Incentives to Keep Teachers

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Anonymous wrote:What should the BOE and County Council do to keep teachers?

I’d say:
No income tax for any teacher after x#of years
No property tax for teachers who choose to live in MC after 5 years within county and x#years of teaching

What else?



As a parent in MCPS with so many behavior issues ( incl but not limited to ADHD), a teacher needs a TA in class. This can be someone who may only have a HS diploma, but is there to deal with kids that are misbehaving, so the teacher can focus on teaching the rest of the class. So much time in my child’s middle school is spent on dealing with the same half dozen kids ( in an entire day, different classes ) that are not listening, being obnoxious or disrupting class for other reasons.

Private schools would not tolerate these behaviors- so why are public schools tolerating it? It is so disruptive for children who want to study and learn. It is not the teachers fault - their hands are tied by what the admin will or will not do.


We need TAs for the students who need help but we also need bouncers to get rid of the ones who don't want to learn. It's my dream to have a sweep of these students like in the movie Lean on Me. Get rid of them. Someone else (not the teachers) can offer alternatives for them but they need to be removed from the gen ed classroom.



Unfortunately, in public schools, you cannot get rid of students , per se. That is another big issue. I think having consequences where the child disrupting needs parents to pick them up- if it happens regularly, mandate psych eval and then go from there.

My DC 14 told me the other day that there are a couple of students that get detention / have to eat lunch with the VP every single day- doesn’t change a thing- behavior is still the same. So the consequences currently being implanted are not effective. The Board with parent input need to find more consistent and different consequences for disruptive behavior. Also, imo, it needs to be the same all across MCPS- no school and principal dependent.


But there are zero expectations of parents. There is no expectation that they answer the phone when admin calls them about their child’s behavior. If I had a time for every pissed off parents screaming, “He’s not my problem when he’s at school!” “Stop calling me!”


But it is the school's responsibility to provide services necessary to manage a student's disability. If a disruptive behavior is a manifestation of a disability, then the school needs to provide additional supportive services. They can't simply send the student home, although sometimes they try.


The schools simply don’t have the staff. Yes, it’s required, but the frank truth is that SpEd is near impossible to fully staff. A school can’t pull blood from stone, no matter how much the remaining staff may try. That’s why current teachers are blaze-of-glory burning out, trying to provide what’s required for MANY students. One person is just one person, though, and can only do so much.


They don't have the staff because MCPS hasn't prioritized SpEd positions.


It also doesn't help that there are 4X as many SpED cases than there were 10 years ago.


Yet they haven't been willing to increase SpEd positions according to the needs of current students.


Schools can’t fill existing positions. What would be the point of creating new ones? There aren’t lines of SpEd-certified teachers clamoring for positions.


It's a veridical paradox: it's easier to hire 2 people to do 2 jobs than to hire 1 person to do 2 jobs.
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Anonymous wrote:What should the BOE and County Council do to keep teachers?

I’d say:
No income tax for any teacher after x#of years
No property tax for teachers who choose to live in MC after 5 years within county and x#years of teaching

What else?



As a parent in MCPS with so many behavior issues ( incl but not limited to ADHD), a teacher needs a TA in class. This can be someone who may only have a HS diploma, but is there to deal with kids that are misbehaving, so the teacher can focus on teaching the rest of the class. So much time in my child’s middle school is spent on dealing with the same half dozen kids ( in an entire day, different classes ) that are not listening, being obnoxious or disrupting class for other reasons.

Private schools would not tolerate these behaviors- so why are public schools tolerating it? It is so disruptive for children who want to study and learn. It is not the teachers fault - their hands are tied by what the admin will or will not do.


We need TAs for the students who need help but we also need bouncers to get rid of the ones who don't want to learn. It's my dream to have a sweep of these students like in the movie Lean on Me. Get rid of them. Someone else (not the teachers) can offer alternatives for them but they need to be removed from the gen ed classroom.



Unfortunately, in public schools, you cannot get rid of students , per se. That is another big issue. I think having consequences where the child disrupting needs parents to pick them up- if it happens regularly, mandate psych eval and then go from there.

My DC 14 told me the other day that there are a couple of students that get detention / have to eat lunch with the VP every single day- doesn’t change a thing- behavior is still the same. So the consequences currently being implanted are not effective. The Board with parent input need to find more consistent and different consequences for disruptive behavior. Also, imo, it needs to be the same all across MCPS- no school and principal dependent.


