Susan Wojcicki’s freshman son at Cal died from a fentanyl od

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Anonymous wrote:We just had Fentanyl death in the family.They were not a drug user at all, but down on their luck for about year and half. Went out drinking, made it home with some drugs and was found few days later. Heart had stopped.
No way did they think that a little bit of drugs could kill them. Not a user, did not even previously know people who could get them the drugs. Looking into their phone would have given them a clue where they went and how they got them. Nobody did that.

So, seller are not being punished as only few customers die. The fentanyl crisis hasn't reached half the people yet.

Very sad. This is why I object to the term overdose thrown at many of these cases. That’s not what really happened.

It's precisely what happened...

Doesn't mean it was intentional, but they overdosed on a substance that killed them. That's an overdose whether they may to do it or not.

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Partying in 2024 isn’t like 2004, 94 or 84 people!

Please tell your kids to only stick to alcohol or pot from reputable sources if they can’t control themselves.

The danger of taking fentanyl has been highly publicized and while It is very sad when anyone dies from taking fentanyl or any drug but they made the stupid choice.

It’s laced into other drugs. If that had been the case back in the 80s, I can’t imagine how many people I know who would have died.

Why do drug dealers lace fentanyl into other drugs? Doesn't that cost more to do it that way?

And it sounds like people are more likely to overdose -- why try to kill off their customers?

Never done drugs before, so no clue about this stuff.

Fentanyl is super cheap & very potent. So drug dealers pass it off as other opioids or lace other drugs with it. I assume they prefer their customers not die, but I guess there are always more customers? I don’t know the answer to that question.

People take Fentanyl on purpose too, not just inadvertently.

Nope

Uh, yes.

Not a thing!

I know people who can tell you otherwise. People definitely intentionally take fentanyl. Are you dim?

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Partying in 2024 isn’t like 2004, 94 or 84 people!

Please tell your kids to only stick to alcohol or pot from reputable sources if they can’t control themselves.

The danger of taking fentanyl has been highly publicized and while It is very sad when anyone dies from taking fentanyl or any drug but they made the stupid choice.

It’s laced into other drugs. If that had been the case back in the 80s, I can’t imagine how many people I know who would have died.

Why do drug dealers lace fentanyl into other drugs? Doesn't that cost more to do it that way?

And it sounds like people are more likely to overdose -- why try to kill off their customers?

Never done drugs before, so no clue about this stuff.

Fentanyl is super cheap & very potent. So drug dealers pass it off as other opioids or lace other drugs with it. I assume they prefer their customers not die, but I guess there are always more customers? I don’t know the answer to that question.

People take Fentanyl on purpose too, not just inadvertently.

Nope

Uh, yes.

Not a thing!

See Prince you dope. Tragic loss of a huge talent, surrounded by "yes" people, who was taking Fent on purpose.

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A couple of years ago, two college students in Ohio died after ingesting what they thought was a study drug (Adderall), but turned out to be laced with fentanyl.

Especially with the ongoing shortages (at pharmacies) of ADHD meds, it’s very important to speak to your kids about the fact that it’s not safe to take anything you did not get from the pharmacy **yourself.**

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Anonymous wrote:Prosecutor here- fentanyl is everywhere. There is so so so much of it. Nothing to do about it but wait for it to run its course like crack. I see so many ruined lives day in and day out. I don't even know if legalization would end the problem. Only venting here because I deal w this situation daily and feel exhausted and hopeless.

Genuine question: do you think harsher penalties for distributing would do anything? Or is the horse too far out of the barn?

Personally I don't think harsher sentences would do anything (unless we're talking un-American penalties, which are out of the question, obviously.) On the flip side, I don't think decriminalization would have a huge impact either (I used to think this was the solution when I was a baby attorney.) Most users are people suffering from addiction, homelessness, mental health issues, and other such deep-rooted, difficult to solve problems. They are ridiculously, painfully young. They are (to my understanding) not at a place where they appreciate/care about the repercussions of their criminal records. Both the sellers and the users need the high. They don't care about the conviction. It's all really very sad. And we keep burning money to do busy work supposedly fighting drugs.

The only thing that’s going to work is a huge societal shift in our attitudes toward drug use. Maybe it starts with Gen Alpha, the current elementary school and younger kids. They’ve never lived at a time when the illegal drug pool wasn’t poisoned by fentanyl/tranq/etc. They’re also too young to have experienced the legal opioids/prescription painkillers > heroin pipeline.

