Per NYT, Yale now “test flexible”

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Hopefully most follow suit. Scoring a 1450 should not be a "do not submit".

Anecdotally, I heard at our school that even with NYU, NEU the 1400's were not being submitted.

NEU middle 50 was like 1440 - 1540 before the pandemic when SAT was mandatory.
So low 1400 is already below 25%

STG, I don’t get this.

How did that school become competitive with an SAT range like that when it was effectively viewed as a four-year community college in the early 1990s. Or is my recollection off???

Because it's year 2024 already but you keep living in the past that is long gone.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The irony. My senior --5s on all APs, 36 ACT. The year scores don't matter.

I have a sophomore--hope he is a high test scorer too. lol

Things that could help always seem to change after the fact for us.

Everybody is really missing the point here. The point of reinstating scores is not to let in more high-scoring white kids from upper middleclass suburbs. In fact, it is the opposite. Reinstating required testing will allow the average test scores to go back down to reasonable levels for admission. Understand: these schools do not admit students on a sliding scale, starting with the perfect scores and going down from there. They are simply looking at test scores to ensure that students whose grades and schools do not give a complete picture can submit a test score to indicate whether they are capable of doing the work. For almost every single school in America a 1400 or even a 1350 (gasp) is plenty high. So now, underprileged students can submit those scores. During test optional, they weren't, so they were being left out. This change DOES NOT advantage high test scorers. And that's a good thing!

Spot on and well-articulated post

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The irony. My senior --5s on all APs, 36 ACT. The year scores don't matter.

I have a sophomore--hope he is a high test scorer too. lol

Things that could help always seem to change after the fact for us.

Think about how those of us from the past two cycles feel, no matter what the public explanation, it’s clear test optional led to the acceptance of kids who were not as qualified as kids with high scores.

T25 colleges are not taking under qualified students under TO. They are not taking kids who only got 1200. Sure maybe one or two have an excellent application and get thru, but your 1580/3.99UW/10+ APs was not rejected because of a kid who went TO and didn't submit their 1200 by and large.

In reality, a kid with 1440 is not that much different than a kid with 1540. So AO look at the whole applicant and sometimes the kid with a 1440 and very strong everything else is more appealing than your 1540 kid. Also, they are rejecting 95% of the applicants, so majority of those are "highly qualified " applicants. Just not enough spaces for everyone

This, this, this!
When test scores are discussed here it seems that people regard it as a be-all ranking. It is not used like that with TO schools or test-aware schools or test-required schools. It is one more piece of the applicant puzzle.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:At Ivy League schools, the vast majority of admitted students have submitted test scores. You can look at the data -- 80-90%

Yup--Harvard CDS: 55% SAT, 28% ACT. There might be a bit of overlap, but I'd speculate at least 80-82+% submitted scores.

YALE CDS: 59% SAT, 29% ACT I'd estimate 85%+ submitted for Yale

No data to prove it, but I'm guessing many who don't submit are in the 1400+ (likely 1450-1540 range). Seriously doubt there are more than 1-2% below the 1300 level

But the schools are saying there are when they go back and look at the unsubmitted scores. So please shut up, you are wrong.

So there are more than 2% of kids applying to Harvard and Yale that had scores below 1300 that were accepted? Sure kids can try to apply but I don't believe H/Y are accepting tons of kids with that low of test scores who didn't submit. Very few kids will have that low of test score (sub 1300) and manage to get into Harvard or Yale (or most T25).

[Anonymous]

I know plenty of kids with too GPAs who can’t too 1200 on the SAT

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:At Ivy League schools, the vast majority of admitted students have submitted test scores. You can look at the data -- 80-90%

Yup--Harvard CDS: 55% SAT, 28% ACT. There might be a bit of overlap, but I'd speculate at least 80-82+% submitted scores.

YALE CDS: 59% SAT, 29% ACT I'd estimate 85%+ submitted for Yale

No data to prove it, but I'm guessing many who don't submit are in the 1400+ (likely 1450-1540 range). Seriously doubt there are more than 1-2% below the 1300 level

But the schools are saying there are when they go back and look at the unsubmitted scores. So please shut up, you are wrong.

So there are more than 2% of kids applying to Harvard and Yale that had scores below 1300 that were accepted? Sure kids can try to apply but I don't believe H/Y are accepting tons of kids with that low of test scores who didn't submit. Very few kids will have that low of test score (sub 1300) and manage to get into Harvard or Yale (or most T25).