But there are zero expectations of parents. There is no expectation that they answer the phone when admin calls them about their child’s behavior. If I had a time for every pissed off parents screaming, “He’s not my problem when he’s at school!” “Stop calling me!”


But it is the school's responsibility to provide services necessary to manage a student's disability. If a disruptive behavior is a manifestation of a disability, then the school needs to provide additional supportive services. They can't simply send the student home, although sometimes they try.


The schools simply don’t have the staff. Yes, it’s required, but the frank truth is that SpEd is near impossible to fully staff. A school can’t pull blood from stone, no matter how much the remaining staff may try. That’s why current teachers are blaze-of-glory burning out, trying to provide what’s required for MANY students. One person is just one person, though, and can only do so much.


They don't have the staff because MCPS hasn't prioritized SpEd positions.


It also doesn't help that there are 4X as many SpED cases than there were 10 years ago.


Yet they haven't been willing to increase SpEd positions according to the needs of current students.


Schools can’t fill existing positions. What would be the point of creating new ones? There aren’t lines of SpEd-certified teachers clamoring for positions.


I hear that but that doesn't seem to be the case. Maybe with HS teachers that require significant training for advanced STEM or special ed.
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Anonymous wrote:There are already plenty of incentives. The problem is the grass is always greener, but at least there's no shortage of new teachers to fill in for the unhappy ones who leave.


Um, there is a huge shortage of new teachers. Education departments nationwide have low enrollment. And new teachers become unhappy teachers very quickly, so they don’t last long.

Yes, the grass is greener. Other professions offer more respect, a better work/life balance, and a less hectic work day.



It would be hard to find a job that has comparable benefits and pay and only requires 180 days of work.


If it's that great a deal, why is there a shortage spread nationwide?


Because the workload during the school year.


So not that great a deal overall, right?
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Anonymous wrote:What should the BOE and County Council do to keep teachers?

I’d say:
No income tax for any teacher after x#of years
No property tax for teachers who choose to live in MC after 5 years within county and x#years of teaching

What else?



As a parent in MCPS with so many behavior issues ( incl but not limited to ADHD), a teacher needs a TA in class. This can be someone who may only have a HS diploma, but is there to deal with kids that are misbehaving, so the teacher can focus on teaching the rest of the class. So much time in my child’s middle school is spent on dealing with the same half dozen kids ( in an entire day, different classes ) that are not listening, being obnoxious or disrupting class for other reasons.

Private schools would not tolerate these behaviors- so why are public schools tolerating it? It is so disruptive for children who want to study and learn. It is not the teachers fault - their hands are tied by what the admin will or will not do.


We need TAs for the students who need help but we also need bouncers to get rid of the ones who don't want to learn. It's my dream to have a sweep of these students like in the movie Lean on Me. Get rid of them. Someone else (not the teachers) can offer alternatives for them but they need to be removed from the gen ed classroom.



Unfortunately, in public schools, you cannot get rid of students , per se. That is another big issue. I think having consequences where the child disrupting needs parents to pick them up- if it happens regularly, mandate psych eval and then go from there.

My DC 14 told me the other day that there are a couple of students that get detention / have to eat lunch with the VP every single day- doesn’t change a thing- behavior is still the same. So the consequences currently being implanted are not effective. The Board with parent input need to find more consistent and different consequences for disruptive behavior. Also, imo, it needs to be the same all across MCPS- no school and principal dependent.


But there are zero expectations of parents. There is no expectation that they answer the phone when admin calls them about their child’s behavior. If I had a time for every pissed off parents screaming, “He’s not my problem when he’s at school!” “Stop calling me!”


But it is the school's responsibility to provide services necessary to manage a student's disability. If a disruptive behavior is a manifestation of a disability, then the school needs to provide additional supportive services. They can't simply send the student home, although sometimes they try.


The schools simply don’t have the staff. Yes, it’s required, but the frank truth is that SpEd is near impossible to fully staff. A school can’t pull blood from stone, no matter how much the remaining staff may try. That’s why current teachers are blaze-of-glory burning out, trying to provide what’s required for MANY students. One person is just one person, though, and can only do so much.


They don't have the staff because MCPS hasn't prioritized SpEd positions.


It also doesn't help that there are 4X as many SpED cases than there were 10 years ago.


Yet they haven't been willing to increase SpEd positions according to the needs of current students.