After birth control came about but before the AIDS crisis started, people weren’t engaging in safe sex. Now it’s pretty much a norm to use condoms.

Not really - or else why are so many STDs on the rise?

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Illegal drugs have been around forever and are not the fault of any one political party or presidential administration.

I spent a fair amount of time in the trenches as a prosecutor, and saw close up how drug war funding fuels aggressive policing but doesn’t create any real positive outcomes in the community.

We will never solve the problem of drugs - I’m sure humans have been finding ways to get high since they lived in caves.

We should redirect massive amounts of funding from interdiction to addiction prevention and treatment programs, with a very heavy emphasis on building a much bigger and better capacity for mental health services across the board. Most addicts have trauma and are self medicating. Half of all children experience some kind of violence in childhood. Many of the judgy mcjudgertons on this board who rail against drug use are drinking too much, eating too much, sex addicted, etc. as ways of dealing with their own unresolved MH problems.

We’d accomplish more by building a more compassionate society, but that’s not a winning campaign slogan so of course it won’t fly.

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Partying in 2024 isn’t like 2004, 94 or 84 people!

Please tell your kids to only stick to alcohol or pot from reputable sources if they can’t control themselves.

The danger of taking fentanyl has been highly publicized and while It is very sad when anyone dies from taking fentanyl or any drug but they made the stupid choice.

It’s laced into other drugs. If that had been the case back in the 80s, I can’t imagine how many people I know who would have died.

Why do drug dealers lace fentanyl into other drugs? Doesn't that cost more to do it that way?

And it sounds like people are more likely to overdose -- why try to kill off their customers?

Never done drugs before, so no clue about this stuff.

Opioids are highly addictive. They lace it into seemingly innocuous drugs to increase the addictive effects and keep people coming back. Drug dealers love junkies because they get a consistent stream of income from them unless or until they die, nobody ever said drug dealers were the most intelligent people

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Partying in 2024 isn’t like 2004, 94 or 84 people!

Please tell your kids to only stick to alcohol or pot from reputable sources if they can’t control themselves.

Pot can be laced with fentanyl.

Not from state licensed dispensaries idiot. Unless you also believe your birth control pills, asthma inhalers and antibiotics are also laced with fentanyl?

I don’t. but I believe my cigarettes are laced and boosted with nicotine. Kinda loose with the word idiot being so gullible yourself

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Anonymous wrote:Illegal drugs have been around forever and are not the fault of any one political party or presidential administration.

I spent a fair amount of time in the trenches as a prosecutor, and saw close up how drug war funding fuels aggressive policing but doesn’t create any real positive outcomes in the community.

We will never solve the problem of drugs - I’m sure humans have been finding ways to get high since they lived in caves.

We should redirect massive amounts of funding from interdiction to addiction prevention and treatment programs, with a very heavy emphasis on building a much bigger and better capacity for mental health services across the board. Most addicts have trauma and are self medicating. Half of all children experience some kind of violence in childhood. Many of the judgy mcjudgertons on this board who rail against drug use are drinking too much, eating too much, sex addicted, etc. as ways of dealing with their own unresolved MH problems.

We’d accomplish more by building a more compassionate society, but that’s not a winning campaign slogan so of course it won’t fly.

You can build whatever you want. No one is going to voluntarily commit themselves because "They don't have a problem."

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Partying in 2024 isn’t like 2004, 94 or 84 people!

Please tell your kids to only stick to alcohol or pot from reputable sources if they can’t control themselves.

The danger of taking fentanyl has been highly publicized and while It is very sad when anyone dies from taking fentanyl or any drug but they made the stupid choice.

It’s laced into other drugs. If that had been the case back in the 80s, I can’t imagine how many people I know who would have died.

Why do drug dealers lace fentanyl into other drugs? Doesn't that cost more to do it that way?

And it sounds like people are more likely to overdose -- why try to kill off their customers?

Never done drugs before, so no clue about this stuff.

Opioids are highly addictive. They lace it into seemingly innocuous drugs to increase the addictive effects and keep people coming back. Drug dealers love junkies because they get a consistent stream of income from them unless or until they die, nobody ever said drug dealers were the most intelligent people

I have never heard of a drug dealer having a problem with too much stock.

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Anonymous wrote:Illegal drugs have been around forever and are not the fault of any one political party or presidential administration.

