I hadn't noticed, but I was hoping you could provide a few examples.

+1. All I can think of is when they apologize for falling behind in the scheduled timing of agenda items, which seems like a thing normal humans would do.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I know folks like to demonize the Apple Ballot, but the Apple Ballot is teachers, and teachers are not the enemy here.

So, folks like Lynne Harris don't turn up on the Apple Ballot because teachers know that she refuses to hold the Central Office accountable.

If you support teachers, who are the people who most want a BoE that holds Central Office feet to the fire, I wouldn't rule out Apple Ballot candidates.

You don't have to vote straight ticket, but look for folks who seem willing to ask hard questions and keep asking them even if Central Office folks obfuscate and lie.

I think that's quite a stretch. And Harris is actually one of the board members who has questioned central office staff the most often.

+1

Harris continually tries to get answers from staff and hold the system accountable.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Look, I'm actually not really here for the crass comments about Mandel, but the substance is correct.

She's a right-wing Twitter figure with a long history of hateful rhetoric. She's a Republican running as a Democrat for political gain, and a white homeschooling parent seeking a position of authority over a majority Black/brown public school population.

Those are all disqualifying without a bunch of depersonalizing language.

Not really a fan of hers either and definitely not voting for her BUT the comments are a bit much.

People still aren't realizing that the over-the-top bashing of extremist candidates often comes from the proponents of the extremists, themselves. It rallies the extremost base and generates sympathy to get some marginal vote differential, often by dissuading support for the opposition from those turned off by such bashing.

The right winger knows she isn't going to win the seat in November, but she wins a different battle, and probably one more important to her, if she can keep her name in the news/on social media between now and then.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm voting for Harris, Stewart, and Zimmerman.

I’m voting for Diaz and Mandel.

I actually switched from independent voter to democrat so I could vote in the primary and will voting this way as well. We need change, and these are the only two I trust to implement it.

That's nice, but I predict those two will loose big. It's basically a wasted vote.

DP

Meh, it’ll count as a protest vote. No vote is wasted.

Nah, your vote definitely is wasted. Protest vote? Couldn’t roll my eyes harder.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm voting for Harris, Stewart, and Zimmerman.

I’m voting for Diaz and Mandel.

I actually switched from independent voter to democrat so I could vote in the primary and will voting this way as well. We need change, and these are the only two I trust to implement it.

That's nice, but I predict those two will loose big. It's basically a wasted vote.

DP

Meh, it’ll count as a protest vote. No vote is wasted.

Nah, your vote definitely is wasted. Protest vote? Couldn’t roll my eyes harder.

Nah, you’re just trying to stop a vote because you don’t agree with it.

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Anonymous wrote:Diaz and Mandel are both Moms4Liberty.

Moms4Liberty stands for hate, racism, terrorism and down right stupidity. We do not want either of these sub humans representing our schools.

Bethany in particular has zero to add to the conversation. She is a liar, psychopath and not a good person. If you have to scrub your online presence then you are not fit for a school board. Especially when that presence shows what a hateful, stupid barely human you are. Most importantly her tweets and words show a basic lack of humanity, intelligence and education.

Tell us how you really feel!

LOL yep I will not be quiet about her utter incompetence and hate.

It's not hard for anyone to find online seriously people I get some people want change at MCPS fine but Bethany Mandel is not the answer nor is Diaz. Liars belong no where near the kids. Mandel has spoken at many Moms4Liberty events Diaz has as well. Why are they not putting it on their profiles? We know why because they are liars.

Ok but you come off as unhinged in your hatred of them.

DP, they definitely don’t sound unhinged… they sound like they know Mandel is the absolute worst choice (which she is). Stop trying to make the sane people sound like the ones with issues because you’re not educated yourself.

Mandel is a right wing nutcase. It disturbs me that anyone would consider voting for her. Too many people in this country writhe in their own ignorance.

This county needs some balance to counteract the left wing nutcases who are currently in charge. We’ll take what we can get.

Yeah…good luck with that. Imbecile.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm voting for Harris, Stewart, and Zimmerman.

I’m voting for Diaz and Mandel.

I actually switched from independent voter to democrat so I could vote in the primary and will voting this way as well. We need change, and these are the only two I trust to implement it.

That's nice, but I predict those two will loose big. It's basically a wasted vote.

DP

Meh, it’ll count as a protest vote. No vote is wasted.

Nah, your vote definitely is wasted. Protest vote? Couldn’t roll my eyes harder.

Knock yourself out with rolling your eyes. You have no say in how anyone votes.