Schools can’t fill existing positions. What would be the point of creating new ones? There aren’t lines of SpEd-certified teachers clamoring for positions.


I hear that but that doesn't seem to be the case. Maybe with HS teachers that require significant training for advanced STEM or special ed.


I work with someone who keeps her SpEd certification hush-hush because she knows she’ll be placed there.

Teaching is hard enough. SpEd teachers have it even harder.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What should the BOE and County Council do to keep teachers?

I’d say:
No income tax for any teacher after x#of years
No property tax for teachers who choose to live in MC after 5 years within county and x#years of teaching

What else?



As a parent in MCPS with so many behavior issues ( incl but not limited to ADHD), a teacher needs a TA in class. This can be someone who may only have a HS diploma, but is there to deal with kids that are misbehaving, so the teacher can focus on teaching the rest of the class. So much time in my child’s middle school is spent on dealing with the same half dozen kids ( in an entire day, different classes ) that are not listening, being obnoxious or disrupting class for other reasons.

Private schools would not tolerate these behaviors- so why are public schools tolerating it? It is so disruptive for children who want to study and learn. It is not the teachers fault - their hands are tied by what the admin will or will not do.


We need TAs for the students who need help but we also need bouncers to get rid of the ones who don't want to learn. It's my dream to have a sweep of these students like in the movie Lean on Me. Get rid of them. Someone else (not the teachers) can offer alternatives for them but they need to be removed from the gen ed classroom.



Unfortunately, in public schools, you cannot get rid of students , per se. That is another big issue. I think having consequences where the child disrupting needs parents to pick them up- if it happens regularly, mandate psych eval and then go from there.

My DC 14 told me the other day that there are a couple of students that get detention / have to eat lunch with the VP every single day- doesn’t change a thing- behavior is still the same. So the consequences currently being implanted are not effective. The Board with parent input need to find more consistent and different consequences for disruptive behavior. Also, imo, it needs to be the same all across MCPS- no school and principal dependent.


But there are zero expectations of parents. There is no expectation that they answer the phone when admin calls them about their child’s behavior. If I had a time for every pissed off parents screaming, “He’s not my problem when he’s at school!” “Stop calling me!”


But it is the school's responsibility to provide services necessary to manage a student's disability. If a disruptive behavior is a manifestation of a disability, then the school needs to provide additional supportive services. They can't simply send the student home, although sometimes they try.


Then the students need to be made wards of the state, and the parents taxed every nickel of their discretionary income to pay for the students care, and bit on reversible birth control.

It's insane to say that schools must act as these children's parents, while giving a checked out adult veto power over everything.
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Anonymous wrote:What should the BOE and County Council do to keep teachers?

I’d say:
No income tax for any teacher after x#of years
No property tax for teachers who choose to live in MC after 5 years within county and x#years of teaching

What else?


How the hell are you going to make up this revenue? People don't realize that you can't just cut taxes without consequence.
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Anonymous wrote:What should the BOE and County Council do to keep teachers?

I’d say:
No income tax for any teacher after x#of years
No property tax for teachers who choose to live in MC after 5 years within county and x#years of teaching

What else?



As a parent in MCPS with so many behavior issues ( incl but not limited to ADHD), a teacher needs a TA in class. This can be someone who may only have a HS diploma, but is there to deal with kids that are misbehaving, so the teacher can focus on teaching the rest of the class. So much time in my child’s middle school is spent on dealing with the same half dozen kids ( in an entire day, different classes ) that are not listening, being obnoxious or disrupting class for other reasons.

Private schools would not tolerate these behaviors- so why are public schools tolerating it? It is so disruptive for children who want to study and learn. It is not the teachers fault - their hands are tied by what the admin will or will not do.


We need TAs for the students who need help but we also need bouncers to get rid of the ones who don't want to learn. It's my dream to have a sweep of these students like in the movie Lean on Me. Get rid of them. Someone else (not the teachers) can offer alternatives for them but they need to be removed from the gen ed classroom.



Unfortunately, in public schools, you cannot get rid of students , per se. That is another big issue. I think having consequences where the child disrupting needs parents to pick them up- if it happens regularly, mandate psych eval and then go from there.

My DC 14 told me the other day that there are a couple of students that get detention / have to eat lunch with the VP every single day- doesn’t change a thing- behavior is still the same. So the consequences currently being implanted are not effective. The Board with parent input need to find more consistent and different consequences for disruptive behavior. Also, imo, it needs to be the same all across MCPS- no school and principal dependent.