I spent a fair amount of time in the trenches as a prosecutor, and saw close up how drug war funding fuels aggressive policing but doesn’t create any real positive outcomes in the community.

We will never solve the problem of drugs - I’m sure humans have been finding ways to get high since they lived in caves.

We should redirect massive amounts of funding from interdiction to addiction prevention and treatment programs, with a very heavy emphasis on building a much bigger and better capacity for mental health services across the board. Most addicts have trauma and are self medicating. Half of all children experience some kind of violence in childhood. Many of the judgy mcjudgertons on this board who rail against drug use are drinking too much, eating too much, sex addicted, etc. as ways of dealing with their own unresolved MH problems.

We’d accomplish more by building a more compassionate society, but that’s not a winning campaign slogan so of course it won’t fly.

Or, the addicts start with pot and other gateway substances as fun party drugs and progress from there.

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Anonymous wrote:Illegal drugs have been around forever and are not the fault of any one political party or presidential administration.

I spent a fair amount of time in the trenches as a prosecutor, and saw close up how drug war funding fuels aggressive policing but doesn’t create any real positive outcomes in the community.

We will never solve the problem of drugs - I’m sure humans have been finding ways to get high since they lived in caves.

We should redirect massive amounts of funding from interdiction to addiction prevention and treatment programs, with a very heavy emphasis on building a much bigger and better capacity for mental health services across the board. Most addicts have trauma and are self medicating. Half of all children experience some kind of violence in childhood. Many of the judgy mcjudgertons on this board who rail against drug use are drinking too much, eating too much, sex addicted, etc. as ways of dealing with their own unresolved MH problems.

We’d accomplish more by building a more compassionate society, but that’s not a winning campaign slogan so of course it won’t fly.

People need to love themselves in order to love others, and most people struggle with this.

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Anonymous wrote:We just had Fentanyl death in the family.They were not a drug user at all, but down on their luck for about year and half. Went out drinking, made it home with some drugs and was found few days later. Heart had stopped.
No way did they think that a little bit of drugs could kill them. Not a user, did not even previously know people who could get them the drugs. Looking into their phone would have given them a clue where they went and how they got them. Nobody did that.

So, seller are not being punished as only few customers die. The fentanyl crisis hasn't reached half the people yet.

Very sad. This is why I object to the term overdose thrown at many of these cases. That’s not what really happened.

It's precisely what happened...

Doesn't mean it was intentional, but they overdosed on a substance that killed them. That's an overdose whether they may to do it or not.

No an overdose is when you take more than you should (over dose), they took something that was laced with some other substance.

They were poisoned, they didn't overdose.

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Anonymous wrote:Illegal drugs have been around forever and are not the fault of any one political party or presidential administration.

I spent a fair amount of time in the trenches as a prosecutor, and saw close up how drug war funding fuels aggressive policing but doesn’t create any real positive outcomes in the community.

We will never solve the problem of drugs - I’m sure humans have been finding ways to get high since they lived in caves.

We should redirect massive amounts of funding from interdiction to addiction prevention and treatment programs, with a very heavy emphasis on building a much bigger and better capacity for mental health services across the board. Most addicts have trauma and are self medicating. Half of all children experience some kind of violence in childhood. Many of the judgy mcjudgertons on this board who rail against drug use are drinking too much, eating too much, sex addicted, etc. as ways of dealing with their own unresolved MH problems.

We’d accomplish more by building a more compassionate society, but that’s not a winning campaign slogan so of course it won’t fly.

Or, the addicts start with pot and other gateway substances as fun party drugs and progress from there.

Yet that is not actually what happens with opiods especially oxy. My son was prescribed oxy when he was 6 years old. 6 YEARS OLD.

My H was just like the cop in Dopesick... he was like that drug is not safe for kids give him tylenol with codeine.

They were like not it's really, really safe.... it wasn't and people were giving that sh*t to kids.

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My cousin died last week. He started using drugs when he was 14 and was never able to get clean despite rehab after rehab. Over the years he robbed and stole from family members- and then he’d get clean and his parents would try to help. My aunt and uncle went through the wringer with this kid. The last few years his parents felt safest when he was in jail.

My uncle died a few months ago and my cousin seemed to be doing so much better. He had a job, an apartment, and checked in his mom every day. When he didn’t call her for a few days, she knew that he was gone. Despite the years and years of struggle, his parents remained hopeful and the loss is devastating.

It was almost certainly fentanyl that killed him.