You personally have no knowledge of this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It will make the average scores schools report go back to a normal level. 1350 will revert to being a very good score. 1200s will revert to being a pretty good score. It’s so skewed right now with ridiculously high average scores since only 1/3 of applicants submit. Of course the schools like to say their average SAT is a 1458 but we all know it’s complete BS. Except the kids, who are mortified they can’t get into that range bc 95%+ of kids don’t. Bring back the testing reqs.

This is only for schools like Tulane, BC, Northeastern etc. T25 schools have had high test scores for decades now.

[Anonymous]

The average SAT score nationally is 1028. The average ACT score is 19.

There are some states - Texas, Florida, Michigan, Rhode Island, Idaho, Oklahoma, West Virginia, Illinois, Indiana, New Mexico, Colorado, and DC - the lowest - that don't even break a 1000.

But students from those states are being penalized for scoring in the 1300s and 1400s.

Any student from DCPS that scores above 1300 is a hero and a bright kid. And those scores should count in context.

TO has distorted everything. Good for Yale and Dartmouth and MIT for requiring scores. A 1350 from Anacostia and similar means a lot. And it's time to stop punishing smart kids from poor schools. TO has been a disaster for them.

[Anonymous]

My nephews district average SAT was 1010. He got a 1450 and was told for T10 not to use it, but for T20+ to use it.

Crazy…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The average SAT score nationally is 1028. The average ACT score is 19.

There are some states - Texas, Florida, Michigan, Rhode Island, Idaho, Oklahoma, West Virginia, Illinois, Indiana, New Mexico, Colorado, and DC - the lowest - that don't even break a 1000.

But students from those states are being penalized for scoring in the 1300s and 1400s.

Any student from DCPS that scores above 1300 is a hero and a bright kid. And those scores should count in context.

TO has distorted everything. Good for Yale and Dartmouth and MIT for requiring scores. A 1350 from Anacostia and similar means a lot. And it's time to stop punishing smart kids from poor schools. TO has been a disaster for them.

Baltimore City public school parent here. From your mouth to the admission officer's ears!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It will make the average scores schools report go back to a normal level. 1350 will revert to being a very good score. 1200s will revert to being a pretty good score. It’s so skewed right now with ridiculously high average scores since only 1/3 of applicants submit. Of course the schools like to say their average SAT is a 1458 but we all know it’s complete BS. Except the kids, who are mortified they can’t get into that range bc 95%+ of kids don’t. Bring back the testing reqs.

This is only for schools like Tulane, BC, Northeastern etc. T25 schools have had high test scores for decades now.

What are you trying to say? Pre-covid, NEU and BC had some of the highest SAT averages of any college? You make no sense. If TO is done away with, you will see the selective privates (versus the equity-driven publics) scoop up even more of the high SAT test takers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It will make the average scores schools report go back to a normal level. 1350 will revert to being a very good score. 1200s will revert to being a pretty good score. It’s so skewed right now with ridiculously high average scores since only 1/3 of applicants submit. Of course the schools like to say their average SAT is a 1458 but we all know it’s complete BS. Except the kids, who are mortified they can’t get into that range bc 95%+ of kids don’t. Bring back the testing reqs.

This is only for schools like Tulane, BC, Northeastern etc. T25 schools have had high test scores for decades now.

In 2020-2021, before TO

BC 25%-75% SAT
1350-1480

NEU 25%-75%
1430-1540

Tulane 25%-75%
1360-1470

The high SAT average isn't complete BS. The studies and internal data say they SAT's predict college outcome. It is natural for highly selective colleges to use the SAT.

[Anonymous]

So maybe we should be looking at 2019 CDS ranges to decide which schools are in range for our 2025 kids?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So maybe we should be looking at 2019 CDS ranges to decide which schools are in range for our 2025 kids?

Some of us have been arguing that since the inception of test optional policies. The last test-required CDS was the 2020-2021 CDS.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The irony. My senior --5s on all APs, 36 ACT. The year scores don't matter.

I have a sophomore--hope he is a high test scorer too. lol

Things that could help always seem to change after the fact for us.

Think about how those of us from the past two cycles feel, no matter what the public explanation, it’s clear test optional led to the acceptance of kids who were not as qualified as kids with high scores.

That is not true. It's like you're not reading any of the reasoning behind reinstating. In fact, TO biased admissions against those students. You are really obtuse.