But there are zero expectations of parents. There is no expectation that they answer the phone when admin calls them about their child’s behavior. If I had a time for every pissed off parents screaming, “He’s not my problem when he’s at school!” “Stop calling me!”


But it is the school's responsibility to provide services necessary to manage a student's disability. If a disruptive behavior is a manifestation of a disability, then the school needs to provide additional supportive services. They can't simply send the student home, although sometimes they try.


Then the students need to be made wards of the state, and the parents taxed every nickel of their discretionary income to pay for the students care, and bit on reversible birth control.

It's insane to say that schools must act as these children's parents, while giving a checked out adult veto power over everything.


Yeah! And I'm sick of paying for elevators and wheelchair ramps, too! Why should it be my problem that you can't walk?
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Anonymous wrote:There are already plenty of incentives. The problem is the grass is always greener, but at least there's no shortage of new teachers to fill in for the unhappy ones who leave.


Um, there is a huge shortage of new teachers. Education departments nationwide have low enrollment. And new teachers become unhappy teachers very quickly, so they don’t last long.

Yes, the grass is greener. Other professions offer more respect, a better work/life balance, and a less hectic work day.



It would be hard to find a job that has comparable benefits and pay and only requires 180 days of work.


If it's that great a deal, why is there a shortage spread nationwide?


Because the workload during the school year.


So not that great a deal overall, right?


I was the pp, but not the one you were responding to earlier.

No, not a great deal. But not because of the pay. The other pp was right that you'd be hard-pressed to find a different job with similar pay, benefits, and educational requirements. Particularly in the public sector.
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Anonymous wrote:There are already plenty of incentives. The problem is the grass is always greener, but at least there's no shortage of new teachers to fill in for the unhappy ones who leave.


Exactly. They get really good benefits and there are housing programs already. And after the first few years the pay is decent to good for a ten month employee and they get tuition benefits for a masters or PhD.


And yet we can’t keep teachers in the classroom. Here we are commenting on a thread about how to incentivize people to stay in the profession.

TEACHERS know that the benefits aren’t worth the agony, but DCUM is here to tell teachers that their jobs are amazing. We’ll keep pretending that the teacher shortage isn’t a thing.


I am an MCPS employee. I know the benefits are great and my pay is not bad. I am a few years away from retiring with my full pension and I am leaving at the end of the school year. The stress and constant changes and demands are no longer worth it. I handed in my retirement papers and feel like the weight of the world has been lifted from my shoulders.
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Anonymous wrote:There are already plenty of incentives. The problem is the grass is always greener, but at least there's no shortage of new teachers to fill in for the unhappy ones who leave.


Exactly. They get really good benefits and there are housing programs already. And after the first few years the pay is decent to good for a ten month employee and they get tuition benefits for a masters or PhD.


And yet we can’t keep teachers in the classroom. Here we are commenting on a thread about how to incentivize people to stay in the profession.

TEACHERS know that the benefits aren’t worth the agony, but DCUM is here to tell teachers that their jobs are amazing. We’ll keep pretending that the teacher shortage isn’t a thing.


I am an MCPS employee. I know the benefits are great and my pay is not bad. I am a few years away from retiring with my full pension and I am leaving at the end of the school year. The stress and constant changes and demands are no longer worth it. I handed in my retirement papers and feel like the weight of the world has been lifted from my shoulders.


Most jobs have constant changes and demands. The only difference is you don’t have to be worried about being terminated for no good reason.
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Anonymous wrote:There are already plenty of incentives. The problem is the grass is always greener, but at least there's no shortage of new teachers to fill in for the unhappy ones who leave.


Um, there is a huge shortage of new teachers. Education departments nationwide have low enrollment. And new teachers become unhappy teachers very quickly, so they don’t last long.

Yes, the grass is greener. Other professions offer more respect, a better work/life balance, and a less hectic work day.



It would be hard to find a job that has comparable benefits and pay and only requires 180 days of work.


If it's that great a deal, why is there a shortage spread nationwide?


Because the workload during the school year.


So not that great a deal overall, right?


I was the pp, but not the one you were responding to earlier.

No, not a great deal. But not because of the pay. The other pp was right that you'd be hard-pressed to find a different job with similar pay, benefits, and educational requirements. Particularly in the public sector.


Equal county jobs pay less, worse benefits and are 12 vs 10 months.
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Anonymous wrote:There are already plenty of incentives. The problem is the grass is always greener, but at least there's no shortage of new teachers to fill in for the unhappy ones who leave.


Exactly. They get really good benefits and there are housing programs already. And after the first few years the pay is decent to good for a ten month employee and they get tuition benefits for a masters or PhD.


And yet we can’t keep teachers in the classroom. Here we are commenting on a thread about how to incentivize people to stay in the profession.

TEACHERS know that the benefits aren’t worth the agony, but DCUM is here to tell teachers that their jobs are amazing. We’ll keep pretending that the teacher shortage isn’t a thing.


I am an MCPS employee. I know the benefits are great and my pay is not bad. I am a few years away from retiring with my full pension and I am leaving at the end of the school year. The stress and constant changes and demands are no longer worth it. I handed in my retirement papers and feel like the weight of the world has been lifted from my shoulders.


Congratulations! I took 3 years off when my children were younger. The stress, fatigue, and anxiety melted away. I forgot how bad it was, which is why I came back. I won’t be making it much longer and I’ll be kissing full pension goodbye. I don’t care. It isn’t worth my health and happiness.

The posters who love to remind us about the amazing benefits haven’t actually tried the job. The benefits aren’t worth it. At all.
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Anonymous wrote:What should the BOE and County Council do to keep teachers?

I’d say:
No income tax for any teacher after x#of years
No property tax for teachers who choose to live in MC after 5 years within county and x#years of teaching

What else?



As a parent in MCPS with so many behavior issues ( incl but not limited to ADHD), a teacher needs a TA in class. This can be someone who may only have a HS diploma, but is there to deal with kids that are misbehaving, so the teacher can focus on teaching the rest of the class. So much time in my child’s middle school is spent on dealing with the same half dozen kids ( in an entire day, different classes ) that are not listening, being obnoxious or disrupting class for other reasons.

Private schools would not tolerate these behaviors- so why are public schools tolerating it? It is so disruptive for children who want to study and learn. It is not the teachers fault - their hands are tied by what the admin will or will not do.


We need TAs for the students who need help but we also need bouncers to get rid of the ones who don't want to learn. It's my dream to have a sweep of these students like in the movie Lean on Me. Get rid of them. Someone else (not the teachers) can offer alternatives for them but they need to be removed from the gen ed classroom.



Unfortunately, in public schools, you cannot get rid of students , per se. That is another big issue. I think having consequences where the child disrupting needs parents to pick them up- if it happens regularly, mandate psych eval and then go from there.

My DC 14 told me the other day that there are a couple of students that get detention / have to eat lunch with the VP every single day- doesn’t change a thing- behavior is still the same. So the consequences currently being implanted are not effective. The Board with parent input need to find more consistent and different consequences for disruptive behavior. Also, imo, it needs to be the same all across MCPS- no school and principal dependent.


But there are zero expectations of parents. There is no expectation that they answer the phone when admin calls them about their child’s behavior. If I had a time for every pissed off parents screaming, “He’s not my problem when he’s at school!” “Stop calling me!”


But it is the school's responsibility to provide services necessary to manage a student's disability. If a disruptive behavior is a manifestation of a disability, then the school needs to provide additional supportive services. They can't simply send the student home, although sometimes they try.


The schools simply don’t have the staff. Yes, it’s required, but the frank truth is that SpEd is near impossible to fully staff. A school can’t pull blood from stone, no matter how much the remaining staff may try. That’s why current teachers are blaze-of-glory burning out, trying to provide what’s required for MANY students. One person is just one person, though, and can only do so much.


They don't have the staff because MCPS hasn't prioritized SpEd positions.


It also doesn't help that there are 4X as many SpED cases than there were 10 years ago.


Yet they haven't been willing to increase SpEd positions according to the needs of current students.


Schools can’t fill existing positions. What would be the point of creating new ones? There aren’t lines of SpEd-certified teachers clamoring for positions.


I hear that but that doesn't seem to be the case. Maybe with HS teachers that require significant training for advanced STEM or special ed.


Most don’t have significant training. They understand the material. They aren’t in the stem world. My kid took a computer science class in ms and the teacher had barely any knowledge and we had lots of issues as they were wrong on several things. Our math teacher regularly gets problems wrong.
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Anonymous wrote:There are already plenty of incentives. The problem is the grass is always greener, but at least there's no shortage of new teachers to fill in for the unhappy ones who leave.


Exactly. They get really good benefits and there are housing programs already. And after the first few years the pay is decent to good for a ten month employee and they get tuition benefits for a masters or PhD.


And yet we can’t keep teachers in the classroom. Here we are commenting on a thread about how to incentivize people to stay in the profession.

TEACHERS know that the benefits aren’t worth the agony, but DCUM is here to tell teachers that their jobs are amazing. We’ll keep pretending that the teacher shortage isn’t a thing.


I am an MCPS employee. I know the benefits are great and my pay is not bad. I am a few years away from retiring with my full pension and I am leaving at the end of the school year. The stress and constant changes and demands are no longer worth it. I handed in my retirement papers and feel like the weight of the world has been lifted from my shoulders.


Most jobs have constant changes and demands. The only difference is you don’t have to be worried about being terminated for no good reason.


People who haven’t taught should stop commenting on the job because you don’t know it. Sure, other jobs have changes (challenges, you mean?) and demands. Some of them are even hard jobs. But they aren’t teaching, which comes with a unique set of challenges.

I’ve worked other jobs AND I’ve taught.
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Anonymous wrote:What should the BOE and County Council do to keep teachers?

I’d say:
No income tax for any teacher after x#of years
No property tax for teachers who choose to live in MC after 5 years within county and x#years of teaching

What else?



As a parent in MCPS with so many behavior issues ( incl but not limited to ADHD), a teacher needs a TA in class. This can be someone who may only have a HS diploma, but is there to deal with kids that are misbehaving, so the teacher can focus on teaching the rest of the class. So much time in my child’s middle school is spent on dealing with the same half dozen kids ( in an entire day, different classes ) that are not listening, being obnoxious or disrupting class for other reasons.

Private schools would not tolerate these behaviors- so why are public schools tolerating it? It is so disruptive for children who want to study and learn. It is not the teachers fault - their hands are tied by what the admin will or will not do.


We need TAs for the students who need help but we also need bouncers to get rid of the ones who don't want to learn. It's my dream to have a sweep of these students like in the movie Lean on Me. Get rid of them. Someone else (not the teachers) can offer alternatives for them but they need to be removed from the gen ed classroom.



Unfortunately, in public schools, you cannot get rid of students , per se. That is another big issue. I think having consequences where the child disrupting needs parents to pick them up- if it happens regularly, mandate psych eval and then go from there.

My DC 14 told me the other day that there are a couple of students that get detention / have to eat lunch with the VP every single day- doesn’t change a thing- behavior is still the same. So the consequences currently being implanted are not effective. The Board with parent input need to find more consistent and different consequences for disruptive behavior. Also, imo, it needs to be the same all across MCPS- no school and principal dependent.


But there are zero expectations of parents. There is no expectation that they answer the phone when admin calls them about their child’s behavior. If I had a time for every pissed off parents screaming, “He’s not my problem when he’s at school!” “Stop calling me!”


But it is the school's responsibility to provide services necessary to manage a student's disability. If a disruptive behavior is a manifestation of a disability, then the school needs to provide additional supportive services. They can't simply send the student home, although sometimes they try.


The schools simply don’t have the staff. Yes, it’s required, but the frank truth is that SpEd is near impossible to fully staff. A school can’t pull blood from stone, no matter how much the remaining staff may try. That’s why current teachers are blaze-of-glory burning out, trying to provide what’s required for MANY students. One person is just one person, though, and can only do so much.


They don't have the staff because MCPS hasn't prioritized SpEd positions.


It also doesn't help that there are 4X as many SpED cases than there were 10 years ago.


Yet they haven't been willing to increase SpEd positions according to the needs of current students.


Schools can’t fill existing positions. What would be the point of creating new ones? There aren’t lines of SpEd-certified teachers clamoring for positions.


I hear that but that doesn't seem to be the case. Maybe with HS teachers that require significant training for advanced STEM or special ed.


Most don’t have significant training. They understand the material. They aren’t in the stem world. My kid took a computer science class in ms and the teacher had barely any knowledge and we had lots of issues as they were wrong on several things. Our math teacher regularly gets problems wrong.


I’m sure your expertise would be appreciated. Why don’t you sign up? As people on this thread will tell you, it’s a super easy job with AMAZING benefits.
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